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[2mufc0]

Thanks. It's scant consolation but I hope our friends in the rest of Europe don't label all of us Brits the same. Please don't think all of us are as small and petty minded and scared of difference

I have been in tears over this, I am absolutely disgusted with the attitude and ignorance. The racism and xenophobia being reported is disgraceful and embarrassing and the gloating from (some of) the people who voted to leave is unbearable. But what is harder to take is the fact Gove and Farage have both come out and basically stuck two fingers up to EVERYONE! They admitted lying and have said that immigration wouldn't change, the NHS wouldn't get the extra funding, Farage even went one step further saying it could possibly go altogether (something he has been pushing for a long time) so they have really just put two fingers up to everyone who voted with them as well.

But it's not that that really upset me, it's what we have said by voting out, and what we will now be perceived as for voting out. We are being heralded by people like Donald Fecking Trump and Marine Le Pen, we are being held up and congratulated by right wing lunatics and have basically said "i'm alright Jack, feck everyone else" we have basically said we want to do it alone and don't want unity. I personally want MORE unity all over the world. At a time like now we should be working together as much as we can, especially with the rest of Europe. But no, we are ok, and want to go alone, and it's been fuelled by lies and hatred and by misinformed idiots. It's just very sad, and it's really upsetting.

Exactly how I feel .

 

[Carolina Red]

context

Bureaucratism and bureaucracy... Both terms referring to government by nonelected officials, colloquially understood to be a reference to something being overcomplicated by government.

 

[Chorley1974]

Sorry, my english is bad. This fault is coming from the german word Bürokratie.

Wasn't having a go at your english, was just pointing out I made an assumption on what I thought you meant.

 

[Chorley1974]

Bureaucratism and bureaucracy... Both terms referring to government by nonelected officials, colloquially understood to be a reference to something being overcomplicated by government.

I think you'll find the former is used in the US not the UK. My point was only to assume what I thought he meant in my UK language terms.

 

[Will Absolute]

It's already been shown that being in the EU does not have any significance to our laws, and the Leave campaign have already conceded that immigration will not fall. So no, my crystal ball isn't powerful but my eyes and ears sure as hell are. If yours are not, I mean.. I'd refer you to a specialist but we all know how you feel about them.

It won't fall in the next two years because Britain is still in the EU. It will fall when Britain leaves. The removal of the automatic right of someone from Poland or Slovakia to board a train in their own country and 24 hours later to step off a train in London and take up residence in Britain will reduce immigration. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

 

[Silva]

It won't fall in the next two years because Britain is still in the EU. It will fall when Britain leaves. The removal of the automatic right of someone from Poland or Slovakia to board a train in their own country and 24 hours later to step off a train in London and take up residence in Britain will reduce immigration. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

Freedom of movement of labour won't be removed in any potential deal to access to single market. In or out, immigration won't fall.

 

[Zarlak]

It won't fall in the next two years because Britain is still in the EU. It will fall when Britain leaves. The removal of the automatic right of someone from Poland or Slovakia to board a train in their own country and 24 hours later to step off a train in London and take up residence in Britain will reduce immigration. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

The automatic right will never be removed. The leave campaign know it, the country depends on it. They lied the whole time, experts told you it wouldn't do anything, now they even admit it won't do anything.

 

[afrocentricity]

Freedom of movement of labour won't be removed in any potential deal to access to single market. In or out, immigration won't fall.

It's hilarious the amount of times people have to keep repeating this...

 

[Classical Mechanic]

I don't know. I quite like the SNP too (even as an English person who currently lives in Scotland) but I don't think they have that much integrity. I actually find them a bit disingenuous. I'd argue that they're a populist party thats positioned itself to the left of centre to advance their calls for independence rather than out of any strong ideology, and their favourite sport of bashing Westminster for political gain is a bit off for me – not that Westminster should be immune from bashing, but it borders on hysteria at times.

As it turns out, they're probably in a situation now where they can deliver independence without harming the very people that voted for it but I think they were very deceptive in indyref1 and made a lot of promises they knew they couldn't keep to try and dupe voters(a bit like Leave in this referendum).

I pretty much agree with everything you said there. I am not sure they can deliver what they promised by joining the EU as a independent nation though. The EU economy is pretty weak and they will have to join the Euro. Remember the SNP offered a fairly utopian vision of independence. They are a nationalist party and I do believe the private mentality is get away from England and worry about any the consequences later.

There was a little debate on BBC Radio 4 yesterday between a couple of Scottish newspaper editors and there is a lot of water to go under a lot of bridges before another referendum. It won't happen for a number of years anyway.

 

[langster]

I think this just highlights the worst aspect of all the racism and xenophobia. The Facebook and Twitter pages are growing by the minute. In the 5 minutes I was watching the twitter feed about 25 more racial hatred incidents came in. The ones referring to Muslims and people of Indian and Pakistani decent are especially stupid for obvious reasons.

It just makes me sick to my stomach and so very sad

 

[TheNewEra]

I think this just highlights the worst aspect of all the racism and xenophobia. The Facebook and Twitter pages are growing by the minute. In the 5 minutes I was watching the twitter feed about 25 more racial hatred incidents came in. The ones referring to Muslims and people of Indian and Pakistani decent are especially stupid for obvious reasons.

It just makes me sick to my stomach and so very sad

Tired of the country to be honest, sad people like that get away with their actions.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Tired of the country to be honest, sad people like that get away with their actions.

Disgraceful behaviour but the law will come down hard on them if it become a serious problem I would expect. These morons are just so thick they are wrong on every level with their hatred.

 

[#07]

How would we lose £30bn in tax receipts?

It's in the Insitute for Fiscal Studies report Osborne referenced.

 

[Will Absolute]

The automatic right will never be removed. The leave campaign know it, the country depends on it. They lied the whole time, experts told you it wouldn't do anything, now they even admit it won't do anything.

That's an unjustified assumption on your part based on a deliberate misinterpretation of what a few Leave campaigners have said post referendum.

Negotiations haven't even begun and already you're certain about the outcome.

The people have given the Leave leaders clear instructions which it would be political suicide to disregard.The likely result is some kind of compromise which will fall well short of complete freedom of movement.

 

[Zarlak]

That's an unjustified assumption on your part based on a deliberate misinterpretation of what a few Leave campaigners have said post referendum.

Negotiations haven't even begun and already you're certain about the outcome.

The people have given the Leave leaders clear instructions which it would be political suicide to disregard.The likely result is some kind of compromise which will fall well short of complete freedom of movement.

The leave campaign have admitted that immigration will likely not fall. Try to make excuses for them as much as you want, it came from their mouth.

 

[Minimalist]

It won't fall in the next two years because Britain is still in the EU. It will fall when Britain leaves. The removal of the automatic right of someone from Poland or Slovakia to board a train in their own country and 24 hours later to step off a train in London and take up residence in Britain will reduce immigration. To say otherwise is ridiculous.

I'm really struggling with this. Are you just ignoring every Leave MP who says that is not going to be an issue (they will accept freedom of movement) with new trade deals?

Like seriously are you just winding us up now?

 

[langster]

I'm really struggling with this. Are you just ignoring every Leave MP who says that is not going to be an issue (they will accept freedom of movement) with new trade deals?

Like seriously are you just winding us up now?

He's permanently on a wind up. Does it in the US threads all the time.

 

[Minimalist]

That's an unjustified assumption on your part based on a deliberate misinterpretation of what a few Leave campaigners have said post referendum.

Negotiations haven't even begun and already you're certain about the outcome.

The people have given the Leave leaders clear instructions which it would be political suicide to disregard.The likely result is some kind of compromise which will fall well short of complete freedom of movement.

That's a fairly bizarre view when almost half the country is fuming with the result and many leavers are already regretting their vote.

 

[Grinner]

I'd say a large portion of the leavers' main issue was the amount of Polish bakeries cropping up around the country and as a result putting traditional English bakeries out of business. In fact the vast majority of leave voters that I spoke to kept on harping about closing the borders and some were scared their children would have to learn multiple languages (I kid you not...). Must admit I'll be chuckling when we've still got the same flow of immigrants... Just who the feck will they blame then?


Schadenfreude!

Are Polish bakeries bad? Do they only do potato donuts or something?

 

[Will Absolute]

I'm really struggling with this. Are you just ignoring every Leave MP who says that is not going to be an issue (they will accept freedom of movement) with new trade deals?

Like seriously are you just winding us up now?

Who said this? And why is it not splashed across the front pages of the national media? After all it's pretty sensational stuff: 'Leave leaders deny everything they've been saying in the last three months!!' Even the Guardian don't seem to have mentioned it. Are they trying to spare the blushes of the Leave campaign?

 

[Minimalist]

Who said this? And why is it not splashed across the front pages of the national media? After all it's pretty sensational stuff: 'Leave leaders deny everything they've been saying in the last three months!!' Even the Guardian don't seem to have mentioned it. Are they trying to spare the blushes of the Leave campaign?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ows-back-key-pledges-immigration-nhs-spending

And this is merely a day or so after the result. Are you going to stick your head in the sand and pretend by the time it gets to negotiating a trade deal they will have any leverage to demand different 'freedom of movement' than what other countries sign up to? Never mind that, do you think the likes of Boris and company actually give a shit about immigration?! Course they don't.

Of course if you were thinking they had literally came out and said, "Sorry plebs, more Romanians for you lot!", then that's not obviously what we're talking about. Politicians tend to be slightly more subtle than that when they lie and then backtrack over promises to the people.

 

[Carolina Red]

Who said this? And why is it not splashed across the front pages of the national media? After all it's pretty sensational stuff: 'Leave leaders deny everything they've been saying in the last three months!!' Even the Guardian don't seem to have mentioned it. Are they trying to spare the blushes of the Leave campaign?

Have you been under a rock since the referendum?

 

[dwd]

Anyone posted this yet? Seems to be doing the rounds:

 

[Zarlak]

Who said this? And why is it not splashed across the front pages of the national media? After all it's pretty sensational stuff: 'Leave leaders deny everything they've been saying in the last three months!!' Even the Guardian don't seem to have mentioned it. Are they trying to spare the blushes of the Leave campaign?

It is splashed all over the media. They've already said immigration is unlikely to change and that the £350 million a week was a mistake to claim and won't necessarily be spent on the NHS. It's almost as if the vast majority of experts knew what they were talking about.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

 

[Dan]

There's a live Question Time at 18:30 today on BBC One.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

There's a live Question Time at 18:30 today on BBC One.

Will there be fisticuffs?

 

[Grinner]

Who's on it and does it clash with footy?

 

[Silva]

I reckon if we never invoke article 50 most of the brexit voters won't actually realise.

 

[Dan]

Who's on it and does it clash with footy?

 

[Snowjoe]

I reckon if we never invoke article 50 most of the brexit voters won't actually realise.

Probably think we've left already

 

[Paul the Wolf]

I reckon if we never invoke article 50 most of the brexit voters won't actually realise.

Most of the brexiters don't even know what it is.

 

[TheNewEra]

Most of the brexiters don't even know what it is.

"Article 50 that sounds like reading".

 

[Will Absolute]

http://www.theguardian.com/politics...ows-back-key-pledges-immigration-nhs-spending

And this is merely a day or so after the result. Are you going to stick your head in the sand and pretend by the time it gets to negotiating a trade deal they will have any leverage to demand different 'freedom of movement' than what other countries sign up to? Never mind that, do you think the likes of Boris and company actually give a shit about immigration?! Course they don't.

Of course if you were thinking they had literally came out and said, "Sorry plebs, more Romanians for you lot!", then that's not obviously what we're talking about. Politicians tend to be slightly more subtle than that when they lie and then backtrack over promises to the people.

I actually saw the BBC interview with Hannan. He was clear that the automatic right of EU citizens to come to Britain would no longer apply.

None of us can be certain how the dice will fall. But the scenarios painted by outraged Remainers are just wishful thinking. Either the sky will fall or nothing will change at all. Or both at once.

We do know that the FTSE 100 has taken Brexit in its stride. The people who bet their money on the future of the British economy don't seem too worried. If you look at its performance over a 1 month or 3 month period you'd never know that Brexit had occurred.

 

[Tyrion]

And I think it's completely fair for Cameron to resign.

Gove and Johnson want us out of the Eu so much? They can negotiate with them and deal with the political fallout.

How those two and farage have managed to convince anyone that they're a champion of the working class, they're not establishment figures and that they're just 'one of us' us isbeyond me.

Exactly. This is their mess, they should deal with it. I think the Tory remainers should keep their heads down, let Boris take over but stay organised and capitalise on every cancelled promise (of which, there will be many) and when enough people want to stay as they feel the impact and the leave side start comprimising with the EU, then they should try and oust Johnson.

 

[langster]

I reckon if we never invoke article 50 most of the brexit voters won't actually realise.

I bet a vast majority don't even know what it is, and as someone else said, they probably think we have left already.

 

[Carolina Red]

I actually saw the BBC interview with Hannan. He was clear that the automatic right of EU citizens to come to Britain would no longer apply.

He was also clear that free movement of labor would still apply.

And the Leave voting British public have made it patently clear that they were voting against free movement of labor... Hence all the "we don't want them taking our jobs" comments.

 

[DomesticTadpole]

I bet a vast majority don't even know what it is, and as someone else said, they probably think we have left already.

They do, that is why the racism incidents are happening. They think they can't be arrested, the fact that they can be arrested even when we do leave the EU.

 

[Carolina Red]

I bet a vast majority don't even know what it is, and as someone else said, they probably think we have left already.

Just sell it to them that way

"Well, you voted to leave and in negotiating the best deal for Britain the only thing we weren't able to do was invoke Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty. Other than that, we got a great deal!"

 

[DomesticTadpole]

He was also clear that free movement of labor would still apply.

And the Leave voting British public have made it patently clear that they were voting against free movement of labor... Hence all the "we don't want them taking our jobs" comments.

Do all of them want to go and work for Mike Ashley or something? No I thought not.