Ffs how much crack did you huff this morning. He stroked his face at the most. There was no way he was genuinely hurt by it
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Varane would make a better captain. The only person who urged the players to appreciate the fans after that eyesore. Bruno is too emotional and gets lost in everything. A trait clearly seen in people who haven't won much. Any sensible captain could tell at 3 or 4 nil down that it wasn't our day. Everything was going Liverpool's way and I mean everything. Duels, poor shots, corners, everything..the only sensible thing was to abandon the original plan and risk the managers ire and make 2 banks of four and defend for their lives and keep the scoreline forgettable. A matured captain should have been able to do that but now it's a scoreline for the ages.
There was a sequence where one of our players going for the ball and "hitting" Robertson on the outside of the arm. Robertson fell down holding his face. There was diving all over places from Liverpool players, most Salah and we don't see any uproar from media. I wonder why? We all know. Fernandes had at least reason to hold his face.
Well if they fell on the floor holding their face when no one touched them then that's embarrassing too but make no mistake Bruno had no reason to be holding his face. Any attempt to claim he did is just pathetic
I prefer crack after dinner actually. Did you watch the close up? He got an obvious bang on the point of his chin. None of us know how hard the bang was. It’s almost always impossible to tell from video footage. We’ve seen plenty of times where what looks like a heavy blow get’s barely noticed and other occasions where what looks like gentle waft of an arm draws blood.
I’m not trying to argue that he was concussed. Just that he got a bang on his chin. Which is a fact. As per the video evidence. Did he make a meal of getting a bang on the chin? Probably. That’s what a lot of footballers do. Last week we saw Harry Kane go down like he’d broken his leg after tackle ended up with him being hit on the shin by the football. I’m not a fan of antics like that but that’s the way (almost all) modern footballers play the game.
He's been well and truly battered from every single angle today.
I think one thing we've learned over the last few years is to not go overboard with this kind of stuff. There's a valid discussion obviously, but some of the remarks, threats and insults on social media are bang out of order.
Ultimately like anything, there's a human there too.
If we cannot approach this as a collective mess yesterday, we're being disingenuous as a fanbase imo. He wears the armband, but every single leader out there failed to perform to a minimum standard. Bruno was absolutely a disgrace but I don't think it needs to go further than that and we should acknowledge the fact that the manager will be dealing with them all in-house as we speak.
I think one thing we've learned over the last few years is to not go overboard with this kind of stuff. There's a valid discussion obviously, but some of the remarks, threats and insults on social media are bang out of order.
Ultimately like anything, there's a human there too.
If we cannot approach this as a collective mess yesterday, we're being disingenuous as a fanbase imo. He wears the armband, but every single leader out there failed to perform to a minimum standard. Bruno was absolutely a disgrace but I don't think it needs to go further than that and we should acknowledge the fact that the manager will be dealing with them all in-house as we speak.
Every player is embarrassing if you would compare to NHL or NFL players who pretty much never complain even if they break bones. So why go for Fernandes when you can pretty much take everyone in the football. The fact is that he got hit in the face. He didn't need to hold his face but it doesn't make situation any different. He got hit.
Abuse is never warranted. But he is the captain of United. And that warrants extra scrutiny IMO. He has to do better. His attitude was unacceptable.
It's one game people, I will choose to focus on how he's lead us through this fantastic season so far.
Prob from Maguires agent.
Or totally made up to click bait United fans like The United Stand.
Far too emotional of a player to rely on to be captain. Make Rafa or David captain
Prob from Maguires agent.
Or totally made up to click bait United fans like The United Stand.
Most likely made up.
However Bruno needs dropped for a few games
Well my point still stands. He is hurried in possession in his delivery etc. A little bit of composure will go a long way.
I agree with that.
I dunno. I feel like Roy and Bruno are lightyears apart in terms of mentality and leadership qualities. But that's probably because Keane was 1 in a billion in terms of mentality.
He definitely needs some rest, for his own good if anything. It's healthy to play that much football for his brain.
The lad has been ran into the fecking ground this season. It doesn't help this weird obsession that ETH suddenly has to play him out wide to accommodate Weghorst. I'd understand if Wout was a good player but he should always be the last option for the first 11. Sancho or Garnacho on the left against Liverpool was the obvious choice and having Bruno play at 10. Hell even play Sabitzer as the extra midfielder if that's what you feel you need. Its really the only complaint I have with ETH at the moment and I hope we don't have to wait for Martial to be fit to end this Wout experiment. Bruno is understandably frustrated.
The guy who runs that organisation is a Liverpool supporter. This whole Bruno witch-hunt is pure balls.
Guess who Martin Cassidy supports:
https://soccafederation.com/first-11-part-two-get-to-know-martin-cassidy/
An absolute joke.
Jesus this is embarassing
That's a bit of a bullshit take on it Pogue. Fans unable to think for themselves? I thought he dived at the time, I was in physical pain watching that debacle and the sight of our captain rolling around, gesturing, batching, doing feck all to address the hemorrhaging of goals made me want to punch him. Now I'm OK today and everything is in perspective but I get the general displeasure.
A very sensible post.
feck this point scoring amongst posters is tedious. I’m a fan of Bruno, and think he’s done well this year. However, yesterday was almost unforgivably bad, and I think he should be held accountable for it.
I don’t rate him but he is not a bad captain for this group. The whole team was bested and the worst of him just got noticed.
I get the general displeasure with his antics throughout the game. It’s a horrible approach to playing football. Although, to be clear, he does the same shit in games where he plays well and we win. Without attracting a fraction of the the outrage from our fans.
That particular incident bugged me because the commentators created a blatantly false narrative. That he was pretending to be hit in the face without any contact (which, coincidentally, Robertson really did do at one point in the game) Despite footage which showed very clear contact between arm and face.
Anyhoo. What’s done is done. It’s a minor incident in the scheme of game full of far, far worse moments from a United perspective.
Yeah. Until Bruno intentionally seriously injures some opposition player, then later openly admits it and as a result gets banned so he is not available as captain and player for his team for a longer period, I am not accepting him as captain.
Seriously, of course he is not Keane and it would be completely unfair to expect this from him, but Keane more than once lost his cool, got sent off, started on pitch fights with opposition players where his teammates had to hold him back, etc. People need to stop with all the overreaction.
A team needs several leaders and when things are not going well it is not just the responsibility of the guy wearing the armband to do something, but a joint responsibility of all the senior players/leaders.
I genuinely don’t even remember all the captains we had or who was captain when under SAF after Keane left. And it was never an issue, as several players felt responsible for things happening on the pitch.
What is embarrassing is all of people going on witch-hunt. Fernandes is no worse than any other player in this country.
People need to look who he supports. SImple. Then ask themself if he ever said anything about Klopp behaviour every game against referees. No more comments needed.
Once again, those pundits who are our former players targeted our current persons in such a harsh manner, just like what they did to Michael Carrick and McKenna to force their exit last season.
I am so disappointed about them and some people here.
I am so disappointed about them and some people here.
Poor comparison, Keane didnt give the ball away half his career or flop all over the pitch
No?
Carrick and McKenna's positions were untenable as soon as Ole was sacked. Just like all assistant coaches are when the manager is fired.
One final note on Bruno from me: yes he was garbage yesterday and yes his antics feigning injury were pathetic (but he's hardly alone there) and yes the play where gave up after getting beaten by Bajcetic was also ridiculous, but this notion that he asked to be subbed off based on the flimsiest of video evidence is ridiculous, and Gary Neville (and anyone here stupidly parroting such a notion) should be ashamed of himself for pushing that narrative.
Indeed!
Thought I had entered Keane/Neville performance thread. Exaggerating injury, arguing all the time, losing temper, no composure when behind, standing there and giving up, any of them alone may not be necessarily a poor quality, but altogether they make the last candidate you want as a captain. You wouldn't need commentators to tell you these and they don't just happen in this single game. I don't see the point diverting the discussion to the pundits.
It’s good and well saying he needs to be dropped, but who are you playing in the no.10 position instead of him. Please don’t say Sancho who has only had a cameo role there. Weghorst is not the solution either. When he has played there, it’s still been Bruno who has been our main play maker from the right wing.
If we drop bruno, we are dragging ourselves down into a fight to stay in the top 4. Regardless of how erratic his performances are we aren’t blessed with the luxury of being able to just drop him without it having a huge impact on our productivity.
it’s not diverting the discussion; it’s pointing out that Neville has created a false narrative that some United fans have inexplicably latched onto. By all means, have a go at Bruno for all the reasons you mentioned, and then we can debate to what extent we agree, but for anybody here to say that he asked to be subbed off (a very serious accusation) based on video evidence that makes the JFK footage look conclusive is patently ridiculous.
Bruno hasnt played in the number 10 position himself for months.
The Hagster prefers Weghorst there.
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