Yeah agree with that.
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Yeah agree with that.
The annoying thing is it’s not like he’s the only creative midfielder that can’t dribble. Lampard could barely dribble except for shot fakes but was so intelligent and had the strength to hold off challenges. Same with Mata at Chelsea he wasn’t the fastest, strongest or best at 1 on 1s but again he used his intelligence to open teams up and circulate the ball.
Bruno has as the lowest football intelligence you’ll see from an Attacking midfielder/No.10 that you’re likely to see at a top club. It’s a position where you need a feel for the game but also to settled everyone else down. Captain chaos with his hot potato football is the exact opposite.
You look at the qualities the likes of Maddison, Paqueta and Eze have in possession and Bruno doesn’t even have that. Yet some dared to put him in conversations with KDB. Laughable
Bruno has as the lowest football intelligence you’ll see from an Attacking midfielder/No.10 that you’re likely to see at a top club. It’s a position where you need a feel for the game but also to settled everyone else down. Captain chaos with his hot potato football is the exact opposite.
You look at the qualities the likes of Maddison, Paqueta and Eze have in possession and Bruno doesn’t even have that. Yet some dared to put him in conversations with KDB. Laughable
Agree, but supposedly, when you have Antony, Rashford, Mount, Eriksen, potentially Garnacho and Shaw in your team, you should create more chances than that. I agree that this is on the coach to find a better system to let them express their football, but I think that with a better twist on the tactics, we should be better.
Think ETH is to stubborn, and should revert back to his low block of last season when we beat Arsenal or City at home, with both Eriksen and Bruno finding spaces, Casemiro deeper and having less the ball, with Rashford, Hojlund, Garnacho running at the spaces. The team is a bit unbalanced between high block and counter (where we are better at countering)
We don't score penaltys anymore, we don't score direct free kicks, we don't score on set pieces, we are absolutely slow and short technically against low blocks, so Bruno has to improve yes
He needs to go and fulfill his ambitions elsewhere. It cant be easy gearing up for games under these circumstances. Mediocrity all around him.
Ffs
imagine feeling sorry for this guyNot a single top team that could win anything wants him. The best he is going to win, he has already won. League Cup.
Where? For Portugal he is surrounded with quality and he is dominant in the games that matter.
This argument pisses me off because it’s putting an individual on a pedestal. Maybe he should not be centre stage and let’s see what happens after a season.
You honestly need to watch the game again. I did this morning. Rashford played very well. 100% deserves to start. He even helped out his fullback adequately. They created feck all down our left while he was on the pitch. Different story after he was subbed off. Which doesn’t really fit with your notion that Garnacho makes us more defensively solid.
Bruno didn’t play well, apart from a 15-20 minute spell after half time. So could be justifiably dropped for underperforming. However, Ambrabat was even worse than Bruno last night and was horrible defensively. For the second game in a row. Dropping Bruno so Ambrabat can shore up our defence seems a little mad to me. As does talk of picking a team where anyone gets dropped for underperforming but Casemiro still starts.
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Bruno's issue for me is he tries to do too much, he's got almost no positional discipline which leads to the chaos. Modern football is all about the entire 11, if he's gallivanting off out of position, our midfield gets swarmed and he's also knackered because he's covering too much ground.
Let's take Bruno, Odegaard, Maddison - three players who play the same role and look at their heatmaps from this season, one of them - no prizes for guessing who - is popping up everywhere on the pitch whereas the other two have a clearly defined area they operate in and then will be lightly involved elsewhere with almost no touches whatsoever on the opposite defensive side to them.
https://www.sofascore.com/player/james-maddison/356398
https://www.sofascore.com/player/martin-odegaard/547410
https://www.sofascore.com/player/bruno-fernandes/288205
If you are a 10 and you favour a side of the pitch, that is where you want to be spending the bulk of your time - when Bruno is on the right and involved in shorter or more creative passing, we make chances - AWB's assist for the goal versus Wolves and assist vs Forest with the knocked down header and he's a direct goal threat himself for longer balls: run that got their player the red vs Forest & goal vs Burnley.
He needs to be somehow forced to simply play his role and not try and do everything else, I get he's a bit of a hot head and maybe making him captain was a bad move but it's better for the team as a whole and it's where he is most dangerous.
Put someone calm at DM on their own, Amrabat is probably the only option as Case has caught the howitzer ball illness. Let Mount play 8 and make Bruno play that role and only that role or he gets dropped.
The difference between those heat maps is surely because Bruno has been playing in multiple different formations and positions so far this season while the other two haven’t?
This has been going on for 3 years, he has not been an excellant servant. Bar a run of fluky penalties everything that is happening now was happening 3 years ago. You just decided to ignore the clear signs that we downgraded the club into a permanent EL level team by giving him the keys and making him into our main star.
Go back and watch us against Istanbul Basaksehir in 2020 when they beat us and I posted a video of him then giving the ball away around 35 times. 3 years later nothing has changed. If we judge him objectively by performances he has been a flop.
weak leadership and weak on the field, low footballing IQ, constant moaning at teammates for his own mistakes and a awful midfielder with no fundamentals . He is a criminal that fooled you all and needs to be kicked out of the club as soon as possible.
Might give it a go. Rashford I thought did well in the 1st but 2nd was bad, but yeah rewatching always gives a clearer view. Maybe I'm being too harsh on him for the 1 chance (but generally I'd like to see him on the right with Garnacho left).
The reason for casemiro and amrabat is because they are our only 2 DMs. I think we have a massive problem with our build up. We're asking too much of casemiro, and Varane really. Varane especially shouldn't be asked to be this big build up guy. Casemiro is the entire link on how to progress it up field. He's also got so much space to cover as we are committing 5 players forwards all the time. And when we're low on confidence, they're all taking heavy touches, slightly off with passing and leading to way too much open space defensively. Plugging that with Amrabat halves how much Casemiro has to cover, and gives him a 2nd deep option so they can always build up a bit more easily. Puts more ownice on the attackers to make things work without overly committing numbers though. But it's a starting point. Can't put Bruno deep, wouldn't put Eriksen there as he can't cover any ground, mount I wouldn't use there either.
Amrabat was shit defensively but again, he's not a left back. He's supposed to be the answer to our midfield issues but ten hag is trying to get him to cover left back and move into midfield at the same time. It's not working and way too easy to target and expose. But he is a deep midfielder naturally, he'll pick up those positions organically and he'll help Casemiro out. We can't drop casemiro for just amrabat as he'd be exposed, and we can't keep playing Casemiro alone there, so we gotta put both in. Bruno just shouldn't be in the discussion with them for that position IMO. We need a double pivot right now to address the 2 goals per game we are (deservedly) conceding. And we have only 2 players (plus Mainoo when fit) who are capable of playing there, or also Eriksen on the ball at least, but he's a 0 off the ball.
What position has he played differently other than the one I referenced in the post?
Ffs
Not a single top team that could win anything wants him. The best he is going to win, he has already won. League Cup.
Now there's a rubbish comment if there ever was one.
So far this season? A better question is in which game has he played as a 10?
He’s already been used in a midfield diamond, on the right of a 4231 and as part of a midfield three.
Doesn't need much to piss you off then.
Its not putting him on a pedestal. For him to step back, others need to step. But we dont have players who can do that. He's our best player by far and the club doesn't seem able to recruit players to take the club forward. He's 29 now and it's logical to think he has 3-4 good years left. If he wants to win stuff he needs to move cause this club isn't competing for anything.
I can see your logic but it feels like we’re fiddling while Rome burns. The much bigger issue is how we find a long term, much more disciplined and fitter version of Casemiro.
Well for the time being I think the only way to get Casemiro's level up is to help him out. If he doesn't have the legs to cover all the space he needs to for Ten Hags systems, then there's no use in playing this system. So we need someone else in there to help out until we can address the issue in the transfer window if that's needed. The only 2 who can help out Casemiro in there are Mainoo or Amrabat.
It's kind of just a basic, simple solution and honestly, it's what has to be done IMO. Whether Bruno or Rashford are the ones that get dropped as a consequence is almost irrelevant to that. I just don't see a solution to our team issues without putting a double pivot in. Keep Bruno as the 10 and keep Rashford on the left or put him right, whatever. But it's still a far more balanced side if we have Amrabat and Casemiro behind a #10, whether it's Bruno or Mount, and then 2 wingers and a striker.
The current tactics are asking amrabat to be a false left back and roam to midfield and split the centerbacks constantly. The second someone has a brain fart (which happens a lot in our team right now), players are all over the place and can't react. Main step now is just stopping the rot, plugging the holes, building confidence. That comes from playing more simply to build confidence. Maybe later we can try to be more innovative when we have players back or in form
We cannot play both Bruno and Mason. Both are attacking midfielders so it means we need 2 additional midfielders and therefore we are 1 forward short.
Sounds mental to say this considering he has 66 goals in 194 games for us but I wish he was more composed in front of goal. Always seems to waste a good chance or two, e.g., the cross that Hojlund put in for him.
I've always thought he wasn't as bad on the right as people have said but I'd like to see him playing more regularly in the centre. Although where that leaves Mount is another issue.
I've always thought he wasn't as bad on the right as people have said but I'd like to see him playing more regularly in the centre. Although where that leaves Mount is another issue.
Captain or not, his performances of late and behaviour on the pitch deserves a bit of time on the bench.
Literally every game bar the diamond (even though he was still bloody high playing off shoulder, hence the goal). Do you not think he plays 10?
never really been a huge fan of him tbh. The "stats" can say all they want, just never thought hed be the type of player in a system that most of us want to see implemented.
As I said, our formation and tactics has been all over the place this season. I don’t see how you could claim he’s playing as a straightforward 10 in any match where Mount starts, that’s for sure. Last season when we had Casemiro and Eriksen both playing deep, maybe. This season we seem to be making changes to our midfield in almost every game we’ve played.
To you, he might be our best player but I don’t subscribe. How do you justify Bruno is a better footballer than Shaw, Martinez, Varane or even Casemiro when they are all better decision makers and better in pressured situations. His decision making is like a child amongst grown ups and allowed to play with no positional restrictions or adherence to tactical dictates.
These arguments based on defecating on the rest of his team mates, that have been a part of more successful teams to excuse his underperformance is a falsehood constantly used in his support.
Let’s not confuse form and ability. Ability has limitations and there is a limit to his ability, let’s stop arguing his form as ability.
I don't really get what point you are trying to make? Bruno has never been a straightforward 10, that is literally most fan's issue with him along with his erratic passing. You post on here regularly, there's no way you haven't seen every man and his dog refer to him as a 10. I'm pointing out his positioning is erratic and providing proof, the fact he'd played on the right of a diamond makes it even weirder that his heatmap is so broad, it should be more concentrated on the right if anything.
I'm specifically talking about this season so far. Where our formation and personnel has been changing more or less game by game. There's no continuity at all and ETH obviously sees Bruno as one of our more versatile players as he's the one most likely to be moved around whenever we change our approach. That is the only point I'm making here. It obviously makes a comparison of his heat map over the season so far with Odegaard/Maddison inherently misleading.
Hehe... good one...
Justify it.
He had no composure. He's a sunny day player. Second the chips are down he becomes a liability.
Happy to lose him in the window
Happy to lose him in the window
I mean, did you even watch the match last night? Because to make that claim, after that match...
How did you narrow down my statement to one match(last night)?
I didn't. I'm just surprised you can't seem to remember back that far. It being the most recent example of something I would have thought was pretty obvious.
But this hasn't happened so what you're saying seems very weak? I'm all ears if you can find me a game he's not played in the role he's basically always played for us, as a 10, with the exception of Burnley (which as I have already said makes it even weirder his heat map is all over the place because it was on the right of a diamond).
You are flailing.
Is that so? Please tell me which teams out of Barcelona, Bayern München, Real Madrid or City would take Bruno Fernandes.
They wouldn't. Also each of those teams has a better version of an attacking midfielder already (And I'm just going to roll my eyes at anyone that brings up his stupid stats for the 1000th time)
For years we have lacked composure in big moments/higher pressure situations. No he's not the only reason for it, but as the "main man" he doesn't help with that one fecking bit with his hero ball garbage that becomes more and more evident the harder we press for a goal.
Feels like the chickens are finally coming home to roost though in terms of his awful general play catching up to us. You simply can't expect to be a consistent top side with a midfielder that only plays well in various moments of a game. Sure that might come out to an assist or a goal, but a midfielders job first and foremost is to provide a stable platform and connection from defense to attack both on and off the ball. Whereas Bruno seems to get a pass like a penalty box striker would where he can be awful but bag a goal and people say he did his job. I've hated the acceptance of it for years, along with the indulgence from every manager we've had.
Just fyi, there isn't much of a point in that kind of argument. Because nobody can answer this question. Lets just stick to what happens on the pitch, there is enough to warrant criticism, no need to add imaginary stuff on top. This sort of comparison is bullshit to begin with, we can't argue against BS statman dave tweets only to fall back and use make-belief arguments.
Even if there are a few fans of him and Rashford, the majority of the posters have picked up their shortcomings for now. And at least for Rashford, it looked like somebody talked to him before the match yesterday. Lets hope somebody does Bruno the same favor.
Good point. It really isn't that much of an argument, I just found it weird how my initial post was a rubbish comment as if it's wrong. His general playstyle doesn't fit with the mentioned teams way of playing, so he wouldn't even be considered.
Maybe they'll talk to Bruno about it, but I have strong doubts that he would improve. Maybe lose possession less, but also create less, which is a problem in itself as he doesn't have many other qualities to be a great midfielder.
On current form he doesn't really stand out. The team isn't creating enough chances for sure, but this is also an issue with the team setup that has been designed to give Bruno a free role. That seems somehow restricted now with Mount in the team and for that reason only one of them should be playing.
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