Well done to the Tories for delivering Brexit to save all the people in the UK and only killing 100,000+ along the way!
Brexited | the worst threads live the longest
- Thread starter Silva
- Start date
The ones that count.
There's very little opposition to it. Only the staunch remainers are still making noises against it nowadays.
There will be teething issues because the changes are huge. However, I thought the transition period would throw up a lot more problems than what we're currently seeing.
Remainers are also surprised at the way it's turning out, but they just won't admit it because they want it to fail desperately.
The deal is not perfect. The services, fishing, and Northern Ireland situation isn't great, and we are seeing some trade import export issues that need addressing.
Trade freedom, freedom from EU law etc. It will take time to see the long term benefits of free trade. Voting to leave the EU was not about personal instant benefit.
The pharmaceuticals produced the vaccine, that's a little obvious.
You know that brexit enabled the government to order the vaccines early, get it approved, and start vaccinating.
The EU is way behind. EU states are furious at the incompetence of the European Commission's handling of the vaccine process. Their order with AstraZeneca came in three months after the UK's order.
Now the EU is panicking. They didn't anticipate problems, and are shifting the blame for their own incompetence. Now the EU is demanding that the AstraZeneca doses manufactured in the UK to fulfill UK orders, be sent to Brussels.
This is a prime example of just how untrustworthy the EU is. Being free of that lot has meant that my parents have been vaccinated three weeks ago. That's one very clear (possibly life saving) benefit of leaving the EU.
I'm happy.
Let's ignore all the other lies you've swallowed and focus on this basic point. Again.
What EU laws didn't you like?
Will you answer this time or ignore like usual?
again
You clearly know that the UK was still in the EU when this all happened and that any member state could have done the same.
Gerronwivit!
3rd biggest population in Europe, number one in deaths! Go Britain! Punching above our weight as always!
The one where UK companies have to fill in custom's declarations, phytosanitary certificates, veterinary certificates paying duties, tariffs , VAT to name but a few.
Whoops, that's because the UK left the EU.
Speaking of majority, leavers only won by a majority of 2%, right? sucks to be the 48% i guess, because the leavers like to pretend remainers didn't make up 48% of the population who actually voted nor acknowledge they even exist.
What would be really interesting is if the Brexit poll was more accurate and not misleading.
How many % want hard brexit?
How many % want soft brexit within common market and shengen?
How many % want soft brexit without common market but with shengen?
How many % want soft brexit with common market but without shengen?
How many % want soft brexit with neither common market nor shengen but with FTA?
etc etc etc the possible combinations, including fisheries, services, etc.
How many % want to remain?
Suddenly you realise brexit doesn't exist. It is a mythical unicorn. So a majority actually voted to remain.
Even if we discard all these issues, an argument could be made that any decision with such huge impact on the country, should only be allowed if more than 65% or 75% voted for it. Like how amendments to a constitution are made. But no. Millions upon millions will now suffer the consequences due to that unicorn and that 2% majority.
What would be really interesting is if the Brexit poll was more accurate and not misleading.
How many % want hard brexit?
How many % want soft brexit within common market and shengen?
How many % want soft brexit without common market but with shengen?
How many % want soft brexit with common market but without shengen?
How many % want soft brexit with neither common market nor shengen but with FTA?
etc etc etc the possible combinations, including fisheries, services, etc.
How many % want to remain?
Suddenly you realise brexit doesn't exist. It is a mythical unicorn. So a majority actually voted to remain.
Even if we discard all these issues, an argument could be made that any decision with such huge impact on the country, should only be allowed if more than 65% or 75% voted for it. Like how amendments to a constitution are made. But no. Millions upon millions will now suffer the consequences due to that unicorn and that 2% majority.
All understandable.
But the referendum happened in 2016. And we are out of the EU. Full stop.
Let's focus on the future and not try and re-run the past.
He’s just responding to a poster saying “but the majority of people voted for it”, which isn’t even true.
Last edited:
You've found your Daily Express reader in VBS
Even the vaccine is becoming a distasteful them and us scenario.
For goodness sake. We are all human beings. And every life matters.
We will collectively only overcome this terrible pandemic when we are all suitability vaccinated because we all know how rapidly it can spread globally.
The only law I've seen us looking at changing so far are reducing (sorry, "reviewing") workers rights including 48 hour weeks, holiday entitlements and overtime pay. They've had to backtrack when everyone saw what they were trying to do. Trusting our government without oversight from the EU is actually the thing that scares me the most long term.
Unfortunately, the ramifications of the lies sold that day are still impacting people today and will continue to impact people for the forseeable future. So those complaining about getting on with it and harping on about how they had the majority, yada yada, (not you) maybe should be the ones getting on with it.
Exactly. Thank you.
You think it is done? 29 days in. How cute.
Now that is forensic!
Oh, I thought you were joking earlier.
It must be fun to be so deluded. Ignorance is bliss.
I think it’s still important to debate though, especially when the campaign and the current government have told a lot of lies to people and sold ideas with half truths and falsehoods.
otherwise when the next GE rolls around people still dont question what they are being told in campaigns and the Tory lie machine rolls on. The public need to kill this culture of political lies
It's not a case of liking or disliking EU laws, it's the freedom to be fully independent.
again
You clearly know that the UK was still in the EU when this all happened and that any member state could have done the same.
Yes indeed. So why didn't independent states act on their own?
They trusted the EU.
I'm sure the freedom to fill in trade forms is much appreciated.
You are no more fully independent now than you were a year ago. You are not even more or less sovereign.
You are correct , it has nothing to do with Brexit but is being used as a political weapon and everyone should work together for the benefit of the whole world.
Legislation will come under scrutiny as trade deals are reviewed. Particularly small businesses will seek to benefit from possible cutting of red tape. We shall see. It is still very early days.
So I take it you cant name any, then?
You do realize that Brexit adds red tapes? It's a by-product of not being in a custom union/agreement.
Sorry but you think this CUTS red tape?! This is destroying small business because of the mountains of paperwork that they now have to encounter, which is a consequence of leaving the customs union etc.
We've only just completed the transition period. I think it was the tampon tax that was the first EU law abolished. A sovereign act, yes?
You obviously do not understand why there is the red tape, you voted for the red tape and it's not going away. Well done.
Possible cutting of red tape? They are being advised by government figures to spend more money, registering another company in Europe, paying taxes back to the EU, costing the British citizen more money. Brilliant. Vote brexit and it’ll be sooo easy to trade and make more money. Reality: spend money setting up in Europe and paying taxes to EU. The irony.
No it's a legal act. If you weren't sovereign brexit wouldn't be a thing.
I'm talking about standards
What's that got to do with trading with the EU or the rest of the world come to that, the UK is no longer in any custom's union whatsoever , the biggest mistake of all. If you change your standards as well there'll be even more red tape.
I'm talking about standards
Can you give us a practical example?
It's a stupid question.
We've spent decades aligned with the EU. As we dethatch and go our separate way, we are free to legislate our own rules as and when they're beneficial.
You cannot say that a particular EU law is bad, if it is a requirement for full alignment.
Why do people bother with this guy? Look what he said all the way back in 2016
again
You clearly know that the UK was still in the EU when this all happened and that any member state could have done the same.
They couldn't, though.
27 member states (all bar the UK) signed up to EU collective bargaining for vaccine supply and a common approval process. The sign off for each vaccine has to be done by each of the 27 and then by the overarching European Medicines Agency. If any of the 27 want to use a non-EU preferred vaccine such as Russia's Sputnik, they can go it alone, which is what Hungary are doing.
Inevitably, the EU process has been bureaucratic and slow, with a focus on price rather than speed.
The situation has been neatly summed up by Bild, a German cornerstone newspaper. Here's what it is saying today, courtesy of the Guido Fawkes Order Order website.
“What did these three do better?” screams Bild’s headline under Netanyahu, Boris and Trump. The text makes it clear:
“Since the beginning of the corona pandemic, this trio has been silently mocked and ridiculed by the German government and the EU Commission. When it came to getting vaccinated, they put Berlin and Brussels in the shade [they] have the most successful vaccination campaigns in the western world on their feet. The fact is: as of January 26, Israel had 32% of its citizens vaccinated against the corona virus at least once. In Great Britain it was at least 10.6%, in the USA 6%. For comparison: Germany has 2%, the entire EU has 1.9%. …
The loss of German confidence was not helped when the first German vaccinated was vaccinated in England. This humiliation is reconfirmed in the breathless copy of Peter Wilke, Bild’s UK reporter, exclaiming that whilst he had not received a vaccination appointment in his home town of Mühlheim, he was shocked to get an SMS text from the NHS, “Suddenly I got a vaccination appointment in England!”
Undoubtedly, the Government has made some poor decisions regarding the pandemic but I don't see how anyone can reasonably criticise their handling of the vaccination programme. We're also one of the biggest donors to worldwide efforts to stop the pandemic in developing nations.
Why do people bother with this guy? Look what he said all the way back in 2016
I remember perfectly well, just a bit of fun. He'll be over the moon when he has his next period.
You literally contradict yourself.