Why does anyone have principles?
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Basically, I am worried about this sort of reaction en masse:
I just told you why, because we need it economically and we give the same right to all members.
Hannan said that free movement of labour was a possibility. He qualified this by saying it was different from free movement of people. That is completely different to what Leave were saying, who said we need to be able to control numbers.
Any other Englishmen here now hoping England get embarrassed at the Euros? 
thats a good idea but where would the funding of come from, and who would choose how its spent?
i also think thier should be a yearly cap on how many unskilled workers are allowed to apply to work in each country each year.
i think if you added the two policy's togther you would have a much fairer EU that people wouldn't be so angry about
Just to highlight some peoples stupidity. A guy I work with voted leave because his mate told him Syria would be joining the EU in the next few years.
I did ask if he's seen the news recently.
I did ask if he's seen the news recently.
you said they value both equally, you didn't say why?
so it a principle thing rather then an economic thing? isnt that as daft as those who voted to take their country back even if it meant damaging their county?
It can be both
As @JPRouve says, we need it. The NHS in particular will go to absolute shit without migrant workers to wipe our aging populations arses.Yes. In his view people wont be able to just come here and look for a job but will be able to have kind of an automatic work permit (if you will) if they have a job offer.
If this kind of a deal were to be struck it would cut un-skilled labour movement significantly.
I did told you why, but you missed it. To trade goods freely, we need people to physically export them freely, companies need to be able to establish themselves easily in different areas of the free market. Limiting movements defies the idea of free market.
It would be like considering that England is a free market, which it is, but english people/workers can't move freely within the borders of england.
S&P strips UK of Triple-A credit rating
Shouldn't they wait at least until after artc. 50 is invoked?
No, the instability is already there.
Why? The economy is already taking a hammering.
It has not been even a week since a non binding referendum. The markets always show some form of knee jerking no?
but companies don't genrally take whole work forces with them, maybe take a few and then employ from who is in the country........
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Does that happen with immigration? I don't think it does.
Even if it did, it's their perogative.
erm i know a lot of people who work in nurisng homes wiping aging peoples arses and thier all english..... it wont really affect nurses as they are skilled workers, so i dont really understand how it will affect the Nhs?It can be both
does what happen?
The markets often over reacts to events like this but there are other indicators to that are showing a slow down.
I posted this earlier today in this thread but I'll post it again because it shows that company's are already starting to hold back on their investments and recruitments.
http://www.iod.com/influencing/press-office/press-releases/first-signs-brexit-will-hit-jobs
They've lost trillions I don't think you can call it knee jerk...
but company don't genrally take hole work forces with them, maybe take a few and then employ from who is in the country........
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So for example, you want one company to employ 4 truckers for a work that requires 1 trucker? That's a waste of money and time.
Do companies really bring in a whole workforce of immigrants rather then blend them with UK citizens?
no they don't.
130,000 workers in the NHS from the EU. Not all of them are skilled (porters, administrators etc). Most likely there will be an NHS exception in any deal (or at least there should be)
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...d-brexit-really-have-on-the-nhs-a7073241.html
He's right, of course.
Shouldn't have been possible in the first place, which makes the pill all the more bitter for those who now have to swallow it.
The fact that so many simply never believed it would ever happen (even a God knows how significant percentage of those who voted for it), gives it a horrible air of randomness on top of everything else.
A country should not be making fundamental, irreversible changes based on a razor-thin minority that might prevail only during a brief window of emotion.
That is my feeling also.
Then why did you say that?
well id be utterly shocked if any deal made didn't include some kind of deal where people already in the country where allowed to stay if they choose, i havn't suggested anyone say other wise, so it isn't like that 130,000 is going to disappear.
and going forward it will make little difference employing foreign skilled workers, like nurses, it will just have to employ from inside the uk offering completive wages and contracts
i didnt. i said they don't do that!
Aye completely agree, especially as most of the voters were clearly uninformed.
Yesit happens. Small construction businesses in London are surrounding areas have been decimated by influx of cheaper labour from eastern europe.
Often times creating an underground economy and also created many health and saftey hazards.
You are right though, that under EU laws its their perogative and that is why people that law out.
I would love this to be the case, but doubt it. The Government abolished burseries for nurses, making them undertake a three-year degree at 9k fees. I am worried about how many students would want to burden themselves with 40k debt or more for that career. It is self-defeating, in my view.
no you just get a guy a temporary work visa that goes across country, happens all over the world without much hassle
but we arn't talking about nurses, nurses will still be able to be employed from around the EU as they are skilled workers so will make no difference.
but i agree with you on the burseries point, but then why would anyone burden themselfs with 40k debt to study most degrees these days? i mean why people pay 40k to study something like music or media, degrees in this country are becoming more and more just an expensive bit of paper. but then our whole educational system is a mess and thats another debate!
Well, to be fair we (you, I and others) are talking about lots of things! My point re: nurses is to illustrate that this Government (just like its Coalition and Labour predecessors) have a jumbled view of immigration. There are the wrong push and pull factors for British workers and young people which has meant that immigration (both high skilled and low skilled) has been necessary to grow the economy. I want a Party (any Party to be honest) to present a joined-up approach to the economy, and not just piecemeal policies. But again, that is another debate, and likely off topic again!
To what purpose? Because the administration costs money.