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Suppose remain had won by a few percent and the government took that as Carte blanche to pursue hard remain and adopt the euro, insist on multilingual signs and banned using imperial measurements

The brexiteers would have gone (rightly) ape shit
 
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sun_tzu said:
Stolen from Facebook but

Suppose remain had won by a few percent and the government took that as Carte blanche to pursue hard remain and adopt the euro, insist on multilingual signed and banned using imperial measurements

The brexiteers would have gone (rightly) ape shit
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Ban English and adopt French as the national language, regain our heritage, 1066 and all that
 
Edgar Allan Pillow said:
Why? Are you claiming everyone you know is an economics expert?

1. People have been misled or even lied to by the campaigners....who immediately backtracked on immigration and NHS hours after the vote results.
2. People in towns who have the get the most benefit from EU currently have voted exit. There were numerous articles which did bring to light on common voters not understanding the full implications.
3. Numerous have voted Exit as a protest vote which has nothing to do with Brexit per se.

I work in Financial Sector and closely with both UK and EU and do attend regular calls/seminar from leading economists to understand this better. Not everyone has access to those and those are the ones who voted (not saying this is a fault, just pointing out a reality check).

It's obvious that not everybody can be a expert in everything, so the comment on 'stupid' is just nonsense. It's the way the referendum was organized that galls me more than the results.
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You speak the truth sir. I am one of the many you speak of who had no real idea what the ecomical implications of an in or out vote would mean for the country. I have to be totally honest and say that it is only by reading through this thread ( so it's probably why I'm a little behind where you guys are at. Believe it or not I've probably read through most of the pages on this thread!) that I'm actually really understanding the ramifications of the whole eu debate. I had to learn from real people who are actually discussing and presenting the reasons behind Brexit and the possible dangers or benefits.

I felt I was left with two stark choices. One was to remain and try to solidify what was already a pretty influential position. The other was to leave because we wanted more control over immigration and border control because our NHS, jobs, homes and very Britishness was under attack.

Now my family were one of many immigrants (from former British colonies) who were invited to help rebuild Britain after the second world war. They worked long, hard hours in often hostile environments to contribute to the Great in Britain. I grew up being aware and enjoyed the benefits of my parents culture whilst being essentially being English. I ate rice and peas on Sunday and fish and chips from a newspaper on Friday night like most English families. I feel as English/British as the next man.

For me the choice was simple. I felt a vote to leave would be an insult to people like my parents and the benefits of free movement. I absolutely hated the rhetoric coming from the leavers and didn't particularly fancy the faces of either side. I mean Fecking David Cameron was meant to be my champion!!! Jeez!!!

No I voted on my moral code, principles and gut instinct. No great political insight because it was never presented as such or in a manner that the average person could understand.

For what it's worth based on what I've read and learnt on here (and am therefore becoming more engaged in) it seems that my decision was right at least.
 
Brexit fears send pound tumbling – Politics Weekly

The value of the pound nose-dived to its lowest level in 168 years this week as the money markets took fright at the government’s harsher tone on its plans for Brexit. With little detail spelled out, there was also little reassurance for investors that the UK was determined to stay within the European single market and customs union.

We hear from former business secretary Sir Vince Cable who says the pound has been overvalued for too long, but admits the crash will leave people poorer.

Joining Heather Stewart to discuss it all are economics editor Larry Elliott, columnist Rafael Behr and the IPPR’s Catherine Colebrook.

Also this week: we hear from former Labour leader Ed Miliband who has been leading calls for parliament to have a full role in the Brexit process.

And we hear from Labour MP Chi Onwurah who has decided to stay on Labour’s front bench under Jeremy Corbyn despite her harsh criticism of his management style in the summer.

Listen online :: https://audio.guim.co.uk/2016/10/13-52406-gdn.po.161013.politics-weekly.mp3



Larry Elliott asks some good questions about the economy. Over to the Government and its successors for the answers.

Ed Miliband did remind us why he shouldn't be PM though.
 
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Paul the Wolf said:
About what, Remainers moaning, you should read the Daily Express and The Mail.
Remainers have got every right to moan, democracy and all that.
If I was now living in the UK I'd be ripping into the Brexiteers.
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Before the vote they were all over facebook and all that and those of my family/friends who voted leave couldn't wait to bring it up. Now barely a peep. In my own little bubble, the only people who seem to still give a shite are those who voted remain.

But hey, as long as we stop calling brexit voters stupid and all work together, it'll all be ok.
 
Redlambs said:
Before the vote they were all over facebook and all that and those of my family/friends who voted leave couldn't wait to bring it up. Now barely a peep. In my own little bubble, the only people who seem to still give a shite are those who voted remain.

But hey, as long as we stop calling brexit voters stupid and all work together, it'll all be ok.
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Same here, have family in the UK who voted leave, not a peep either, although I did try to stop talking about it some time ago with them to avoid family arguments.
They won't say anything unless or until it all goes wrong and then they'll blame the EU for being vindictive or immigrants for still being there or whoever they can blame for their own decision.
 
Several weeks ago most on here were criticising the UK for failing to activate A50, now you wish for it to be mired in uncertainty and killed by a thousand cuts.


sun_tzu said:
Stolen from Facebook but

Suppose remain had won by a few percent and the government took that as Carte blanche to pursue hard remain and adopt the euro, insist on multilingual signs and banned using imperial measurements

The brexiteers would have gone (rightly) ape shit
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If joining the Euro had been part of Remain's pitch, your comparison might have at least had some validity. As it is however...

You would also have to factor include a Leave dominated Commons in your scenario, and their ignoring of a majority Europhile public for many years.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
Same here, have family in the UK who voted leave, not a peep either, although I did try to stop talking about it some time ago with them to avoid family arguments.
They won't say anything unless or until it all goes wrong and then they'll blame the EU for being vindictive or immigrants for still being there or whoever they can blame for their own decision.
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They'll blame the remainers for not rolling up their sleeves enough to give it a jolly good go.
 
Paul the Wolf said:
How divided will the UK become as time elapses over the coming months and years
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Much much more, given we are not even close to actually leaving yet!

Expect a major schism clause on the day clause 50 is actually activated and several more smaller but significant ones after that, once newsworthy fall out decisions get announced.

I think £1 < €1 & $1 is a genuine reality coming up.
 
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"However, those who opted to Leave have stronger feelings of remorse about their vote. Whereas only 1% of Remainers regret their choice, 6% of Leavers do (a further 4% are undecided, compared with 1% of Remain voters). That would have been enough to have changed the outcome of the referendum to a win for Remain. The theory that many Leavers voted as a protest against the political elite, as well as experts, gets more credibility from the study. Leaver remorse is strongest among those who didn’t expect their side to win: one in ten of them regret their vote."

http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2016/10/daily-chart-6
 
Shinehead Dred said:
You speak the truth sir. I am one of the many you speak of who had no real idea what the ecomical implications of an in or out vote would mean for the country. I have to be totally honest and say that it is only by reading through this thread ( so it's probably why I'm a little behind where you guys are at. Believe it or not I've probably read through most of the pages on this thread!) that I'm actually really understanding the ramifications of the whole eu debate. I had to learn from real people who are actually discussing and presenting the reasons behind Brexit and the possible dangers or benefits.

I felt I was left with two stark choices. One was to remain and try to solidify what was already a pretty influential position. The other was to leave because we wanted more control over immigration and border control because our NHS, jobs, homes and very Britishness was under attack.

Now my family were one of many immigrants (from former British colonies) who were invited to help rebuild Britain after the second world war. They worked long, hard hours in often hostile environments to contribute to the Great in Britain. I grew up being aware and enjoyed the benefits of my parents culture whilst being essentially being English. I ate rice and peas on Sunday and fish and chips from a newspaper on Friday night like most English families. I feel as English/British as the next man.

For me the choice was simple. I felt a vote to leave would be an insult to people like my parents and the benefits of free movement. I absolutely hated the rhetoric coming from the leavers and didn't particularly fancy the faces of either side. I mean Fecking David Cameron was meant to be my champion!!! Jeez!!!

No I voted on my moral code, principles and gut instinct. No great political insight because it was never presented as such or in a manner that the average person could understand.

For what it's worth based on what I've read and learnt on here (and am therefore becoming more engaged in) it seems that my decision was right at least.
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This post pleases me.
 
Rams said:
I think people are starting to realize that Britain are up shit creak without a paddle.
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Yes, and it's not really any comfort to be able to say "I told you so".
MoskvaRed said:
No, not only on here - people in the real world who are trying to deal with the inplications of this mess.
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I was only yesterday talking about it to a friend who has been living and working here in Italy with his family for years now. His teenage kids have done most of their schooling here, but they're not Italian citizens. The cost of everything is just steadily climbing for Brits now, both at home and abroad.
 
sun_tzu said:
Hard Brexit or no Brexit...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-37650077
At this rate I think there will have to be another referendum on the terms of exit because I'm sure a lot of people are going to have legitimate concerns about that
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In his speech, Mr Tusk mocked a Brexit campaign promise that Britons could "have the EU cake and eat it too" - the idea that the UK might manage to keep trade benefits of EU membership while barring European immigrants and rejecting EU courts' authority.

"To all who believe in it, I propose a simple experiment. Buy a cake, eat it, and see if it is still there on the plate.
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:lol: I didn't know that Tusk has such a great sense of humor.

It'll be interesting how the approval and costs of new medicines will be affected by Brexit. Right now, the majority of new drugs are approved on a European level through the European Medicines Agency. Workload of evaluation is shared among member states' agencies, and MHRA took a good chunk of it (and got paid for) which of course will post-Brexit be withdrawn, and EU27 member states need to up their resources. However, if MHRA must approve all new medicine applications on their own, it is likely approval times and fees will substantially go up.

Also, a couple of countries are salivating to become the new home of EMA (currently located in London but to be relocated): Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, Germany, France, Poland, Spain.... I expect that a couple of pharmaceutical companies will move their European HQs over time to the continent, too.
 
Crossie said:
Also, a couple of countries are salivating to become the new home of EMA (currently located in London but to be relocated): Ireland, Sweden, Denmark, Italy, Germany, France, Poland, Spain.... I expect that a couple of pharmaceutical companies will move their European HQs over time to the continent, too.
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Almost certainly on the big pharma moving hq's or at a minimum up scaling what they do in Europe and downsizing uk ops
Would they have to delist from London stock exchange if they moved... if so that may slow them down a little
 
sun_tzu said:
Almost certainly on the big pharma moving hq's or at a minimum up scaling what they do in Europe and downsizing uk ops
Would they have to delist from London stock exchange if they moved... if so that may slow them down a little
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Leave the board in London in an office that does nothing other than count beans and shift all the manufacture offshore in the short term would be my bet. After 120 years of UK manufacturing my company closed their final UK manufacturing site last week but is still a UK PLC with a head office in London, all of the real work goes on in Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, Slovakia and the US though.
 
Bury Red said:
Leave the board in London in an office that does nothing other than count beans and shift all the manufacture offshore in the short term would be my bet. After 120 years of UK manufacturing my company closed their final UK manufacturing site last week but is still a UK PLC with a head office in London, all of the real work goes on in Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, Slovakia and the US though.
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A great deal of manufacturing has been moved during the last decades anyway. I was more referring to the jobs which you just need offices for, no plants or labs; I think that's what you're referring to in your last sentence, right? These jobs will be further moved towards the continent or elsewhere.
 
Stanley Road said:
Do you actively seek to talk about it or do people you know just start moaning when you see them?
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It's one of the first topics of conversation with almost everyone Stan, you'd think we didn't have weather in the UK any more. It's all I hear with my EU and American colleagues as well who are all fascinated by how we could make such a monumentally stupid decision.

Of the Brits it's mostly remainers asking the same question to be fair although I do hear a fair few more "kick 'em out" banter type speeches when out and a few disillusioned Brexit voters who didn't think they would win and were only making a token protest vote or those who believed it was a good idea but are beginning to realise they were duped, not least my sister in the steel fabrication industry who voted leave because the EU had killed the British steel industry but who is now starting to believe me when I point out that it was Cameron who put the nail in the coffin and the EU that were trying to confiscate his hammer.

You're one of the very few who I'd count as having similar political views to myself who seems to sit on the other side of the fence to me but as you admit, you didn't have any horses in the race other than potentially cheaper holidays and the chance to give the tories and the EU a bloody nose. We're both similar in our views that Britain was largely fecked before Brexit and had been sliding steadily for most of our lives and both loathe the right wing of politics, bureaucracy, big business and the ever widening gulf between the haves and have nots. The only difference is that I still have friends and family here who I don't wish to see suffer amid the stupidity, I still have the last shreds of hope that things could improve here and rather stupidly I moved back because family finally won out over work and a life in the sun (which never suited my complexion anyway).
 
Bury Red said:
Leave the board in London in an office that does nothing other than count beans and shift all the manufacture offshore in the short term would be my bet. After 120 years of UK manufacturing my company closed their final UK manufacturing site last week but is still a UK PLC with a head office in London, all of the real work goes on in Holland, France, Germany, Belgium, Hungary, Slovakia and the US though.
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Makes sense... I'm part of a Dutch group... we will certainly be scaling back uk exposure (and jobs)
 
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