[frostbite]

Our Captain Marvel of this era.

Unfortunately, he is wasting his best years. At least, he is making good money...

 

[Bondi77]

Simple thing is is that his good points outweigh his bad points and he has been our best player since the day he came to our club.

 

[Shaw's Shank Redemption]

He's like the De Gea in our midfield.

Saves our arse nearly every game even if he's occasionly prone to his own mistakes.

 

[LARulz]

He's like the De Gea in our midfield.

Saves our arse nearly every game even if he's occasionly prone to his own mistakes.

And people will still say he is the problem. We will get rid of him earlier than needed and get a donkey in midfield and wonder what happened

 

[Pickle85]

Excellent, brilliant, "he deserves better than us"... After a game we very narrowly not lost to fecking Everton, where he made a goal, created a goal for the opposition and came close to setting up a scene that led to a penality against United in the dying minutes of the game. A game we had the first shot on target after a set piece in the 70th minute and created a grand total of 0.65 xG...But I guess, thats all his team mates fault, while he is one of the best players on the fecking planet

This thread gets more and more challenging

Almost every single match report rating I've seen puts him as the joint best/outright best player on the pitch yesterday. You can argue about 'man of the match awards are subjective to pundits' etc but when almost everyone is saying the same thing and you're yet again saying something different (beating your usual anti-Bruno drum) your bias becomes clear.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...but-toffees-rue-late-penalty-being-overturned

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...arebar&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sharebar

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/ma...ugarte/bltb27712c64065c884#csad5d13cdff791b63

https://www.givemesport.com/everton-manchester-united-player-ratings-match-highlights-2025/

 

[frostbite]

Almost every single match report rating I've seen puts him as the joint best/outright best player on the pitch yesterday. You can argue about 'man of the match awards are subjective to pundits' etc but when almost everyone is saying the same thing and you're yet again saying something different (beating your usual anti-Bruno drum) your bias becomes clear.

https://www.standard.co.uk/sport/fo...es-hero-anthony-martial-struggles-b55094.html

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...arebar&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sharebar

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/ma...ugarte/bltb27712c64065c884#csad5d13cdff791b63

https://www.givemesport.com/everton-manchester-united-player-ratings-match-highlights-2025/

And not only for this match. For most of our games.

 

[M16Red]

Excellent, brilliant, "he deserves better than us"... After a game we very narrowly not lost to fecking Everton, where he made a goal, created a goal for the opposition and came close to setting up a scene that led to a penality against United in the dying minutes of the game. A game we had the first shot on target after a set piece in the 70th minute and created a grand total of 0.65 xG...But I guess, thats all his team mates fault, while he is one of the best players on the fecking planet

This thread gets more and more challenging

Believe me there are fan (match going fans) that see him in the way I see him and I think you see him.

Lost count how many times I had a disagreement with a fellow Utd fan in a pub over Michael Carrick, even Ronaldo

He's a terrible captain in my eyes. For your leader give away 30 passes.

 

[noelyman]

So you're discounting Bruno's change of role in our improvement? Just a coincidence then? See this post is absolutely typical of this thread...anything good the side do (and Bruno catalyzes) isn't due to him being good but to something else

Yes exactly this. You even heard from Moyes after the game when asked to explain why they couldn’t keep up the first half performance he said ‘Bruno dropping into midfield was the difference and changed the game’.

But the Bruno haters can’t accept this

 

[afatzp]

Bruno is the go-to man for our attack and played almost every minute. You can't on one hand saying our attack is shit while on the other says Bruno is immune to the blame.

The truth is Bruno can't play front 3 as he lack of strength and pace , can't play No. 10 as he can't dribble in tight space , can't play No. 8 as his defense positioning is close to none and can't string any cohesion play to keep ball possession. He just insist to play through balls , long or short whenever he touches the balls , lost 9 out of 10 times and got praised for the 1 time. he makes himself the monopoly of creative passes because he always chooses to make one even when it's premature , then lose the balls and the whole team needs to recover the balls for his mistakes , rinse and repeat .

You might get tricked by his statistics and thought he is the only source of creativity and silver lining in our terrible attack play. If you really watch full games , game after game, you can tell Bruno is the problem , and maybe even the main problem.

If Amorim can't see it or has no gut to change it, then he should go too. Dalot same case is the problem , a lesser one but Amorim right now also shows no gut to drop Dalot whatsoever.

 

[HookedOnAPhelan]

He was fecking shite for most of the game, again.

 

[afatzp]

by the way, Bruno is a shit captain. In his realm, morale is more often than not very low , he has no aura or leadership to get the team together to fight for results. Sometime he was even the first one losing temper and discipline and led a terrible example for the team. Like to whine on field , like to exaggerate and create a scene. I don't see how we can build a winning team with Bruno as the core pillar.

 

[Pickle85]

Bruno is the go-to man for our attack and played almost every minute. You can't on one hand saying our attack is shit while on the other says Bruno is immune to the blame.

The truth is Bruno can't play front 3 as he lack of strength and pace , can't play No. 10 as he can't dribble in tight space , can't play No. 8 as his defense positioning is close to none and can't string any cohesion play to keep ball possession. He just insist to play through balls , long or short whenever he touches the balls , lost 9 out of 10 times and got praised for the 1 time. he makes himself the monopoly of creative passes because he always chooses to make one even when it's premature , then lose the balls and the whole team needs to recover the balls for his mistakes , rinse and repeat .

You might get tricked by his statistics and thought he is the only source of creativity and silver lining in our terrible attack play. If you really watch full games , game after game, you can tell Bruno is the problem , and maybe even the main problem.

If Amorim can't see it or has no gut to change it, then he should go too. Dalot same case is the problem , a lesser one but Amorim right now also shows no gut to drop Dalot whatsoever.

"Don't believe the facts..." "If you don't agree you obviously don't watch games..."

Yawn.

He was fecking shite for most of the game, again.

Poor first half, good second. Man of the match and yet again the only United player that looked like creating anything.

 

[C'Thun]

Why are you using goals as your key AM metric and ignoring assists, all the while also excluding pens? Could it possibly be because you have a preset opinion that you're scrambling around for facts to back up? What did you make of the fact the commentary team quoted pre game that he' the only player who has created 50+ chances and has made 50+ tackles this season in Europe top five leagues?

Why shouldn't that be one of the key metrics for an attacking midfielder? I could include assists as well, but I'm not sure that is going to support your case. He has 6 assists in the Premier League this season. That is not very good. I would actually say it is quite poor when he is meant to be one of the best attacking midfielders in the world, the captain of our team and a key player at a good age. You could blame poor finishing, if it wasn't for his assists matching his number of big chances created. The reason I exclude penalties is because I want to look at their goal scoring ability from open play. If Højlund was our penalty taker and scores 17 penalties and 3 from open play, I'm not going to say he had a good season and is a great goal scorer. You have attacking midfielders like Cunha scoring 13 from open play, Palmer with 11, Maddison with 9, Foden with 7, Rogers with 6, and then you have Bruno that scored 3. I don't think that's acceptable for one of the best paid players in the league who happens to be a captain and a key player in our team.
Regarding the pre-game quote by the commentator, I'm not entirely sure how that information is very useful in regards to his performances. If the attacking midfielder for our team gets more praise for his tackles than anything else, then I know we're in trouble. Random stats are put out there for us every game by the commentators, and it is cherry picked to say the least. I could also put out another cherry picked stat that Mikkel Damsgaard is the only player in the top 5 leagues that has 10+ assists and 50+ tackles which is more impressive, but still isn't a very useful stat.

"Pre-set opinion?" I have an opinion on our players. I thought he was excellent for us before, now I don't think he is good enough. Why is that not something you can accept that some fans feel? You're having a go at many posters in here that criticise him, including a moderator.

 

[Idxomer]

Yes exactly this. You even heard from Moyes after the game when asked to explain why they couldn’t keep up the first half performance he said ‘Bruno dropping into midfield was the difference and changed the game’.

But the Bruno haters can’t accept this

Bruno was in the midfield on the ball building up further back than Casemiro right before Everton's two goals. They couldn't play with the same intensity in the 2nd half and retreaded back, which made it easier for Bruno to move the ball without losing as he did in the first half. That was mainly after his goal and lasted about 18 minutes. When they moved up the pitch in the last 5 minutes, Bruno played a first-time pass without controlling the ball first to an Everton player on the edge of the penalty area which resulted in an attack that should've lost United the game.

 

[Pickle85]

Bruno was in the midfield on the ball building up further back than Casemiro right before Everton's two goals. They couldn't play with the same intensity in the 2nd half and retreaded back, which made it easier for Bruno to move the ball without losing as he did in the first half. That was mainly after his goal and lasted about 18 minutes. When they moved up the pitch in the last 5 minutes, Bruno played a first-time pass without controlling the ball first to an Everton player on the edge of the penalty area which resulted in an attack that should've lost United the game.

So are you saying that Bruno didn't change positions from first half to second? Because that's just nonsense. Every single match report (and Moyes himself) flagged Bruno moving into a less advanced role as the thing that changed the game. This is something that's being noted EVERYWHERE. Refusal to acknowledge it, or a need to attribute it to the opposition, is an agenda on your part.

 

[Pickle85]

Why shouldn't that be one of the key metrics for an attacking midfielder? I could include assists as well, but I'm not sure that is going to support your case. He has 6 assists in the Premier League this season. That is not very good. I would actually say it is quite poor when he is meant to be one of the best attacking midfielders in the world, the captain of our team and a key player at a good age. You could blame poor finishing, if it wasn't for his assists matching his number of big chances created. The reason I exclude penalties is because I want to look at their goal scoring ability from open play. If Højlund was our penalty taker and scores 17 penalties and 3 from open play, I'm not going to say he had a good season and is a great goal scorer. You have attacking midfielders like Cunha scoring 13 from open play, Palmer with 11, Maddison with 9, Foden with 7, Rogers with 6, and then you have Bruno that scored 3. I don't think that's acceptable for one of the best paid players in the league who happens to be a captain and a key player in our team.
Regarding the pre-game quote by the commentator, I'm not entirely sure how that information is very useful in regards to his performances. If the attacking midfielder for our team gets more praise for his tackles than anything else, then I know we're in trouble. Random stats are put out there for us every game by the commentators, and it is cherry picked to say the least. I could also put out another cherry picked stat that Mikkel Damsgaard is the only player in the top 5 leagues that has 10+ assists and 50+ tackles which is more impressive, but still isn't a very useful stat.

"Pre-set opinion?" I have an opinion on our players. I thought he was excellent for us before, now I don't think he is good enough. Why is that not something you can accept that some fans feel? You're having a go at many posters in here that criticise him, including a moderator.

6 is pretty good in terms of assists, considering how toothless we are in front of goal. It's top ten in the PL for reference. I agree that you can't necessarily blame poor finishing but you CAN blame an entirely dysfunctional attacking unit that struggles to get into threatening positions entirely. And yes, our AM having a lot of tackles IS a worry and a sad indictment on the team but most certainly not the player. As for why I'm 'having a go', it's because he's regularly our best player and has been for years yet attracts enormous amounts of flak despite this.

 

[NZT-One]

Almost every single match report rating I've seen puts him as the joint best/outright best player on the pitch yesterday. You can argue about 'man of the match awards are subjective to pundits' etc but when almost everyone is saying the same thing and you're yet again saying something different (beating your usual anti-Bruno drum) your bias becomes clear.

https://www.skysports.com/football/...but-toffees-rue-late-penalty-being-overturned

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...arebar&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=sharebar

https://www.goal.com/en-gb/lists/ma...ugarte/bltb27712c64065c884#csad5d13cdff791b63

https://www.givemesport.com/everton-manchester-united-player-ratings-match-highlights-2025/

Mate, I see that and acknowledge that. Let me try with a simple analogy: you are at school in a class with 30 other pupils and you write a suprise history exam. Everybody was caught by suprise, nobody is well prepared and the questions are well shit. 29 of your classmates get a straight F, you get an E. So in your class after this test, you'll be pupil of the test, the best pupil in the topic of history.

Pundits have to chose a Man of the Match. I've seen a game. It wasn't a good one. Look, if it means something to you, I'll happily say that Bruno wasn't the worst player on the pitch, in fact, he might have been one of the better ones. As in the analogy. You got an E, that doesn't mean, you are good in history, even if you were better than all your classmates. Thats my point, some of you are so selfabsorbed by his individual numbers or things like MotM awards that you seem to forget being the best of a bad bunch doesn't necessarily mean, you are objectively good. I am the last one to deny Bruno credit when he has a good game, I still remember his performance against Liverpool that season, this was a really good performance from him. But nobody can deny, that he didn't just influenced yesterdays game positively, again, he created an opposition goal and he almost created a scene where we concede a penalty in the late minutes of the match. Yes, he scored a direct freekick so I'll happily confirm, that he had a mixed performance but to label that as brilliant, excellent or whatever, is completely bonkers to me.

Yes exactly this. You even heard from Moyes after the game when asked to explain why they couldn’t keep up the first half performance he said ‘Bruno dropping into midfield was the difference and changed the game’.

But the Bruno haters can’t accept this

But Bruno dropped when we scored the freekick. Which is when Everton dropped back. Only that allowed to play Bruno there. I don't want to deny him, that having a capable passer in midfield is something, this team needs. But if you think, all it took was to drag Bruno a little deeper, you are naive. Don't you think, Ruben would have come to this conclusion before the fecking 70th minute?

Bruno is the go-to man for our attack and played almost every minute. You can't on one hand saying our attack is shit while on the other says Bruno is immune to the blame.

The truth is Bruno can't play front 3 as he lack of strength and pace , can't play No. 10 as he can't dribble in tight space , can't play No. 8 as his defense positioning is close to none and can't string any cohesion play to keep ball possession. He just insist to play through balls , long or short whenever he touches the balls , lost 9 out of 10 times and got praised for the 1 time. he makes himself the monopoly of creative passes because he always chooses to make one even when it's premature , then lose the balls and the whole team needs to recover the balls for his mistakes , rinse and repeat .

You might get tricked by his statistics and thought he is the only source of creativity and silver lining in our terrible attack play. If you really watch full games , game after game, you can tell Bruno is the problem , and maybe even the main problem.

If Amorim can't see it or has no gut to change it, then he should go too. Dalot same case is the problem , a lesser one but Amorim right now also shows no gut to drop Dalot whatsoever.

No single player is THE problem in my eyes. Many players have problematic tendencies that make it difficult to give them a role on the pitch. As you say, Bruno has some very useful traits for a few positions but he also has weaknesses that create risks when deployed there.

So are you saying that Bruno didn't change positions from first half to second? Because that's just nonsense. Every single match report (and Moyes himself) flagged Bruno moving into a less advanced role as the thing that changed the game. This is something that's being noted EVERYWHERE. Refusal to acknowledge it, or a need to attribute it to the opposition, is an agenda on your part.

Everton dropped back after they conceded the freekick. Only that gave us more space on the pitch, only that allowed Bruno to take some time on the ball. He made use of that time and space which showed, how necessary a capable passer in midfield is, but after all, our team still didn't create anything of note. Even for the time period you think we were better we scored a direct freekick in the 2nd attempt and from another setpiece by a low xG attempt by Ugarte. Our overall xG was 0.65. This IS not good and indicates, that while our possession increased, that wasn't because we finally broke down Everton but rather were allowed more time and space. Everton themselves wasn't playing great throughout the match so them becoming nervous was understandable. But they were one moment away from taking 3 points here, after a completely wayward action by Bruno in extra time.

It is fine to be happy with Brunos performance yesterday. But it sounds as if you simply don't acknowledge that his actions yesterday also had clear negative consequences for us.

 

[NZT-One]

6 is pretty good in terms of assists, considering how toothless we are in front of goal. It's top ten in the PL for reference. I agree that you can't necessarily blame poor finishing but you CAN blame an entirely dysfunctional attacking unit that struggles to get into threatening positions entirely. And yes, our AM having a lot of tackles IS a worry and a sad indictment on the team but most certainly not the player. As for why I'm 'having a go', it's because he's regularly our best player and has been for years yet attracts enormous amounts of flak despite this.

Because being "our best player" doesn't mean much given that the team goes from bad to worse. Nobody should say that this is just down to Bruno but he is part of a team that is so dysfunctional. As I said, yesterday is the perfect game to embody him, both sides of the room will feel confirmed: his fans will celebrate his MotM and his freekick, his opponents will point to giving away the ball for fun which directly led to a goal conceded and almost to a penalty conceded. It is beyond pointless to not acknowledge both sides of the story.

 

[Marwood]

by the way, Bruno is a shit captain. In his realm, morale is more often than not very low , he has no aura or leadership to get the team together to fight for results. Sometime he was even the first one losing temper and discipline and led a terrible example for the team. Like to whine on field , like to exaggerate and create a scene. I don't see how we can build a winning team with Bruno as the core pillar.

Especially with all those other brilliant captains we have ready to take his place right?

 

[lost7]

Because being "our best player" doesn't mean much given that the team goes from bad to worse. Nobody should say that this is just down to Bruno but he is part of a team that is so dysfunctional. As I said, yesterday is the perfect game to embody him, both sides of the room will feel confirmed: his fans will celebrate his MotM and his freekick, his opponents will point to giving away the ball for fun which directly led to a goal conceded and almost to a penalty conceded. It is beyond pointless to not acknowledge both sides of the story.

Agreed, he's been here for so long that at this point the conversation gets stale. There's those who just never see faults with him, blindly praising all his amazing stats and then there's those who underplay all the good he does for the team. Truth is somewhere in the middle, he's our best player right now and so not one of our primary problems at the moment, but the truth is we likely will never win any major trophies with him as our main player because he has too many flaws. I would really try to move him on this summer if a good offer came, that money could be then reinvested towards players that suit Amorim's system better.

He is a great servant to the club though and will definitely be remembered fondly, one of our bright lights in these dark years for sure

 

[Pogue Mahone]

6 is pretty good in terms of assists, considering how toothless we are in front of goal. It's top ten in the PL for reference. I agree that you can't necessarily blame poor finishing but you CAN blame an entirely dysfunctional attacking unit that struggles to get into threatening positions entirely. And yes, our AM having a lot of tackles IS a worry and a sad indictment on the team but most certainly not the player. As for why I'm 'having a go', it's because he's regularly our best player and has been for years yet attracts enormous amounts of flak despite this.

I don’t know how you have the energy. The absolute state of this thread. I peek in every now and then , get tempted to correct some of the absolute drivel being posted, then lose the will to live. Fair play to you. I’m tapping out.

 

[Robbie Boy]

He's actually been relatively ok recently.

 

[Schmeichels pinky]

Pros:
Wonderful player when on it
High work rate and never gives up
Sympathetic character and captain off the pitch

Cons:
Too many mistakes for his position
Doesn’t dictate the tempo of the game
Occasional hot head and whiney on the pitch

Conclusion:
Our best player. He’s saved us countless times, he’s loyal to the club and deserves praise for his time here. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have Eriksen’s football intelligence and decision making ability which is so important for especially possession based teams.
So there it is. Both things can be true at the same time: He’s our best player, but we should buy someone better.

 

[cirilus]

Pros:
Wonderful player when on it
High work rate and never gives up
Sympathetic character and captain off the pitch

Cons:
Too many mistakes for his position
Doesn’t dictate the tempo of the game
Occasional hot head and whiney on the pitch

Conclusion:
Our best player. He’s saved us countless times, he’s loyal to the club and deserves praise for his time here. Unfortunately, he doesn’t have Eriksen’s football intelligence and decision making ability which is so important for especially possession based teams.
So there it is. Both things can be true at the same time: He’s our best player, but we should buy someone better.

100%, deserved a bit more from the club.

Has his own things, but the problem is the level of the rest of the team.

 

[LeonDion]

I don’t know how you have the energy. The absolute state of this thread. I peek in every now and then , get tempted to correct some of the absolute drivel being posted, then lose the will to live. Fair play to you. I’m tapping out.

Wonder your thoughts on his passes led to Everton goals yesterday? The one led to penalty…You happy with that

 

[LeonDion]

Keep reading that he always drags us out of touble.

He’s been here five years…Can’t remember too many of these dragging us big moments. Even week to week….weve lost many games one or two nil. Bruno scores free kick, first in years and suddenly he does this every week.

Nonsense. He doesn’t even play well and is an utter liability with the ball in own half.