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[MadMike]

The repercussions of her actions were that his tweet was seen by more people and garnered a greater reaction, both positive and negative. I don't see what's inherently wrong with that given he willingly put forward that opinion on twitter himself, presumably in the desire for it to be seen by a large public audience. I find the idea that she did him a disservice by highlighting something he wanted highlighted strange.

I'm still slightly critical of Kuenssberg, but since the guy tweeted it by tagging the hospital and replying to a Mirror article, less than before. The way I take it is that he wanted this to come back to him and take the credit for it.

At best she'd have given someone the exposure he sought and at worst she'd have doxxed someone. So she stilled shouldn't have done it. But like I said in light of his tweets it's not as bad as I initially thought.

It's also the manner in which he pointed him out that's a bit off...

 

[Smores]

Yes, Grinner asked if he was being attacked and Damien provided examples. If you read through the replies to his tweet you will also see a lot of praise and well wishes from others, many of whom will have also been directed there via Kuenssberg's retweet. I'm arguing that her followers would have a varied reaction, not that none of them would react negatively.

The repercussions of her actions were that his tweet was seen by more people and garnered a greater reaction, both positive and negative. I don't see what's inherently wrong with that given he willingly put forward that opinion on twitter himself, presumably in the desire for it to be seen by a large public audience. I find the idea that she did him a disservice by highlighting something he wanted highlighted strange. It's not like his opinion was in any way shameful, or something he shouldn't put forward to a large audience. He didn't do anything wrong.

So you're no longer arguing that it's unreasonable to expect her to identify a negative response? Now we're on to oh well he put it on twitter so any abuse is his fault.

I wonder who should understand the consequences of national attention more, the BBCs chief political editor or a random guy currently with a sick newborn.

I mean this is all before you even get to her thinking it's relevant to flag his political leaning. We're now in a world where you can't be a concerned dad in hospital if you're also political. Dismissing someones opinion as well they're a lefty is daily mail level.

 

[sullydnl]

Someone posting something on twitter and it naturally getting picked up is completely different to the political editor of a world news service tweeting - He is a labour supporter and ''This is him here'' to over million people.

He had already been identified as a Labour supporter by the print media at that point though, including in an article he himself linked to his tweets. It's not like she outed him in some way, or made public something that he himself didn't make public first.

 

[sullydnl]

So you're no longer arguing that it's unreasonable to expect her to identify a negative response? Now we're on to oh well he put it on twitter so any abuse is his fault.

I wonder who should understand the consequences of national attention more, the BBCs chief political editor or a random guy currently with a sick newborn.

Surely the consequence of national attention was that a perfectly valid message he wanted put across got put across to a large audience? Again, the reaction hasn't just been negative, he has recieved a huge amount of support, praise and well wishes too.

And it's not like she invited national attention on to him, he was already over the TV and on news sites which he himself was highlighting. She just drew attention to his perfectly valid response to the national attention.

 

[sullydnl]

I'm still slightly critical of Kuenssberg, but since the guy tweeted it by tagging the hospital and replying to a Mirror article, less than before. The way I take it is that he wanted this to come back to him and take the credit for it.

At best she'd had have given someone the exposure he sought and at worst she'd have doxxed someone. So she stilled shouldn't have done it. But like I said in light of his tweets it's not as bad as I initially thought.

It's also the manner in which he pointed him out that's a bit off...

Now this I certainly agree with, her phrasing on her tweet was poor and made it read like she was directing attention to a person rather than that person's reaction.

 

[Grinner]

"Turns out the man who challenged the PM is also a Labour activist"

What do you take this phrase to mean? That sounds like 'gotcha' to me.

 

[NinjaFletch]

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

"Turns out the man who challenged the PM is also a Labour activist"

What do you take this phrase to mean? That sounds like 'gotcha' to me.

Yeah it reads like it's some big secret. Like she's uncovered some remarkable twist to the story.

The BBC called the complaints Absurd though and referred to the man at the hospital as a Labour activist rather than a concerned member of the public so they're clearly doubling down on it.

 

[Sassy Colin]

I quite like this. Seems like a real thing I can get behind.

Spoiler

I reckon she likes it up the wrong'un.

 

[SteveJ]

 

[WensleyMU]

Giving her the benefit of doubt, it was a naive thing to do in the current climate. However it would be unfair for her to be punished, let alone sacked for it. That's just mob mentality, the very thing people are complaining she is unleashing on him.

Considering everything else going on today, this has been massively blown out of proportion.

 

[SteveJ]

Giving her the benefit of doubt, it was a naive thing to do in the current climate. However it would be unfair for her to be punished, let alone sacked for it. That's just mob mentality, the very thing people are complaining she is unleashing on him.

Considering everything else going on today, this has been massively blown out of proportion.

Implementing damage control for the Prime Mnister isn't supposed to be her job.

 

[WensleyMU]

Implementing damage control for the Prime Mnister isn't supposed to be her job.

If that was her intention then she hasn't done a great job of it.

 

[mariachi-19]

The fecking idiot who posted that tweet. If none of that is true, I would sue the fecking pants off him.

 

[Grinner]

The fecking idiot who posted that tweet. If none of that is true, I would sue the fecking pants off him.

Read it again and think about it.....

 

[mariachi-19]

Read it again and think about it.....

I would entirely argue that tweet was directed to discredit and defame "the man in the video" otherwise the final comment would have been at the start of the tweet.

Secondly, if the tweet was not made in order to defame and rather legitimately seek clarification on the above issues, why not go through private means? 90% of people reading that tweet couldnt even careless about the final line, the top half has already made its impact.

 

[Rams]

The fecking idiot who posted that tweet. If none of that is true, I would sue the fecking pants off him.

But Boris DID do all those things...

 

[mariachi-19]

But Boris DID do all those things...

Oh, I thought he was talking about oldmate in there with his daughter. I've no idea about the history of Boris as im not english.

 

[SteveJ]

He's been sacked more often than ancient Rome.

 

[Rams]

Oh, I thought he was talking about oldmate in there with his daughter. I've no idea about the history of Boris as im not english.

It’s the famous British sarcastic & ironic humor being put on display.

 

[sammsky1]

Terrible statement. Not even a hollow apology acknowledging that they understand why people may have perceived it in a negative fashion. To be perfectly honest, I think it was naive and ill-advised and indicative of her bias, but I do not think it was worthy of any substantial punishment. A slap on the wrist and a warning to be more careful and considerate in the future would have been an appropriate consequence. The BBC's response is dire though. Sums up how deep-rooted the problems are with that institution right now.

Their response will simply further aggravate those who complained.

Reading replies to the BBC statement tweet, they have have poured oil and not water onto what was a small fire ... who knows where it blows upto now ...

If I were a Labour PR man, I'd be making hay tonight!

 

[Brwned]

I think the mainstream media do an unpleasant but necessary job, and in that context the BBC are pretty good. Kuenssberg's deference to the govt. is particularly egregious though.

 

[Rams]

Their response will simply further aggravate those who complained.

Reading replies to the BBC statement tweet, they have have poured oil and not water onto what was a small fire ... who knows where it blows upto now ...

If I were a Labour PR man, I'd be making hay tonight!

Kuenssberg.. Jesus man, irony maybe?

 

[sammsky1]

Giving her the benefit of doubt, it was a naive thing to do in the current climate. However it would be unfair for her to be punished, let alone sacked for it. That's just mob mentality, the very thing people are complaining she is unleashing on him.

Considering everything else going on today, this has been massively blown out of proportion.

You only have these views because of your bias. It's sad because you end up endorsing really disgusting behaviour. Try and be neutral, it is possible.

#sacklaurakuenssberg is blowing up like crazy on twitter and Facebook. Are these all 'Labour activists' too?

Her position is now made untenable because now lacks credibility: she is crudely biased and abuses her power. She should be sacked, and I wouldn't be surprised if she is. I reckon she'll be lucky to survive the week.

 

[sglowrider]

 

[Berbasbullet]

Implementing damage control for the Prime Mnister isn't supposed to be her job.

Exactly, she’s not supposed to be the PMs spin doctor.

In fact she has taken the story away from Boris being caught lying AGAIN!

He literally can’t go through a single conversation without lying.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Not really seeing how Kuenssberg could be seen to have breached journalistic standards here?

She's retweeted a tweet from a political activists twitter account, which is a public platform. He's put it out there specifically to influence political narrative, which seems the sole intent of his Twitter account as a whole.

This is pretty funny, if you type her name into google the second most searched term after kuenssberg twitter is kuenssberg johnson affair

Pretty much sums up a certain faction and their obsession with her.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Not really seeing how Kussenberg could be seen to have breached journalistic standards here?

She's retweeted a tweet from a political activists twitter account, which is a public platform. He's put it out there specifically to influence political narrative, which seems the sole intent of his Twitter account as a whole.

Why is she focusing on the political background of the man in question instead of the PM once again being caught lying?

And this time directly to a member of the publics face? Surely that is the news story here? A man who has repeatedly got himself in trouble for being a complete liar is caught lying again.

As I've said before, I hope every time we get some right wing crackpot on BBC talking about how we need to leave the EU immediately or how much they hate Corbyn she shows similar interest and reports their political backgrounds too.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Why is she focusing on the political background of the man in question instead of the PM once again being caught lying?

Where is she focusing on his background?

He wants to have his say on the event and use it in a political way so why is giving him a bigger platform a problem?

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

Where is she focusing on his background?

He wants to have his say on the event and use it in a political way so why is giving him a bigger platform a problem?

Tweeting "turns out the guy is a labour activist" as @Grinner said is like her saying Gotcha! Like it's some big twist to the story.

And then "this is him here" and linking his account for all the right wing nutjobs to pile onto him. It's just so unprofessional and it screams of Johnson getting his journalist pals to help him out.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Tweeting "turns out the guy is a labour activist" as @Grinner said is like her saying Gotcha! Like it's some big twist to the story.

And then "this is him here" and linking his account for all the right wing nutjobs to pile onto him. It's just so unprofessional and it screams of Johnson getting his journalist pals to help him out.

That's a fair point and it looks like she's deleted it? Is it a breach in journalistic standards though?

 

[nickm]

If ap

Tweeting "turns out the guy is a labour activist" as @Grinner said is like her saying Gotcha! Like it's some big twist to the story.

And then "this is him here" and linking his account for all the right wing nutjobs to pile onto him. It's just so unprofessional and it screams of Johnson getting his journalist pals to help him out.

Amazing that some people can interpret events like this.

Asking “Who is that guy going at the PM like that” is normal for a journalist. That he “turns out to be a labour activist” is noteworthy, factual but not central.

I wonder what you lot would be saying if it’d been prime minister Jezza and the outraged person had been a Tory activist. Would you still have regarded his tweets and affiliation as not newsworthy?

 

[nickm]

the “this is him here” linked to what he was saying about it. She was quoting his public comments not inviting a pile on. I mean come on.

 

[nickm]

Why is she focusing on the political background of the man in question instead of the PM once again being caught lying?

How who what why when where.

She was doing the “who”.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

If ap


Amazing that some people can interpret events like this.

I wonder what you lot would be saying if it’d been prime minister Jezza and the outraged person had been a Tory activist. Would you still have regarded his tweets and affiliation as not newsworthy?

I don't think there's any debate to be had that retweeting him was 100% proper. She actually gave him the platform he wanted. I do think there's a more nuanced question over the use of 'turns out he's a Labour activist' and if that was an overstep of impartiality.

That said, if you're retweeting his Twitter then its a fact that it's pretty hard to get away from and it was always going to blow up into one of those lovely Twitter political storms, regardless of what she did.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

If ap


Amazing that some people can interpret events like this.

Asking “Who is that guy going at the PM like that” is normal for a journalist. That he “turns out to be a labour activist” is noteworthy, factual but not central.

I wonder what you lot would be saying if it’d been prime minister Jezza and the outraged person had been a Tory activist. Would you still have regarded his tweets and affiliation as not newsworthy?

Well I can guarantee if that does happen Kuenssberg won't be tweeting the outraged person is a Tory that's for sure.

 

[nickm]

I don't think there's any debate to be had that retweeting him was 100% proper.

I agree with you although around here a journalist retweeting - or you know, quoting -the actual explanation in his own words from the person at the centre of the story, is apparently biased and inviting a pile on.

Possibly political activists or the strongly politically committed see so much of this kind of twitter behaviour they see it even when it isn’t there.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

How who what why when where.

She was doing the “who”.

You not think the PM being caught blatantly lying, again, is the bigger story?

No, I'm sure you don't.

 

[Smores]

Some of you have a very weird defensive relationship with Kuessenberg for the life of my i can't guess why.

It would be ridiculous to sack her over this alone but it was another poor bit of journalism from her. She's a poor journalist and certainly not impartial and has far superior colleagues in her midst but she's there for a political purpose.

If you take a second to look at the tweets this isn't just Corbynites attacking her it's the wider public and for good reason.

 

[Djemba-Djemba]

That's a fair point and it looks like she's deleted it? Is it a breach in journalistic standards though?

I'm not sure it would be enough for a breach of journalistic standards, although lets be honest what standards are they these days.

For me it's more that she's so clearly biased towards the right and particularly Boris Johnson and this is just another in a long line of examples of her doing something like this.

She's a senior political journalist for the BBC, she should at least try and look impartial.