[Stig]

If we had more players with his quality and mentality in the last 10 years we would have been a hell of a lot better of.

He's an odd one. I saw the line up on the telly and he was top right, so some sort of inside forward.

I looked away, got my tea, or something and the first time I saw him touch the ball he was cleaning up at left back. He literally plays in every position other than goalkeeper at some point during every match. So many times, he's the spark that creates a chance or a goal, and because he seems to be the person trying to make something happen rather than pass sideways or back, he's bound to give the ball away a lot. But without him we would have a lot less in terms of energy, effort and imagination on the pitch.

His last two finishes have also been absolutely spot on one touch back of the net stuff.

I sometimes wonder if he confuses the team by going from left back to right wing to left midfield to right back but if the others were doing their jobs better, he wouldn't have to.

He leads by example, other than the constant falling over and complaining which drives me mad - but it's part of the package so it's OK

 

[Pickle85]

Hilarious. You sure earned your internet points today.

And Ruben might indeed read this thread...

...he acknowledges his gesticulations - this thread does, too
...he acknowledges his availability and workrate - this thread does, too
...he acknowledges his importance to this team - large majority of this thread does, too, but questions what "the next team" will look like
...same coach also acknowledged a few weeks ago, that he (among others) tends to rush his play and is too vertical - same thing as in this thread

I am wondering whether that victim mentality thing is contagious, the other poster earlier today was under the impression that the majority of the users here want to drop him, now this. I hope there isn't another Bruno thread around here, that fits those descriptions... I guess most of us are looking for meaning in life, but fighting a makebelief fight for reason and justice for a fan favorite against the sheer supremacy of hordes of haters? Thank god for Sir Dave The Stats guy then

Bruno catches more flak than almost every other PL team's best player. He's bizarrely divisive for a player that works so hard for the club, clearly loves the club, and performs so consistently.

May I make a suggestion? If you truly are looking for meaning in life then I would advise against spending quite so much time in the Bruno thread trying to convince people that he's not the player they think. Because that is not where you'll find it.

 

[#07]

Hilarious. You sure earned your internet points today.

And Ruben might indeed read this thread...

...he acknowledges his gesticulations - this thread does, too
...he acknowledges his availability and workrate - this thread does, too
...he acknowledges his importance to this team - large majority of this thread does, too, but questions what "the next team" will look like
...same coach also acknowledged a few weeks ago, that he (among others) tends to rush his play and is too vertical - same thing as in this thread

I am wondering whether that victim mentality thing is contagious, the other poster earlier today was under the impression that the majority of the users here want to drop him, now this. I hope there isn't another Bruno thread around here, that fits those descriptions... I guess most of us are looking for meaning in life, but fighting a makebelief fight for reason and justice for a fan favorite against the sheer supremacy of hordes of haters? Thank god for Sir Dave The Stats guy then

Nobody said your name. If you think that what I said was directed at you then I'd say that speaks for itself.

 

[The United]

Bruno catches more flak than almost every other PL team's best player. He's bizarrely divisive for a player that works so hard for the club, clearly loves the club, and performs so consistently.

May I make a suggestion? If you truly are looking for meaning in life then I would advise against spending quite so much time in the Bruno thread trying to convince people that he's not the player they think. Because that is not where you'll find it.

It is amusing that this is happening to a player who is playing for your team and probably the best player of the team overall for the past 3-4 years. It is not like this is Sancho's or Rashford's or Grealish's thread, for examples.

 

[SungSam7]

I don't want to derail the thread, but of course Son is a Spurs legend.

And Bryan Robson would still have been a United legend if he retired 2 years earlier and didn't win the PL.

Difference in calling Son a legend at a club who don't win things and a club who have a rich history of success.

It wouldn't be uncommon for a lower league club to call a player who was at the club for a season or 2 and be successful a legend.

For example, I'm sure Stocksbridge would call Vardy a legend for them but did he really win much there?

 

[NZT-One]

Bruno catches more flak than almost every other PL team's best player. He's bizarrely divisive for a player that works so hard for the club, clearly loves the club, and performs so consistently.

Wasn't there something about tending our own gardens? ^^

Does he catch more flak? I don't know. I mostly know United and its fanbase, what do you know about Arsenal fans thoughts about Gabriel Jesus or Cities fans about De Bruyne or Forrests about MGW? Nobody questioned his workrate or his love for the club, the criticism is mostly about his style of play and whether the things that come with it, influence other aspects of the teams performance. There is absolutely nothing bizarre about asking or discussing such questions and the odd "we'll never win anything with him as a starter" is just as much a crazy outlier as talk about him being considered a legend.

He'll get overwhelming praise in here, and he gets quite some flak. Thats been the same for Rooney. Or Ronaldo. It isn't anything special at all. The division comes from both sides hyperbole and from something I'd call "hunt for internet points" for the most funny iteration of "I told you so". But thats also not Bruno specific at all.

May I make a suggestion? If you truly are looking for meaning in life then I would advise against spending quite so much time in the Bruno thread trying to convince people that he's not the player they think. Because that is not where you'll find it.

I would spend time in other threads when they are of interest to me. But I couldn't care less about the upteenth iteration of "I think we need a LWB and a striker because we don't do goals" or discussing whether either the players or the formation is at fault for whatever.
And you are right, I am not going to find meaning of life here but I am not the one inventing scenarios of fictional majorities that are against a player to emphasize messages that have no more substance than "I told you so".

Nobody said your name. If you think that what I said was directed at you then I'd say that speaks for itself.

Nice. So you directed it at "the caf" and the one person who reacts to it is wrong because it wasn't directed at him. Got it.

Just out of interest: what is your perception of Brunos general perception in the fan base? Do you also think the majority wants to drop him?

@Pickle85 - I'd be interested in your take of that question as well?

 

[Pickle85]

Wasn't there something about tending our own gardens? ^^

Does he catch more flak? I don't know. I mostly know United and its fanbase, what do you know about Arsenal fans thoughts about Gabriel Jesus or Cities fans about De Bruyne or Forrests about MGW? Nobody questioned his workrate or his love for the club, the criticism is mostly about his style of play and whether the things that come with it, influence other aspects of the teams performance. There is absolutely nothing bizarre about asking or discussing such questions and the odd "we'll never win anything with him as a starter" is just as much a crazy outlier as talk about him being considered a legend.

He'll get overwhelming praise in here, and he gets quite some flak. Thats been the same for Rooney. Or Ronaldo. It isn't anything special at all. The division comes from both sides hyperbole and from something I'd call "hunt for internet points" for the most funny iteration of "I told you so". But thats also not Bruno specific at all.


I would spend time in other threads when they are of interest to me. But I couldn't care less about the upteenth iteration of "I think we need a LWB and a striker because we don't do goals" or discussing whether either the players or the formation is at fault for whatever.
And you are right, I am not going to find meaning of life here but I am not the one inventing scenarios of fictional majorities that are against a player to emphasize messages that have no more substance than "I told you so".

Nice. So you directed it at "the caf" and the one person who reacts to it is wrong because it wasn't directed at him. Got it.

Just out of interest: what is your perception of Brunos general perception in the fan base? Do you also think the majority wants to drop him?

@Pickle85 - I'd be interested in your take of that question as well?

To answer your first question in short, yes, he does catch more flak from his own fans than any other prem club's best player.

Do I think the majority want to drop him? No, I don't. I do think that for whatever reason he attracts a group of bizarrely dedicated detractors who seem almost gleeful when he doesn't have a good game.

 

[Rozay]

Our best performer for a while now.

 

[FerociousCorgis]

Our best performer for a while now.

Not sure you can say that after today when he did absolutely nothing

 

[Scandi Red]

Today he did roughly the same as the rest of team.

Shit, that is.

 

[chris123]

Still not sure Amorim has found a spot in the lineup for him that doesn't feel slightly forced. He'd probably benefit from playing with Mainoo and having them inter-change in possession.

 

[lost7]

Today he did roughly the same as the rest of team.

Shit, that is.

He's much more effective as a 10, don't wanna see him in the middle again.

 

[LeonDion]

Today he did roughly the same as the rest of team.

Shit, that is.

So your MOTM again….shite again.

 

[Amar__]

The difference under Amorim is that he is either easily the best player on the pitch in one game, or really poor throughout the entire game like rest of them. Under Ten Hag he was hot and cold during every game, he would be the best and worst player in the same game. I don't think he still has best position in this formation.

Our best performer for a while now.

He was terrible today, weird comment.

 

[dubplate warrior]

Our best performer for a while now.

He was absolutely awful.

 

[NZT-One]

Our best performer for a while now.

Thats either interesting timing or interesting wording ^^

He was solid today, think Fulham blocked the passes to him so he wasn't as involved as usually. About the same as everybody else in the team not sticking out in a negative way but also not really sticking out in a positive way.

 

[Scandi Red]

Still not sure Amorim has found a spot in the lineup for him that doesn't feel slightly forced.

To be fair, this is true for almost every player in the team. Especially in midfield and attack.

 

[#07]

@NZT-One There's a lot of online chatter about Bruno, some good, some bad. In real life I've never really heard anyone seriously get at Bruno. People moan about his mistakes but Bruno's name is one of the players most often sung by the fans. Both his name chanted to the Rooney riff and the full '...from Sporting like Cristiano...' Only players who are widely loved get that treatment.

Today, wasn't his best game. Can see the logic in playing him deep but I still feel its a spare peg in a round hole. The manager is making a judgement call that others cannot progress the ball and relying on Bruno. Its not an ideal situation. And, frankly, he didn't do a great job of it. Plus, we missed his creativity and impact in the final third.

 

[Fobal]

He needs another offensive player in the mid with a complete opposite style to him: a dribbler with better ball retention and a pass in him.
And also people with big personalities there to actually call him (and calm him) when he goes berzeck, this last thing not easy since he has a big personality and wants to impose. He needs someone to share the reins

 

[chris123]

To be fair, this is true for almost every player in the team. Especially in midfield and attack.

Yeah not denying that. Outside of Amad, I'm not sure anyone of our attacking players look totally comfortable.

 

[Superunknown]

He's such a frustrating player because the ideas are there, as is the mobility. He gets about so much and you can see what he's trying to do. But, his brain and his feet were on completely different wavelengths tonight. That bit where he pointed to where he wanted Garnacho to run and then chipped the ball directly into the Fulham lad was fecking hilarious. Just summed him up tonight.

 

[OverratedOpinion]

He wasn't at his best today and we saw what happens when Bruno isn't at it, we create nothing.

 

[Scandi Red]

So your MOTM again….shite again.

Who are you and why do you keep quoting me when it makes no sense?

 

[Crackers]

He's so inconsistent, it's infuriating. At his best he's a world beater, and at his worst he's a passenger. He's rarely a passenger but getting the best version of him every week is a challenge. It's not made easier by having such an inexperienced midfield around him and shite forwards, but he needs to do better.

 

[criticalanalysis]

Did as well as he could have playing in central midfield. Still quite a few poor passes and choices but at this point, the blame is on the club/Amorim even because we don't have other players of the right profile to play there.

 

[BorisManUtd]

I didn't think he was terrible tonight. He played at CM not AM so can't be as effective from middle of the pitch.

 

[UnitedRepublic]

He wasn't at his best today and we saw what happens when Bruno isn't at it, we create nothing.

He wasn’t at it vs Southampton either hasn’t been at it since the Liverpool game he done well vs Arsenal aswell but since then he’s just proving the point people are making with him.

 

[Fenômeno]

Did I watch a different game today? Any stats on how many times he gave the ball away?

 

[NZT-One]

@NZT-One There's a lot of online chatter about Bruno, some good, some bad. In real life I've never really heard anyone seriously get at Bruno. People moan about his mistakes but Bruno's name is one of the players most often sung by the fans. Both his name chanted to the Rooney riff and the full '...from Sporting like Cristiano...' Only players who are widely loved get that treatment.

Thanks for the reply, this is in line with what my perception is.

Today, wasn't his best game. Can see the logic in playing him deep but I still feel its a spare peg in a round hole. The manager is making a judgement call that others cannot progress the ball and relying on Bruno. Its not an ideal situation. And, frankly, he didn't do a great job of it. Plus, we missed his creativity and impact in the final third.

I agree. The whole game plan is bereft of functionality because a lot of players either aren't suited or don't really understand their roles (yet). It was very clear that it would take time for such a (rather) big shift, but it is rough these days...

 

[Mike Smalling]

Regardless of this performance overall, it's him and Garnacho creating the situation that leads to the goal. Bruno's throughball and Garnacho's dummy and cutback leading to a poor clearance.

 

[LeonDion]

Who are you and why do you keep quoting me when it makes no sense?

I not sure we know each other. It’s internet. You always have Bruno MOTM and POTY. This year reality is Amad. By long way.

 

[lost7]

Did I watch a different game today? Any stats on how many times he gave the ball away?

His passing was shocking today, no doubt about it

 

[Lyng]

His passing was shocking today, no doubt about it

The movement around him was awful apart from Amad.

 

[Scandi Red]

I not sure we know each other. It’s internet. You always have Bruno MOTM and POTY. This year reality is Amad. By long way.

Amad is my current POTY too so I don't know what you're talking about.

 

[klayton88]

Still a net loss. Throw all the stats at me you want. For the majority of games he is a turn over machine. His one man pressing leaving massive gaps in the middle doesn't get spoken about enough either. The best of a really shit bunch sure, but the bar isn't high. Replace in the summer.

 

[afatzp]

I'm tired of hearing the excuse that "Bruno is not in his best today but he still has credit in the bank to spare" . What exactly the game that Bruno was in his best in the last 12 months ? I could not even recall one game that we could dominate the midfield with Bruno "being his best" .

We have been drought for goals for so long and you can't tell me Bruno was not part of the problem . He was the fixed starter in all our games and our attack was just shitter and shitter.

 

[Lyng]

I really dont get the criticism of Bruno after Fulham. He was moved back and had no good movement neither beside him, behind him or in front of him, apart from Amad and Licha. Everyone else was just standing. What do people expect. Bruno to pass and then run there and pick it up himself? When we move Bruno back we need a type like Eriksen in one of the 10s so we constantly have passing options.
If we had Eriksen in the 10 next to Amad yesterday we would have looked much better and Bruno would have been able to do much more.

 

[Isotope]

He's 30 y.o. Lots of people on 22 y.o. Amad's thread excusing that he performs bad because he needs a rest. Not many excusing with that about Bruno here. Strange.

 

[Alan Partridge]

I really dont get the criticism of Bruno after Fulham. He was moved back and had no good movement neither beside him, behind him or in front of him, apart from Amad and Licha. Everyone else was just standing. What do people expect. Bruno to pass and then run there and pick it up himself? When we move Bruno back we need a type like Eriksen in one of the 10s so we constantly have passing options.
If we had Eriksen in the 10 next to Amad yesterday we would have looked much better and Bruno would have been able to do much more.

Exactly. People don’t seem to understand that for good passing to occur it needs to be achieved as a collective.

 

[Escobar]

He runs and and runs and works very hard. I have a lot of respect for that, of only the others would follow his example.
I also noticed that he's less wasteful on the ball, so things are improving