That he's a shit captain and a petulant primadona.
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That he's a shit captain and a petulant primadona.
I think dropping Fernandes depends on who it is that's replacing him. If United are in the market for a 10 then it should be one who cycles possession well in phases of play a little bit like Odegaard who doesn't have standout stats but is fundamental to the genuine performances of this Arsenal midfield. Maybe Wirtz pre injury but I still feel that in order for this team to better the performances Fernandes eventually is going to have to adapt his game or be dropped.
It's all good putting up with unforced errors in what is a weakened league this year (especially the top 8) but in the UCL beyond qualifying rounds the opposition will punish you for these sorts of lapses. For me Fernandes and Fred have a ceiling in terms of what they bring to the phases of play. United need to invest heavily in this area along with a striker in the summer. There's a perception creeping in that these current crop of players are apart of the transition but many of them need replacing.
What point are you trying to make about Bruno here? Just say it rather than beating about the bush. Do you just want him dropping or actually selling?
Are they all? Or maybe this is just an opportunity a few have been waiting for all season to make sure they are heard.
Timing might not be right but not being a fan of Bruno is not tied to supporting Pogba.
I can also sense, some here just feel let down by a player they have been backing since he got here.
Either way it’s an unfair statement.
Never thought of it this way, what was the linesman thinking?
Edit tweet not showing but the lineman is man handling Bruno first. Are they allowed to do that?
Edit tweet not showing but the lineman is man handling Bruno first. Are they allowed to do that?
Tweets are broken for me
I want him out of the captaincy equation, and I want enough competition in the squad so we dont start him in every game in 4 competitions next season. Especially the big away games where he is inevitably terrible.
Right now I'd say he's our best option on the right, if only because he can actually put a decent ball in the box. I'm pretty sure ETH has already decided he's not reliable enough in midfield. Are we playing Weghorst in number 10 because he's better for the role than Bruno, or because we have so little talent on the wings that Bruno is needed out there every game. Hard to say.
And naturally I also want him to stop acting like a petulant baby when things dont go his way.
I don't like this massive pile on an individual when every single player was responsible yesterday.
What’s mad is how many people need this footage to see the bleeding obvious. You could see that he got a belt in the mouth from the very first replay. Yet the pundits (and fans unable to think for themselves/use their eyes) got caught up in a fiction about the contact being on his chest.
Now nobody has any idea how much that actually hurt and he’s such a drama queen it’s easy to assume he wasn’t hurt at all. Whatever, he clearly got a smack from a flailing arm and should have been awarded a free. Instead we have our own fans doubling down on a false narrative, slagging off one of our players. Go figure.
Who is this Pogba person you are referring to?
If he stays captain or not I have no idea but fully understand why he got it this year over Maguire. Changing that again now would do more harm to the dressing room than good.
In terms of wanting more competition and an improved squad I don’t think you’ll find anyone that disagrees with you? Even Ten Hag will want more quality options and the opportunity to not have to play him every single game. We are 7 months in to a rebuild job though (I think many are forgetting this given the positive work done this season compared to the end of the last). The things we all want aren’t going to happen overnight.
Not sure I agree with fans turning against players just because they are impatient in the process.
We’ve been spoilt this season up to now and it seems guilty of setting the bar too high too early. Many have lost all sense of realism as to where we really are as a club and what we need in the future.
The disagreement is whether Bruno is someone we build the future team around. Clearly the right route is not to. We cant build a team to mitigate all of Bruno's many weaknesses if we ever want to compete at the top again.
If we have an ideal summer window, Bruno will end up fighting it out with Antony to start on the right. Only because we've wasted too much on Antony to move on from him after 1 season.
Posting Tweets is not working in the caf.
I mean 7 months in and we are competing aren’t we? What’s to say that can’t continue with Bruno given so far we’ve been more than competitive so early in the rebuild?
I think what you're saying is right but it's one of those things that still ranks pretty low for where we're currently at. Wout Weghorst still currently starts every game for us, for example.
I think if we choose to move away from a midfield including Fernandes, we should be looking to shift the balance of how our current midfield operates anyway. I wouldn't be looking for another 10 but two numbers 8s - that's how most teams have had success in European competition in recent years. De Jong would be a good start.
Here we go 
We're competing relative to last season. We're still miles off a convincing title tilt.
Anyway, I'm almost certain ETH has already ruled Bruno out as a central player in his plans. And we're seeing the evidence of that in every game now even with Eriksen injured, Casemiro suspended, Fred knackered and Weghorst a championship striker.
And if he's not playing centrally then the team can't be built around him. I'm fine with him starting next season as first choice on the right wing, and with more options he'll get properly rotated.
Those players should look at themselves first.
I very much doubt ETH will give the captaincy to anyone other than Bruno if Maguire leaves.
But if he does then hopefully Case and Varane will share it.
I will break my laptop screen if he gives it to DdG.
I very much doubt ETH will give the captaincy to anyone other than Bruno if Maguire leaves.
But if he does then hopefully Case and Varane will share it.
I will break my laptop screen if he gives it to DdG.
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It's funny actually. Hard to think of a squad over the years with so few convicning candidates for captaincy. At one point recently, I was thinking maybe Luke Shaw then yesterday happened.
McT would probably be perfect, if he wasn't so shit at football.
Lisandro Martinez probably the pick of a bad bunch but he seems a bit too maverick.
McT would probably be perfect, if he wasn't so shit at football.
Lisandro Martinez probably the pick of a bad bunch but he seems a bit too maverick.
The anti Bruno briefing is actually sad. Shows how brittle the team spirit actually is (as if the regular battering by Liverpool doesn't!)
First sign of trouble and the old journalists who got leaks from last season are back. Probably getting stuff from exactly the same players.
First sign of trouble and the old journalists who got leaks from last season are back. Probably getting stuff from exactly the same players.
Cas or Varane for me (Captain and Vice Captain would be perfect) if it happens
Indeed I can agree with this, the 8s give more control to the midfield. It's mentioned very little on here but when you watch the game over 90 mins Eriksens injury has been detrimental to the controlling of possession. Just his presence alone keeps the opposition occupied due to his passing ability which creates spaces between the lines.
I don't have the statistics but from the eye test I'm confident that when Eriksen was playing the team was playing further up the field and just that dynamic alone is a big benefactor. I think De Jong and another midfielder allows this team go up levels. The upcoming window is perhaps the most important in recent years for the direction and progression of the team.
Thanks for that. Hmm, I don't know about De Gea. He is too meek for me.Here we go
Casemiro kind of makes sense, but also kind of doesn't. I like Varane and I do think he can be a leader at the back, but his legs can't be trusted to stay fit for a full season.
We’re competing relative to this season surely? We aren’t as far away from the top of the league as we thought we’d be in the summer.
Any of Varane, Martinez and Casemiro for me. I would choose Casemiro or Varane as they are organisers already and don't really lose their heads.
Looks like he needs a rest, unfortunate to have Eriksen injured
I look at someone like Odegaard captaining arsenal. The martinelli goal that got pulled back at old trafford, odegaard's reaction was basically like " come on, you dont know what youre doing" but he puts it behind him, and went back to his job. There was no indication that he was going to let it affect his mentality. As soon as bruno gets annoyed and complaining about every decision, It means there's a high chance of us losing. Our recent upturn in form and results has meant we havent had to discuss his petulance in a while, but i'm not surprised at all the way he acted when things weren't going his way.
For all the talent he has, he is honestly my least favourite united player of all time. He tries to con referees, get other players booked, feigns injury and throws his toys out the pram. He's also what I class as a "cheating presser" in that he runs to close the ball down and it looks like he's busting a gut but really he's just getting out of position if we get countered on. You can take goals and assists away from a player and still have attributes that make people like them, but with bruno, once the output diminishes, theres nothing to enjoy. Not befitting of the badge, In my honest opinion.
For all the talent he has, he is honestly my least favourite united player of all time. He tries to con referees, get other players booked, feigns injury and throws his toys out the pram. He's also what I class as a "cheating presser" in that he runs to close the ball down and it looks like he's busting a gut but really he's just getting out of position if we get countered on. You can take goals and assists away from a player and still have attributes that make people like them, but with bruno, once the output diminishes, theres nothing to enjoy. Not befitting of the badge, In my honest opinion.
We need to separate the issue of Captaincy from performance. In terms of performance Bruno is having a generally good season, although some parts of his game can be frustrating, and he tends to lose the ball unnecessarily sometimes, but if you're going to compare him with everyone else, he's been one of the better ones. He works his socks off which is probably why ETH likes him, but if I'm being honest, I don't feel that he'd walk into any top team at the moment, and that should tell you something.
In terms of being a captain, he's a very poor one, and it's one of those decisions that could prove to be costly for ETH. His attitude is generally terrible, always visibly frustrated and throwing his arms around. Yesterday everyone was terrible but the captain should never have the worst attitude on the pitch. Even some of his post match comments look really stupid, like when he out of nowhere mentioned Garnacho's attitude after he had a good game. The leaks today that some of the players don't like him as a captain come as no surprise, and we can't allow this to be a divisive issue within the team.
Maguire for all his flaws has always acted in a decent manner, but just lacked leadership. Bruno has neither the attitude nor the leadership skills.
He needs to be dropped for a couple of games to get his head straight and maybe some rest.
In terms of being a captain, he's a very poor one, and it's one of those decisions that could prove to be costly for ETH. His attitude is generally terrible, always visibly frustrated and throwing his arms around. Yesterday everyone was terrible but the captain should never have the worst attitude on the pitch. Even some of his post match comments look really stupid, like when he out of nowhere mentioned Garnacho's attitude after he had a good game. The leaks today that some of the players don't like him as a captain come as no surprise, and we can't allow this to be a divisive issue within the team.
Maguire for all his flaws has always acted in a decent manner, but just lacked leadership. Bruno has neither the attitude nor the leadership skills.
He needs to be dropped for a couple of games to get his head straight and maybe some rest.
Imagine having Ronaldo and Bruno last sunday.
He wasn't directly respons
Our captain should be someone who is well liked by the whole squad and/or someone who is respected due to their achievements in the game and professionalism.
I struggle to believe Bruno is that we'll liked given his behaviour and constant finger pointing. Nor he has amassed amazing achievements in the game.
I find it concerning that someone like garnacho might see him as a role model and become a little bitch like him.
Agreed.
Our captain should be someone who is well liked by the whole squad and/or someone who is respected due to their achievements in the game and professionalism.
I struggle to believe Bruno is that we'll liked given his behaviour and constant finger pointing. Nor he has amassed amazing achievements in the game.
I find it concerning that someone like garnacho might see him as a role model and become a little bitch like him.
It all started from Neville being a muppet in commentary suggesting he dived and it was nowhere near his face. Whatever is relayed in commentary is what tends to spill over into post match debates by fans online. It’s the same nonsense that’s being discussed today about Bruno wanting to supposedly be subbed off because of Neville’s incredible hawk eye sight which was way off.
I’ve got no issue with players being criticised when they are terrible and when the criticism is due. But to start nonsense which has no validity is just ridiculous.
This witch-hunt on Fernandes is so pathetic. Lies and made up stories to discredit him. People should be ashamed.
Nothing more needs to be said.
Nothing more needs to be said.
I think people really just need to calm the feck down a bit. Ten Hag isn't going to strip Bruno of the (technically vice) captaincy off the back of one match, and nor should he.
We all know that Bruno is temperamental. When things are going well, that spirit typically endears him to the fans. When we get a pasting like we did yesterday, it just looks petulant.
Unless there's something I've missed, the "incidents" yesterday are being grossly over exaggerated. That push on the assistant referee is the softest shite I've ever seen, and the asissant referee is also the one who initiates the contact. And in the video where Bruno "rages about not being subbed off", I'd say:
1. There's about as much "rage" in a field mouse as there was in that clip. He looked mildly irritated at most.
2. It's not at all obvious that he was even annoyed about not being substituted. He could've been frustrated at how long the game was taking to get started again, or just generally pissed off at how badly beaten we were getting.
I understand that people are angry about yesterday, but Bruno has done more than enough to have some credit in the bank for me.
We all know that Bruno is temperamental. When things are going well, that spirit typically endears him to the fans. When we get a pasting like we did yesterday, it just looks petulant.
Unless there's something I've missed, the "incidents" yesterday are being grossly over exaggerated. That push on the assistant referee is the softest shite I've ever seen, and the asissant referee is also the one who initiates the contact. And in the video where Bruno "rages about not being subbed off", I'd say:
1. There's about as much "rage" in a field mouse as there was in that clip. He looked mildly irritated at most.
2. It's not at all obvious that he was even annoyed about not being substituted. He could've been frustrated at how long the game was taking to get started again, or just generally pissed off at how badly beaten we were getting.
I understand that people are angry about yesterday, but Bruno has done more than enough to have some credit in the bank for me.
You really think that counts as being smacked in the face?
Yes, obviously.
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