[Isotope]

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Crazy that he's played 79 games in the 11 months between the football restart last June and the Europa League final. Add in 3-7 games games for the Euros and he'll have played close 85 games in that period. For a guy as hard working as him, that's fecked. Also it's crazy how he's managed to avoid injuries (or play through them). Whatever the case, it's clear to me that we need to rotate him a bit more to keep him sharper, but generally he's undoubtedly a world class player for me. He's one of the most creative players in world football, he gets involved all the time, he scores loads of goals and of course the best penalty taker around. But take away his pens and he'd still be ridiculously productive (before people say it's only because of penalties without realizing he'd still have 15 goals for the season).

I get it, he has some sloppy passes now and then and his pass accuracy is in the low-mid 70's... but he more than makes up for a few misplaced passes per game with his on the ball impact, his productivity, and his work rate.

I love how people in here have been saying without his productivity he wouldn't be anything special. Ok so without his goals and assists? What would Ronaldo be without goals and assists? Messi? If you pretend like he missed his chances and his team mates missed the chances he set up for them and just look at underlying stats, he still blows it out of the park. Per 90 minutes, compared to all attacking midfielders and wingers in the big 5 leagues and European competitions over the past year, he ranks:
https://fbref.com/en/players/507c7bdf/Bruno-Fernandes

• 98th percentile in expected assists
• 71st percentile in non penalty expected goals
• 89th percentile in non penalty xG + xA
• 97th percentile in passes completed
• 96th percentile in key passes
• 99th percentile in passes in the final 3rd
• 96th percentile in passes into the penalty area
• 98th percentile in progressive passes
• 98th percentile in through balls completed between defenders
• 93rd percentile in "shot creating actions"
• 93rd percentile in attacking 3rd "pressures"
• 88th percentile in midfield 3rd "pressures"
• Respectable defensive stats (63rd for tackles and interceptions, 76 for clearances
• 99th percentile in touches per 90 minutes
• 78th and 84th for miscontrolling the ball and being dispossessed (so pretty good in comparison to all players on his area of the pitch)
• 98th percentile in receiving passes
• 87th percentile in progressive passes received

And so on. He's a fecking brilliant attacking midfielder when you take away the actual goals and assists if you think they are flukey, as he moves into great positions to receive the ball, always makes himself available, gets in great positions to move up the pitch regularly, and works hard defensively and runs constantly, stays fit, is an attackers dream in that he is always finding them in advanced positions more than almost anybody in Europe...

The guy is literally in the 98th percentile or above in so many key attacking and creativity underlying stats, which of course leads to a brilliant goal and assists count. But importantly is also at the top in touches per game showing he gets involved and acts like a midfielder still (compared to strikers who would have much fewer touches).

Oh, and for those obsessing over pass accuracy:

• Jack Grealish - 78.8% from 43.29 passes per 90 (34.1 completed)
• Kevin de Bruyne - 75.5% from 64.29 passes per 90 (48.5 completed)
• Bruno Fernandes - 73.5% from 65.31 passes per 90 (48 completed)
• Thomas Muller - 73.3% from 49.76 passes per 90 (36.5 completed)

Negligible difference between Bruno and De Bruyne in pass accuracy, while both are at the very best rank in the world for all the ball progressive passing and creative stats possible, while also being very good in terms of individual xG as well. Like what more do you want? 2% more pass accuracy? So tighten up 1 pass per game? Get the feck out of here. You take into account that almost the entirety of our creativity revolves around him and the others behind tend to play it safe, and he does a good job at keeping up with the demand we need from him at that position. Add in that he's played 79 games since the football restart... and well, you have a world class player.

Love this post. It's rare to see stats in football being used in meaningful way. I always wish Bruno wouldn't work hard as he's been. He might be more productive that way.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

This thread

Crazy that he's played 79 games in the 11 months between the football restart last June and the Europa League final. Add in 3-7 games games for the Euros and he'll have played close 85 games in that period. For a guy as hard working as him, that's fecked. Also it's crazy how he's managed to avoid injuries (or play through them). Whatever the case, it's clear to me that we need to rotate him a bit more to keep him sharper, but generally he's undoubtedly a world class player for me. He's one of the most creative players in world football, he gets involved all the time, he scores loads of goals and of course the best penalty taker around. But take away his pens and he'd still be ridiculously productive (before people say it's only because of penalties without realizing he'd still have 15 goals for the season).

I get it, he has some sloppy passes now and then and his pass accuracy is in the low-mid 70's... but he more than makes up for a few misplaced passes per game with his on the ball impact, his productivity, and his work rate.

I love how people in here have been saying without his productivity he wouldn't be anything special. Ok so without his goals and assists? What would Ronaldo be without goals and assists? Messi? If you pretend like he missed his chances and his team mates missed the chances he set up for them and just look at underlying stats, he still blows it out of the park. Per 90 minutes, compared to all attacking midfielders and wingers in the big 5 leagues and European competitions over the past year, he ranks:
https://fbref.com/en/players/507c7bdf/Bruno-Fernandes

• 98th percentile in expected assists
• 71st percentile in non penalty expected goals
• 89th percentile in non penalty xG + xA
• 97th percentile in passes completed
• 96th percentile in key passes
• 99th percentile in passes in the final 3rd
• 96th percentile in passes into the penalty area
• 98th percentile in progressive passes
• 98th percentile in through balls completed between defenders
• 93rd percentile in "shot creating actions"
• 93rd percentile in attacking 3rd "pressures"
• 88th percentile in midfield 3rd "pressures"
• Respectable defensive stats (63rd for tackles and interceptions, 76 for clearances
• 99th percentile in touches per 90 minutes
• 78th and 84th for miscontrolling the ball and being dispossessed (so pretty good in comparison to all players on his area of the pitch)
• 98th percentile in receiving passes
• 87th percentile in progressive passes received

And so on. He's a fecking brilliant attacking midfielder when you take away the actual goals and assists if you think they are flukey, as he moves into great positions to receive the ball, always makes himself available, gets in great positions to move up the pitch regularly, and works hard defensively and runs constantly, stays fit, is an attackers dream in that he is always finding them in advanced positions more than almost anybody in Europe...

The guy is literally in the 98th percentile or above in so many key attacking and creativity underlying stats, which of course leads to a brilliant goal and assists count. But importantly is also at the top in touches per game showing he gets involved and acts like a midfielder still (compared to strikers who would have much fewer touches).

Oh, and for those obsessing over pass accuracy:

• Jack Grealish - 78.8% from 43.29 passes per 90 (34.1 completed)
• Kevin de Bruyne - 75.5% from 64.29 passes per 90 (48.5 completed)
• Bruno Fernandes - 73.5% from 65.31 passes per 90 (48 completed)
• Thomas Muller - 73.3% from 49.76 passes per 90 (36.5 completed)

Negligible difference between Bruno and De Bruyne in pass accuracy, while both are at the very best rank in the world for all the ball progressive passing and creative stats possible, while also being very good in terms of individual xG as well. Like what more do you want? 2% more pass accuracy? So tighten up 1 pass per game? Get the feck out of here. You take into account that almost the entirety of our creativity revolves around him and the others behind tend to play it safe, and he does a good job at keeping up with the demand we need from him at that position. Add in that he's played 79 games since the football restart... and well, you have a world class player.

Cracking post. Pity about the utter dogshit posts it’s forced to share a page with.

 

[Jeppers7]

You can post as many stats that suit an agenda as you like for any player. At the end of the day that just comes down to personal preference and bias. Bruno is a brilliant player, but anyone who tries to claim he hasn’t had many below par and at times abysmal performances since December, and very few very good ones also is playing games with the truth and stats. If it’s fair to judge one player on performance and dismiss stats, it’s fair for all. If it’s fair to dismiss penalties and weak assists for one, it’s fair for all.

With regards to Bruno, he’s had a positive impact but it’s overstated. We’ve won nothing and we struggle to break down low block teams. We struggle to dominate teams and struggle to put teams to bed until the last ten minutes generally if we do at all. So he isn’t that effective. There’s doubt as to whether his stats benefit him more than the team.

His performances will need to improve if we are to win a major trophy even if his stats don’t. Call a spade a spade. If he plays well say so.....if he has a bad game say so, don’t try and gloss over it with stats.

 

[bosnian_red]

You can post as many stats that suit an agenda as you like for any player. At the end of the day that just comes down to personal preference and bias. Bruno is a brilliant player, but anyone who tries to claim he hasn’t had many below par and at times abysmal performances since December, and very few very good ones also is playing games with the truth and stats. If it’s fair to judge one player on performance and dismiss stats, it’s fair for all. If it’s fair to dismiss penalties and weak assists for one, it’s fair for all.

With regards to Bruno, he’s had a positive impact but it’s overstated. We’ve won nothing and we struggle to break down low block teams. We struggle to dominate teams and struggle to put teams to bed until the last ten minutes generally if we do at all. So he isn’t that effective. There’s doubt as to whether his stats benefit him more than the team.

His performances will need to improve if we are to win a major trophy even if his stats don’t. Call a spade a spade. If he plays well say so.....if he has a bad game say so, don’t try and gloss over it with stats.

Yeah but here you're basically implying that our #10 who has 50 goals and assists for the season and 2 time player of the season is the reason we don't win more, rather than the rest of the squad not being on the same level? Players perform better with better coaching systems, and around better players. Football especially is a sport where the weakest link can really drag you down. We have no creativity from the right wing. No creativity from the deeper midfielders. Our right back offers very little in attack creativity wise. Our only center forward is Cavani who is 34 years old and took ages to get fit. Stats like the one's I posted show a per 90 metric over the past year, compared to every player in a similar position. It's ignoring goals and assists entirely. It's just looking at his impact on playmaking. People criticize how he's sloppy at times and gives it away, well, De Bruyne does it literally just as much (statistical fact). People criticize his big game performances on occasion like they used to with Ronaldo, but it's a fact that everyone drops their average level a little bit over a span of big games, and is more inconsistent, that there's less space to play in. That's only natural and is to be expected. It happens with Messi, it happens with Ronaldo, of course it happens with Bruno. United fans watch United every week and scrutinize every touch of Bruno's, and then go wank over De Bruyne and Grealish. Well Grealish has been injured half a year, offers literally nothing in terms of shooting or goalscoring, and is less involved on the ball than Bruno is per 90 minutes.

To win a trophy, our overall quality will have to improve. Our coaching will have to improve. We didn't win the CL in 2008 because Ronaldo was world class in that game. He had a good first half and then didn't do much the rest of the game. Football is a team game. Singling out our best performing player 2 seasons in a row, one of the very top playmakers in the world based on underlying stats and the most productive playmaker based on goals and assists, is just crazy to me. Of course everyone has room for improvement, everyone can tighten up in certain spots or become more consistent. But nobody can do that alone, and it's important to highlight why somebody is inconsistent if they are. Are they playing too many games and fatigue is affecting them? How is their supporting cast? How is the playing system they are part of? Could the coaching staff do more? This all applies a lot for United. Blaming Bruno for not dominating teams, putting teams to bed, failing to win trophies is just insane when you consider everything.

Also that bolded part... fecking hell. Doubt as to whether his stats benefit him more than the team? Remember where we were before he came last January? United has been the 2nd best team in England since his signing. Before that, it was hard to say we were even in the top 4 at all in terms of overall team quality and performances.

 

[lex talionis]

It's a pretty rare footballer who never suffers from a dip in form, especially if normal form is an elite level.

I don't begrudge Bruno putting in a disappointing performance here and there, but what I do begrudge is Ole refusing to give Bruno the rest he needs so that when he does start he's more likely to perform at the highest possible level he's capable of.

 

[He'sRaldo]

You can post as many stats that suit an agenda as you like for any player. At the end of the day that just comes down to personal preference and bias. Bruno is a brilliant player, but anyone who tries to claim he hasn’t had many below par and at times abysmal performances since December, and very few very good ones also is playing games with the truth and stats. If it’s fair to judge one player on performance and dismiss stats, it’s fair for all. If it’s fair to dismiss penalties and weak assists for one, it’s fair for all.

With regards to Bruno, he’s had a positive impact but it’s overstated. We’ve won nothing and we struggle to break down low block teams. We struggle to dominate teams and struggle to put teams to bed until the last ten minutes generally if we do at all. So he isn’t that effective. There’s doubt as to whether his stats benefit him more than the team.

His performances will need to improve if we are to win a major trophy even if his stats don’t. Call a spade a spade. If he plays well say so.....if he has a bad game say so, don’t try and gloss over it with stats.

I agree, it seemed to be every other game this season where people would comment about his ability to score/assist without playing well. Once he had that dry patch of non-productivity, he was barely offering much else. Rashford for instance has better open play stats than him, and most won't deny that Rashford has to improve his general performances. So suggesting the same for Bruno is not a headscratcher.

As for the stats the main person they benefit is Ole, because we rely on brilliant individuals to pull out moments of magic even amidst poor games, and those two fit that description to a tee. That's why Bruno and Rashford are rarely ever rested or dropped. If we focus on having good general play, those two (and many others) will most likely still have similar stats, but with much better performances. So ultimately I wouldn't be too harsh on Bruno's general performances without taking that into account.

 

[Jeppers7]

Yeah but here you're basically implying that our #10 who has 50 goals and assists for the season and 2 time player of the season is the reason we don't win more, rather than the rest of the squad not being on the same level? Players perform better with better coaching systems, and around better players. Football especially is a sport where the weakest link can really drag you down. We have no creativity from the right wing. No creativity from the deeper midfielders. Our right back offers very little in attack creativity wise. Our only center forward is Cavani who is 34 years old and took ages to get fit. Stats like the one's I posted show a per 90 metric over the past year, compared to every player in a similar position. It's ignoring goals and assists entirely. It's just looking at his impact on playmaking. People criticize how he's sloppy at times and gives it away, well, De Bruyne does it literally just as much (statistical fact). People criticize his big game performances on occasion like they used to with Ronaldo, but it's a fact that everyone drops their average level a little bit over a span of big games, and is more inconsistent, that there's less space to play in. That's only natural and is to be expected. It happens with Messi, it happens with Ronaldo, of course it happens with Bruno. United fans watch United every week and scrutinize every touch of Bruno's, and then go wank over De Bruyne and Grealish. Well Grealish has been injured half a year, offers literally nothing in terms of shooting or goalscoring, and is less involved on the ball than Bruno is per 90 minutes.

To win a trophy, our overall quality will have to improve. Our coaching will have to improve. We didn't win the CL in 2008 because Ronaldo was world class in that game. He had a good first half and then didn't do much the rest of the game. Football is a team game. Singling out our best performing player 2 seasons in a row, one of the very top playmakers in the world based on underlying stats and the most productive playmaker based on goals and assists, is just crazy to me. Of course everyone has room for improvement, everyone can tighten up in certain spots or become more consistent. But nobody can do that alone, and it's important to highlight why somebody is inconsistent if they are. Are they playing too many games and fatigue is affecting them? How is their supporting cast? How is the playing system they are part of? Could the coaching staff do more? This all applies a lot for United. Blaming Bruno for not dominating teams, putting teams to bed, failing to win trophies is just insane when you consider everything.

Also that bolded part... fecking hell. Doubt as to whether his stats benefit him more than the team? Remember where we were before he came last January? United has been the 2nd best team in England since his signing. Before that, it was hard to say we were even in the top 4 at all in terms of overall team quality and performances.

Players definitely play better with better coaching and systems, that applies for all players. Doesn’t mean when Bruno has a bad game it can’t be called that. I don’t think he’s been our best performing player in terms of performance, his output has been. What stats don’t show you is the impact a players misplaced passes have on a game. Ruud for example always had great stats, I didn’t always think they benefited the team. I’d say the same with Bruno. I also don’t attribute everything about where we are now to Bruno. I think there are many other factors, Maguire and AWB have been important to our back four. Greenwood has had an impact as did Martial last season. Shaw has been our best performer this season. Bruno has barely played well since December, he isn’t the sole reason we are second.

 

[Jeppers7]

I agree, it seemed to be every other game this season where people would comment about his ability to score/assist without playing well. Once he had that dry patch of non-productivity, he was barely offering much else. Rashford for instance has better open play stats than him, and most won't deny that Rashford has to improve his general performances. So suggesting the same for Bruno is not a headscratcher.

As for the stats the main person they benefit is Ole, because we rely on brilliant individuals to pull out moments of magic even amidst poor games, and those two fit that description to a tee. That's why Bruno and Rashford are rarely ever rested or dropped. If we focus on having good general play, those two (and many others) will most likely still have similar stats, but with much better performances. So ultimately I wouldn't be too harsh on Bruno's general performances without taking that into account.

I totally agree. He’s a brilliant player. No need for people to try and defend the fact he hasn’t played that well since December. Very few of our players perform consistently as we aren’t a team that seems to create consistency even over 90 minutes let alone a season. Shaw is by far our most consistent performer but I think that it’s an easier job for a fullback in our team than a creative player. Our movement is pretty poor and we seem to rely on counter attack or individual moments.

 

[Siezard]

He will get premier league player of the season.

 

[roonster09]

This thread

Crazy that he's played 79 games in the 11 months between the football restart last June and the Europa League final. Add in 3-7 games games for the Euros and he'll have played close 85 games in that period. For a guy as hard working as him, that's fecked. Also it's crazy how he's managed to avoid injuries (or play through them). Whatever the case, it's clear to me that we need to rotate him a bit more to keep him sharper, but generally he's undoubtedly a world class player for me. He's one of the most creative players in world football, he gets involved all the time, he scores loads of goals and of course the best penalty taker around. But take away his pens and he'd still be ridiculously productive (before people say it's only because of penalties without realizing he'd still have 15 goals for the season).

I get it, he has some sloppy passes now and then and his pass accuracy is in the low-mid 70's... but he more than makes up for a few misplaced passes per game with his on the ball impact, his productivity, and his work rate.

I love how people in here have been saying without his productivity he wouldn't be anything special. Ok so without his goals and assists? What would Ronaldo be without goals and assists? Messi? If you pretend like he missed his chances and his team mates missed the chances he set up for them and just look at underlying stats, he still blows it out of the park. Per 90 minutes, compared to all attacking midfielders and wingers in the big 5 leagues and European competitions over the past year, he ranks:
https://fbref.com/en/players/507c7bdf/Bruno-Fernandes

• 98th percentile in expected assists
• 71st percentile in non penalty expected goals
• 89th percentile in non penalty xG + xA
• 97th percentile in passes completed
• 96th percentile in key passes
• 99th percentile in passes in the final 3rd
• 96th percentile in passes into the penalty area
• 98th percentile in progressive passes
• 98th percentile in through balls completed between defenders
• 93rd percentile in "shot creating actions"
• 93rd percentile in attacking 3rd "pressures"
• 88th percentile in midfield 3rd "pressures"
• Respectable defensive stats (63rd for tackles and interceptions, 76 for clearances
• 99th percentile in touches per 90 minutes
• 78th and 84th for miscontrolling the ball and being dispossessed (so pretty good in comparison to all players on his area of the pitch)
• 98th percentile in receiving passes
• 87th percentile in progressive passes received

And so on. He's a fecking brilliant attacking midfielder when you take away the actual goals and assists if you think they are flukey, as he moves into great positions to receive the ball, always makes himself available, gets in great positions to move up the pitch regularly, and works hard defensively and runs constantly, stays fit, is an attackers dream in that he is always finding them in advanced positions more than almost anybody in Europe...

The guy is literally in the 98th percentile or above in so many key attacking and creativity underlying stats, which of course leads to a brilliant goal and assists count. But importantly is also at the top in touches per game showing he gets involved and acts like a midfielder still (compared to strikers who would have much fewer touches).

Oh, and for those obsessing over pass accuracy:

• Jack Grealish - 78.8% from 43.29 passes per 90 (34.1 completed)
• Kevin de Bruyne - 75.5% from 64.29 passes per 90 (48.5 completed)
• Bruno Fernandes - 73.5% from 65.31 passes per 90 (48 completed)
• Thomas Muller - 73.3% from 49.76 passes per 90 (36.5 completed)

Negligible difference between Bruno and De Bruyne in pass accuracy, while both are at the very best rank in the world for all the ball progressive passing and creative stats possible, while also being very good in terms of individual xG as well. Like what more do you want? 2% more pass accuracy? So tighten up 1 pass per game? Get the feck out of here. You take into account that almost the entirety of our creativity revolves around him and the others behind tend to play it safe, and he does a good job at keeping up with the demand we need from him at that position. Add in that he's played 79 games since the football restart... and well, you have a world class player.

This is a brilliant post, contender for post of the year.

Many are really clueless when they keep spouting shit like 'If you take out goals, assists he is not good enough" when he has created most chances in the league and IIRC in top 5 leagues.

Close to 50 goals + assists, most chances created but he hasn't played well since December itseems

 

[el3mel]

The guy is phenomenal. Yes his EL final performance sucked but he has been easily our best player this season alongside Shaw.

 

[Andersons Dietician]

as he moves into great positions to receive the ball, always makes himself available, gets in great positions to move up the pitch regularly,

I just want to single out this line because I think for many that watch the games and critique some of the things Bruno does or doesn’t do on the pitch believe this isn’t exactly true.

Ok in the box and so on he does move well and who knows if he’s told to play like this by Ole or it’s just him. But part of the reason we struggle moving the ball up is because he isn’t making offers for the midfielders. He’ll most likely be on the shoulder of a defender leaving a gaping huge hole in an important area of the pitch.

Now this isn’t an issue as much when Martial plays or Pogba is on the left as they drop in that space to give options for our midfield to move the ball up. Heck even when VDB replaced him for I think it was against Liverpool we actually moved the ball better because VDB took up better positions.

I think many love Bruno’s exceptional willingness to score goals, take on a risky pass but many also realise we could probably be a much better team if he was more of a cog in the machine helping it run better than just a gold plated Cog that throws the timing off.

I think in someways the same can be said for Rashford, both unbelievable numbers but they can both be so much better that won’t rely on them putting up stupid numbers to be valued in the team.

 

[abraz79]

For some people, if Bruno plays at the same level as the rest of the team, he is not playing well, he's being terrible and wasteful.

I guess the better you are, the higher are the expectations.

Bruno is not Ronaldo or Messi. His game is very affected by the rest of the teamwork.

He needs more daring team mates, that put to use his creativity. I've seen many failed passes because the team mate didn't understand his intention or was too afraid to risk a forward run or link with him (prefering to keep his position or pass to the side/back).

Also, the opposing teams know how he influences the team, so they will always mark and press him, that means the other team mates have to step up: giving passing options, not being afraid to do triangulations with him, use the space that he opens (if there's two adversaries pressing him, someone is free...).

Saying that Shaw was a more consistent performer, is comparing apples to oranges. Do you think VDB, Pogba, Mata, Fred, Matic, McT have been more influential or more consistent than Bruno?

Bruno is a world class player and his output is fantastic, specially if we take in consideration that he hasn't the same support as other top level AMs. People always bring DeBruyne when making comparisons... His stats aren't better than Bruno's. And you have to wonder what Bruno would perform, if he was in DeBryne's place in Man City. Or how DeBruyne would perform in Man Utd.

There's no positive outcome to negatively criticizing Bruno's performance, every single week, when his performance is probably the last thing that need changing in this team and coaching.

 

[Raveneye]

For some people, if Bruno plays at the same level as the rest of the team, he is not playing well, he's being terrible and wasteful.

I guess the better you are, the higher are the expectations.

Bruno is not Ronaldo or Messi. His game is very affected by the rest of the teamwork.

He needs more daring team mates, that put to use his creativity. I've seen many failed passes because the team mate didn't understand his intention or was too afraid to risk a forward run or link with him (prefering to keep his position or pass to the side/back).

Also, the opposing teams know how he influences the team, so they will always mark and press him, that means the other team mates have to step up: giving passing options, not being afraid to do triangulations with him, use the space that he opens (if there's two adversaries pressing him, someone is free...).

Saying that Shaw was a more consistent performer, is comparing apples to oranges. Do you think VDB, Pogba, Mata, Fred, Matic, McT have been more influential or more consistent than Bruno?

Bruno is a world class player and his output is fantastic, specially if we take in consideration that he hasn't the same support as other top level AMs. People always bring DeBruyne when making comparisons... His stats aren't better than Bruno's. And you have to wonder what Bruno would perform, if he was in DeBryne's place in Man City. Or how DeBruyne would perform in Man Utd.

There's no positive outcome to negatively criticizing Bruno's performance, every single week, when his performance is probably the last thing that need changing in this team and coaching.

I don't think DeBryune would do as well at Manchester United, nor Bruno at City. Pep and Ole each have the perfect no. 10 for their preferred footballing philosophy.

 

[RooneyLegend]

The guy has 9 goals(non pen) and 11 assists in the league as a second striker and people act like he's some statistical anomaly, stop it. That's 20 goal contributions and he pretty much plays every minute. He's nothing special, just a very good player with a terrible bottom level.

 

[MadMike]

The guy has 9 goals(non pen) and 11 assists in the league as a second striker and people act like he's some statistical anomaly, stop it. That's 20 goal contributions and he pretty much plays every minute. He's nothing special, just a very good player with a terrible bottom level.

Why would you say something so controversial yet so brave?

 

[Anustart89]

The guy has 9 goals(non pen) and 11 assists in the league as a second striker and people act like he's some statistical anomaly, stop it. That's 20 goal contributions and he pretty much plays every minute. He's nothing special, just a very good player with a terrible bottom level.

Since you're obviously putting him in the second striker camp, would you mind showing the data supporting this? I'm talking defensive contributions and heat maps in comparison to other second strikers?

 

[Annihilate Now!]

The guy has 9 goals(non pen) and 11 assists in the league as a second striker and people act like he's some statistical anomaly, stop it. That's 20 goal contributions and he pretty much plays every minute. He's nothing special, just a very good player with a terrible bottom level.

He has 12 assists and 9 goals, which puts him at 21 goal contributions.

Excluding pens only Kane (striker), Bamford (striker) and Son (advanced winger) have more. Salah has the same (also an advanced winger)

 

[Marwood]

He has 12 assists and 9 goals, which puts him at 21 goal contributions.

Excluding pens only Kane (striker), Bamford (striker) and Son (advanced winger) have more. Salah has the same (also an advanced winger)

Sure but the posters point was that Bruno hasn't been a statistical anomaly this season. In the league as you point out his stats are relatively good but not mindblowing.

Given his position and playing for a 2nd spot team I'd say 21 goal contributions is towards the bottom end of expectancy levels. Any less and I think you could start to question him.

I really rate Bruno though and I'm sure if he'd played a few less games we'd have got a fresher, better player.

 

[The United]

Sure but the posters point was that Bruno hasn't been a statistical anomaly this season. In the league as you point out his stats are relatively good but not mindblowing.

Given his position and playing for a 2nd spot team I'd say 21 goal contributions is towards the bottom end of expectancy levels. Any less and I think you could start to question him.

I really rate Bruno though and I'm sure if he'd played a few less games we'd have got a fresher, better player.

Yeah but to make the stats look less anomaly, the poster took a stats out though?

Also, what about chance creation? Assists can be misleading as it depends on another player to finish it.

I mean, seriously?

 

[littleman]

There are many other issues to worry about and Bruno isn't the first.

He could be better, but it's not a priority. At the moment, he sets the bar for everyone.

We need to get him better partners in midfield

 

[The Substitute]

Pointing to his stats as the reasoning behind him being the standout player is not enough.

For some reason, fans tends to slap the total numbers to the table and claim he outperformed Kdb.

As some probably have mentioned, remove penalties and his goals+assists is lower than Kdb per minute, chance creation as well.


He'll need to step up with the rest next season, had a big performance dip which clearly state he can't handle the number of games he played.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Nice to see Bruno keeping up his form for Portugal, a goal and an assist in the 1st half against Israel so far.

 

[bosnian_red]

Another goal and assist in the first half today, he's going to tear up the euros.

 

[Adam-Utd]

Bags another, top bins

 

[SATA]

Ours

 

[gorky_utd]

Top player.

 

[JJ12]

Superstar.

Portugal’s best player

 

[Samid]

2G, 1A:

 

[bosnian_red]

This guy
Going full on for Portugal this year. They are brilliant on paper and with Bruno and Ronaldo, have the world class attacking talent who are also decisive in games with their end product.

 

[pascell]

This guy
Going full on for Portugal this year. They are brilliant on paper and with Bruno and Ronaldo, have the world class attacking talent who are also decisive in games with their end product.

Cancelo, Dias, Sanches, Bernardo Silva, they have a good chance.

 

[V.O.]

2G, 1A:

That last one

Toppeth bin.

 

[Schmeichel's Cartwheel]

That second goal was filthy

 

[Red Royal]

Bruno deserves the trophy if (when) England dont win it I will root for Portugal.

 

[Paul_Scholes18]

Bruno deserves the trophy if (when) England dont win it I will root for Portugal.

From my understanding there is a pretty high chance that Portugal and England play each other in round of 16.

If England wins the group which is highly likely and Portugal end in second place they might play each other.

 

[Godfather]

Man it feels good that we have him

 

[bosnian_red]

Cancelo, Dias, Sanches, Bernardo Silva, they have a good chance.

Patricio
Cancelo Pepe Dias Guerreiro
Danilo Moutinho
Bernardo Bruno Jota
Ronaldo
​

It's a fantastic lineup, with quality cover in every position. Gomes, Semedo, Fonte, Mendes, William, Neves, Sanches, Goncalves, Silva, Felix... Definitely the 2nd favourites for me, and the only thing separating them and France is Kante in that midfield compared to William or Danilo. Kind of funny that the last Euro's final was France vs Portugal, and both squads were very far away from the level that they are at now.

 

[hubbuh]

From my understanding there is a pretty high chance that Portugal and England play each other in round of 16.

If England wins the group which is highly likely and Portugal end in second place they might play each other.

He's electric. Would be pretty fun for England to play against him and Ronaldo at some stage.

 

[bosnian_red]

From my understanding there is a pretty high chance that Portugal and England play each other in round of 16.

If England wins the group which is highly likely and Portugal end in second place they might play each other.

Yep, or if England is 2nd and Portugal 1st, then they'd meet in the quarter finals. Think they both need to finish 1st or both 2nd to avoid each other.

 

[Shark]

He really deserved to win that Europa final. Can see Portugal going far again.