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It's fitting that, in an era when we're told of people's feelngs mattering more than facts, Johnson's apparent defence for his reckless actions & attitudes is 'Well, I'm emotional and exasperated.'
Also I didn't compare Remain vs Leave, so your point is a bit strange. What I did is point to the fact that the people trying to change the status quo are not the type of people that works for the commoners interest. That statement is limited to leave because leave voters have been sold the idea that Brexit is partially about sticking it to the capitalist EU. These donators interests are relatively clear and are very much capitalistic.
I agree to go and get fecked
So looking at the top 10 doners
3 on the remain side have links to hedge funds... Harding, coombs and law
2 on the leave side ... Hoskin and odey
About half a million in total more for leave ... But a higher % of contributions for remain
It clearly shows there are hedge funds on both sides and overall were certainly not a majority and not even particularly large in overall campaign funding ... Certainly less than Aron banks and lord Salisbury who between them selves accounted for about 48% of the spending of the top 10 doners to each side (£12.3m out of £25.6m)
It's certainly not harmless - unlike the wealth we're perennially promised, that kind of language trickles down & is then employed by racist morons.
What passes for wit amongst the upper classes mght be harmless within their own circles (and even that's arguable), as it's confined; without, though, it often has real-life, negative consequences for its targets.
What passes for wit amongst the upper classes mght be harmless within their own circles (and even that's arguable), as it's confined; without, though, it often has real-life, negative consequences for its targets.
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It was amusing to me because of the image it put in my head: of these women maurading as bank robbers; when in fact they choose to dress this way as an expression of their morals and purity.
Many Muslims found it funny. We can laugh at ourselves and not everything has to be a big deal. It’s no problem. From that context, I don’t think BJ meant it as Islamophobia, even though it can easily be presented as such. Hence my post.
What happens to the 21 rebel Tories now? As Boris plans his "12 days of glory - or his Alamo defence" (19th to 31st Oct)
This what I meant in my earlier post, what seems the right way to protest in your Youth, is usually not very effective, at least in the UK and can result in 'troublemaker' tag following you the rest of your life!
This what I meant in my earlier post, what seems the right way to protest in your Youth, is usually not very effective, at least in the UK and can result in 'troublemaker' tag following you the rest of your life!
Hmm. That’s a fair point, and a PM should bear that responsibility (as opposed to Gary Neville, whom some fans unfairly accused of enabling racism!).
It's a credit to you that you can laugh about it, mate.
I don't see him refusing... It's a criminal offence and presumably if he refused he would still want to fight a ge on a hard brexit manifesto which would be difficult if he's also being prosecuted as he might be forced to resign as an MP anyway.
Far more likley he resigns (as pm but not as conservative leader) on 19th
Presumably the queen then calls for Corbyn to try to form a government ... And that might prove difficult and all the while the clock ticks down to 31st... Quite possible Mays deal ends up being approved as the only viable option.
If that happens there will be a ge and he will campaign on hard brexit at the end of the transition period and blaming other parties
If somebody is found who can carry a majority most probably they get the extension through then call a ge anyway at which point he campaigns on hard brexit in January and no further negotiations with the EU till we are out... All other parties will Have to campaign on either revoke or an extra extension (to allow a referendum and / or renegotiation)
Then it's very much I wanted out so much I would quit... And a full on pact with farrage and the brexit bunch
It's not how he wants to get there but ultimately it ends in an election with a hard brexit manifesto and blaming the EU / remoaners for everything
There is also Cruddas and I seem to remember John Armitage. Again I'm not sure about the reason behind the comparison between Remain and Leave, I don't think that I said anything positive about Remain donators or that their support was altruistic. What is clear though is that Finance and seemingly its regulation played a big part in the push for Leave. Now if you want to discuss the reason why these Remain donators supported remain, it could be due to the influence that they currently have as lobbyists in Brussels which could be lost/diminished with Brexit.
The point being that either way, none of that is to the benefit of the average man which should make him suspicious.
As a Muslim, Remainer, Labour voter and Manchester United fan, applying humour is just about the only way to remain sane these days
I suspect Boris is seeking martyrdom, he is preparing to wear the hair-shirt, but although he has more or less marched himself up the gallows steps and even allowed the noose to be placed around his neck, his final speech before asking his enemies to pull the lever will continuing long enough for him to hear as the trap door opens on the 31st Oct. "They cannot take our freedom we are out of the EU with no deal"....arrrgh!
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Boris is so brave that he ran away to Afghanistan rather than take part in the Heathrow expansion vote.I suspect Boris is seeking martyrdom, he is preparing to wear the hair-shirt, but although he has more or less marched himself up the gallows steps and even allowed the noose to be placed around his neck, his final speech before asking his enemies to pull the lever will continuing long enough for him to hear as the trap door opens on the 31st Oct. "They cannot take our freedom we are out of the EU with no deal"....arrrgh!
Boris is so brave that he ran away to Afghanistan rather than take part in the Heathrow expansion vote.
So he lived to fight another day ... this now is his day. Boris's record in office as PM is abysmal, he has tore the Tory party asunder, lost umpteen votes in the house (hasn't won one!), had his brother do an Etu Brutus on him, etc. therefore the only thing to rescue his legacy is now is to die a (political) death as a Brexit hero...with his boots! or dead in a ditch
Our prime minister sent a letter to party members that he is going to break the law.
We have turned into the USA.
We have turned into the USA.
Mays deal has zero chance of passing before the 31st. Not enough time to pass everything even without any progogation. You can take that to the bank, and by the bank I mean one of those Swiss obs, not Bear Stearns.
I think he could well resign though; in that case, who would attend the EU summit on 18th if no alternative government is found? Her Majesty? The speaker? I have no clue.
If he doesn't refuse the legislation, it's happening. [unless the eu reject it]. After that, it's all about the election. Labour have time to coalesce around a position now though, and Boris looks more clueless and less statesman like by the day. Rees Mogg is also causing him major voter problems. And the Tory rebels are digging him a grave each new day.
All about optics now, which look worse by the day for him, but Lab/Lib could still feck it up badly.
One would think that if Boris was such a great negotiator and deal maker he'd manage to negotiate a GE with a chlorinated chicken...
Can't even do that.
Can't even do that.
He's all talk, mate - he promised to lie in front of the Heathrow bulldozers.So he lived to fight another day ... this now is his day. Boris's record in office as PM is abysmal, he has tore the Tory party asunder, lost umpteen votes in the house (hasn't won one!), had his brother do an Etu Brutus on him, etc. therefore the only thing to rescue his legacy is now is to die a (political) death as a Brexit hero...with his boots! or dead in a ditch
Really. What a wonderful example for the PM to set to the country.
To my very simple mind, no one should be able to choose which law to break and which to obey.
His morales absolutely stink.
I have zero respect for him.
As a Muslim, Remainer, Labour voter and Manchester United fan, applying humour is just about the only way to remain sane these days
Well said Sammski. I like your style.
Well that'll impress the judge...
Interesting time for Corbyn too. He's playing well at the moment, but he knows the seat of power comes from Momentum which are heavily remain. I think a year or so ago, he'd have dared defy them and the MP's, but the closer he comes to government the more pragmatic he's becoming. Not sure if this is due to the influence of McDonnell or why else, but he's certainly being less 'fringey' and impulsive with his comments, actions, and policies. He needs to keep that up and keep listening to advice.
You always wonder when he'll just have enough and do something rash, though I start to get the feeling he's becoming more tempered.
Not sure what others views are on this?
You always wonder when he'll just have enough and do something rash, though I start to get the feeling he's becoming more tempered.
Not sure what others views are on this?
All this nonsense that he will break the law is just that nonsense. Most likely the above is what he is planning, either a well-timed resignation, or go the vote of no confidence route. Presumably during prorogation. I assume if he resigns, his deputy PM would also have to, not sure how this Benn law binds the govt- would it just go to the last minister left standing?
He's all talk, mate - he promised to lie in front of the Heathrow bulldozers.
Yes of course, its his signature tune, Boris the unreliable, the buffoon, the liar, etc. but lets face it he may be all those things but he's not stupid. Without Brexit (and you could argue without Corbyn) would Boris ever have become PM? If Boris did by some miracle become PM in normal times, or even if he manages to ride this out, how long would he last as PM under normal political rules?
This is his one chance of greatest, his Churchill's "fight em' on the beaches" moment, go down in a blaze of glory, be remembered for ever! Its much too tempting for Boris, Cummings had it spot on!
Perhaps he's been warned about the consequences of going rogue against the party-line.
I think he might resign and make an enormously melodramatic speech about treachery, destiny and chickens etc. Then he'll tell us how he once had a cancer scare from sunbathing in St Tropez, hoping to impress Simon & the other judges with his sad story and riches-to-riches tale.
Possibly. A couple of months ago he seemed on his way out; now he's on best behaviour. It's working too, he's an effective campaigner and far more likeable like this. Begs the question about who is pulling his strings though. Must be very gentle nudging, he's not one to sit there quietly.
Not with Dominic Cummings (Machiavelli like) whispering in his ear, "Boris you have to have complete virtue ...or complete evil, to succeed which is it to be"? or maybe "you have come this far Boris, you will never get an invite to a Nick Soames dinner-party again, bridges are burning son, take the plunge".
Former director of Public Prosecutions says Boris could face Prison if he refused to delay
http://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...rexit-says-former-prosecutions-chief-11804290
http://news.sky.com/story/boris-joh...rexit-says-former-prosecutions-chief-11804290
Pretty sure he will go himself to grandstand and shout that the EU must drop the undemocratic backstop or he will quit to enact the will of the British people... Probably a few lines about how they would all be speaking German if it wasn't for the British army (with some added sabre rattling about the EU army)
He will become a martyr in the eyes of the majority of the country if that happens.
"Don't tell him, Pike!"
He’s not going to do anything that sends him to prison. He’ll fold at the last minute with some weak excuse just like he always has.
Wow, what a headline and photo opportunity that would provide Boris with "It is a far, far, better thing I do...etc." or "I go to my fate on behalf of the people". I can see Boris now in the 'Scrubs' doing his impression of the Noel Coward character in the Italian job, leading the chorus of "We are the self-preservation Society" as he marches down to his cell.
I'm half expecting him to use the who do you think your kidding mr macron (or Mrs merkle) line in a press conference at the summit
Dressed in a Union Jack suit!!