Context also matters. Some players have just arrived so it's hard to already feel sorry for them. Some players are still young and have plenty of time. Some players (Casemiro and Varane) are already well-decorated. Sure, some players are none of these things, but they also haven't shown half the passion and effort. For me that makes it a whole lot easier to sympathise with Bruno, even if he raises his arms a lot in frustration.
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Context also matters. Some players have just arrived so it's hard to already feel sorry for them. Some players are still young and have plenty of time. Some players (Casemiro and Varane) are already well-decorated. Sure, some players are none of these things, but they also haven't shown half the passion and effort. For me that makes it a whole lot easier to sympathise with Bruno, even if he raises his arms a lot in frustration.
Speaking of effort the commentators the other night were saying that he has run further than every other player in the Premier League, bar none.
I wonder how far up that table the rest of our team are?
I'm not surprised by that.
| Rank | Player | Mins | Km | per 90 |
1 | Bruno | 990 | 126,24 | 11,47636364 |
75 | Dalot | 834 | 96,9 | 10,45683453 |
98 | Rashford | 847 | 90,39 | 9,604604486 |
124 | Casemiro | 649 | 81,22 | 11,26317411 |
137 | Eriksen | 566 | 77,47 | 12,31855124 |
144 | Lindelof | 676 | 74,67 | 9,941272189 |
153 | Højlund | 572 | 71,94 | 11,31923077 |
192 | McTom | 428 | 58,93 | 12,39182243 |
212 | Evans | 449 | 51,61 | 10,34498886 |
214 | AWB | 431 | 51,42 | 10,73735499 |
221 | Antony | 470 | 49,89 | 9,553404255 |
255 | Mount | 351 | 42,62 | 10,92820513 |
256 | Onana | 990 | 42,54 | 3,867272727 |
260 | Maguire | 386 | 41,93 | 9,77642487 |
273 | Martinez | 377 | 40,07 | 9,565782493 |
275 | Garnacho | 333 | 40,06 | 10,82702703 |
277 | Amrabat | 313 | 39,58 | 11,38083067 |
281 | Varane | 330 | 37,46 | 10,21636364 |
315 | Martial | 232 | 27,22 | 10,55948276 |
342 | Reguilon | 181 | 20,89 | 10,38729282 |
343 | Shaw | 180 | 20,1 | 10,05 |
357 | Hannibal | 116 | 17,26 | 13,39137931 |
359 | Pellistri | 111 | 16,81 | 13,62972973 |
392 | Sancho | 76 | 11,8 | 13,97368421 |
462 | VDB | 2 | 0,88 | 39,6 |
Clearly saving VDB for when we need some LEGS.
Who said Bruno was the ONLY player accountable….Once again you make up absolute shite….I asked you to back up the accusation before and you’ve not and you continue to make stuff up. Disgraceful.
As for Bruno’s part in the goal, having played to a good standard as a winger…I’d have been crucified for letting the runner run off me like Bruno did here. He’s looking at the danger, doesn’t sprint and ends up miles further away from the player who crossed the ball back to the goal scorer. He’s got to do more especially in the context of 2-0, close to half-time, just down to 10 men, he’s the captain. Which elements of my point here do you disagree with? Scroll through the images to see my point.
Are you surprised he runs less per 90 minutes than Eriksen and McTominay?
Considering that he plays significantly more minutes, always starts and primarily operates in the no.10 and RW positions: no.
Central midfielders should always run more. Especially if they come on as subs or feature infrequently.
I am!
Especially McT. Mad he can run so far and touch the ball so little. The Eriksen data is also a surprise. But does help explain why he runs out of gas so quickly.
The Sancho stat is the maddest of all in that table. What game was that in?
I guess for Eriksen he covers a lot of mileage trying to find somewhere he's just too far away to put the tackle in.
When Antony first came I had his work rate and tackling back as a big plus, but he doesn't seem to be doing that as much now. I don't know if I was just wrong or maybe it's dropped a lot over time, either way I'd prefer someone that does more.
When Antony first came I had his work rate and tackling back as a big plus, but he doesn't seem to be doing that as much now. I don't know if I was just wrong or maybe it's dropped a lot over time, either way I'd prefer someone that does more.
You've just done exactly what you're crying about. Thrown out a baseless accusation, been called out on it (fourth or fifth time by me alone) and then you just focus on something else. Throw enough shit at the wall and something is sure to stick.
So as someone who played at a good standard as a winger in a 4-2-3, with 10 men, where our back 6 (7 with Garnacho) play compact and try to force play to the side of the pitch, your manager would have crucified you for not picking up the AM? Your images don't show Garnacho being late to get out to the wide player, Dalot not doing anything of value, Eriksen being wrong side, McTominay picking up the AM who provided the assist before dropping him a half second before your photos, you show just the two seconds before the assist is made. You've basically done what VAR does and isolated an image to 3 frames to paint a narrative. Finally, this is gold... 'He's the captain' - so you do hold him to a different standard than everybody else? Got it.
Accept you've been rumbled, take the L and move on. Bruno will likely have a long ball intercepted tomorrow so you can continue the crusade.
Appearances as a substitute against Wolves (22 mins), Spurs (24 mins) and Forest (30 mins).
Ah. Ok. So sprinting around as a sub. That will inlays his overall distance alright.
Yeah that will do it.
What makes Bruno's stats so crazy is the fact that he has played more than 90 minutes in every single PL game this season. I'm not sure if he's even been subbed off?
Can't fathom how this thread is so busy when none of the attack had anything to do with the goals we conceded or were in any way the problem. We scored 3, were absolutely cruising at 2-0, until a bullshit red card, a bullshit handball, another bullshit decision not to give Copenhagen a red for a blatant elbow, and an absolutely calamitous defence.
Before blaming the attackers, how many times did the ball pass the halfway line in the second half? Even when we had control for the first 10 minutes and were on the ball, how many times did the defence make a pass that was actually intuitive and not backwards.
Maybe it is likely Bruno's fault. We are so heavily reliant on him that people expect him to be the whole team. Or at least the ones with freezing temperature IQ seem to think he's responsible for the performances of the other 10 players on the pitch and singlehandedly destroys the team structure.
In the current team, I can't be bothered to judge a player who runs himself dead and whose effort far exceeds every other player on the pitch and absolutely makes the difference when it matters. That, given the way everything is at the moment, you can trust a player to have a key moment no matter how badly the game is going, is something I would take right now over pretty passes.
I swear, some of you are really delusional enough to think if you replace Bruno with De Bruyne, Odegaard or even Modric, that we'd magically be a better team. We've just had the World's best Defensive Midfielder at the time join us and completely fall apart during the course of last season. Our entire backline is missing or out of form, we have a makeshift midfield, an underperforming attack and no consistency in selection.
I'm really not sure what some of you expect, other than divine intervention.
Before blaming the attackers, how many times did the ball pass the halfway line in the second half? Even when we had control for the first 10 minutes and were on the ball, how many times did the defence make a pass that was actually intuitive and not backwards.
Maybe it is likely Bruno's fault. We are so heavily reliant on him that people expect him to be the whole team. Or at least the ones with freezing temperature IQ seem to think he's responsible for the performances of the other 10 players on the pitch and singlehandedly destroys the team structure.
In the current team, I can't be bothered to judge a player who runs himself dead and whose effort far exceeds every other player on the pitch and absolutely makes the difference when it matters. That, given the way everything is at the moment, you can trust a player to have a key moment no matter how badly the game is going, is something I would take right now over pretty passes.
I swear, some of you are really delusional enough to think if you replace Bruno with De Bruyne, Odegaard or even Modric, that we'd magically be a better team. We've just had the World's best Defensive Midfielder at the time join us and completely fall apart during the course of last season. Our entire backline is missing or out of form, we have a makeshift midfield, an underperforming attack and no consistency in selection.
I'm really not sure what some of you expect, other than divine intervention.
I did it manually, but the data is from Sky Sports.
If you're new to this thread: welcome! And sorry. If not, I can give you a rundown of how literally every single post-match reaction looks like:
Bruno had a mediocre or bad game: 5 pages with over the top whining.
Bruno had a good game: a handful of positive comments followed by 3 times as many "yeah, but he was shit last week".
Well, I don't know, maybe because he didn't do shit after Rashford got sent off and we were playing against fecking Copenhagen? He's the captain ffs. It's not his fault alone, of course, but performances like these against opposition like this should absolutely be criticised.
Surely you see the stupidity in losing the ball 22 times during a match against a mediocre side when you agree we have a calamitous defence?
Look at this manchild. Imagine being 50+ years old and acting like this on an internet forum because someone doesn't share your opinion.
Guys calm down, this thread is tragic enough already.
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It’s a thread about an attacker, so fair enough to discuss the attack in that context. Although you’re dead right, in no way should our attack be blamed for the result.
Apparently in the 12 previous games vs English opposition Copenhagen didn’t score a single goal. Yet they scored 4 against us
What is the point of this? This is the third time you're just looking to start an argument over nothing. The last time you even agreed with what was the point, but you just had to add a pointless comment that brings nothing to the discussion. Wise up.
@Pogue Mahone : Before I forget the page this is the one: https://www.skysports.com/football/...ominik-szoboszlai-among-table-topping-workers
Shows a lot of stats that most of the regular stat pages don't register.
Shows a lot of stats that most of the regular stat pages don't register.
Thanks a mill.
Both of you missed the regular Statman Dave tweet and the people following such postings with "all critics are crazy, how dare you"
I mean, if we look at per 90 stats, our most hardworking player would be Sancho
1. Sancho
2. Pellistri
3. Hannibal
4. McTom
5. Eriksen
Excluding Shaw and VDB for obvious reasons our bottom 5 of covering the least amount of ground is 3 CBs, Rashford and Antony
I never want to hear anyone say Rashford or Antony "give their all or put in a shift" ever again, if you're almost covering and pressing as much as CBs that's a huge problem....
This is amazing, thank you!
These stats can be misrepresented. Sancho IS the hardest worker based on per 90 minute calculation!Excluding Shaw and VDB for obvious reasons our bottom 5 of covering the least amount of ground is 3 CBs, Rashford and Antony
I never want to hear anyone say Rashford or Antony "give their all or put in a shift" ever again, if you're almost covering and pressing as much as CBs that's a huge problem....
Eriksen and McTominay among the ones cover the most ground per 90 minute, yet they can be very much invisible in certain phase of play.
Our issue is clear: our midfield is a void, so if the opposition breaking through, you can't expect your attacker to make full steam sprint to trying to catch up and help the defense. Where as some one like Eriksen, McTominay who jog up and down the pitch chasing after play can make up good distance cover stats.
I don't really know what's going on here, seems to be some Tifo style debate about numbers and data that don't really come to any decent conclusion.
I still like Bruno. One of the few I still see give effort, and one of the few I like to watch playing. There isn't much to like these days. I'm not a fan of the flak. There's a plethora of awful players to blame, I don't feel that he's one of them.
I still like Bruno. One of the few I still see give effort, and one of the few I like to watch playing. There isn't much to like these days. I'm not a fan of the flak. There's a plethora of awful players to blame, I don't feel that he's one of them.
Sorry but again..can you clarify this baseless accusation and the 4/5 others specifically that you’ve called out? It’s all well and good you keep posting things that undermine people as long as you back them up so that they have the right to reply.
Just with regards to the post you replied to…what is the baseless accusation? That I asked ‘who said Bruno was the only player accountable’? What did I move on to?
Rumbled?I’ll give you my take on the goal when I run it back.
Garnacho is dissected by the ball and sprints to get to the wide player once the pass is made.
Eriksen is tracking his runner into the box and ends up in a good position.
McT fills the space that both their 9&7 are looking to attack around the penalty spot, causing the 9 to change his run. He also ends up in a good position defensively in the box.
Maguire and Varane remain close together as a partnership covering the side the cross comes from. Both keep a good shape.
AWB tracks his man and maintains a good shape.
How anyone can watch that goal and blame any of those players is beyond me but I’m open to suggestions.
Two players in this goal do absolutely nothing and it’s costly.
Dalot.
should have gone out to block the cross. He just keeps a pretty beige position and allows the cross to come in. He’s a diabolical player. Terrible
Bruno.
Watches a player freely run into the box into space at the back post. He starts five yards from the player, watches as he changes his run after McT goes to cover behind the two CBs to go to the back post, and does absolutely nothing. Just let’s him go.
That’s my take. As I said I’m open to other opinions particularly with regards to Bruno’s role and why h did the right thing because I just don’t see it.
A good summary of how important Bruno is for us and how badly we need the other creative players to share the burden. Warning. Contains stats that may break the brains of the most prolific posters in this thread.
"Break brains", "Idiots" and "Twats". Yeah, you really are showing the better side of yourself that you were saying you were going to do. People like you who think you are better than others are the worst.
You truly are the only unlikeable person I've interacted with on this forum. Genuinely nauseating human being.
So I’m basing my assesment of a player on 4 touches per game is what seems to be suggested.
Good article albeit the bit about Højlund not putting away the chances Bruno creates for him is nonsensical, given the fact that Bruno, at least before the Copenhagen game, didn't create any chances for Højlund at all.
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