Television Breaking Bad

sullydnl said:
My reading was that he hadn't convinced him of it, he just convinced him to hear Jesse out. That's why after Jesse confessed Hank asked Gomez "Do you believe him?" and Gomez said "Unfortunately, I do" (or words to that effect).
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Yeah, it was obvious that Gomie was yet to be convinced. However, how did Hank convince Gomie to be in that room in the first place? Did he invite him around for a few Schraderbrau and magically dump Jesse and a camcorder on him instead? "You know that Heisenberg lad that I'm obsessed with? Well our friends Jesse may just know who that is..."

Ridiculous. That scene should have been crucial to understanding how fecked Hank was/is with Walt's confession tape. It would have been good to see Hank try to convince Gomez with the facts he had at hand and to see Gomez's reaction. Might Gomez have been suspicious of Hank? His behaviour in the last few weeks/months has been erratic to say the least. Gomez may well have had a 'Hank special' and had a "Eureka!" moment with minimal evidence and only suspicious behaviour to go on. Instead we're treated to a smiling Gomez with that glorious Latino goatee settling in for an interrogation of Jesse with absolutely no explanation as to how we got there.
 
Ever since the confession tape, I've been extremely interested to see how Hank cut the DEA into it (it was obvious he was going to contact one of Gomez or Merkert). I have been eager to see how Hank approached it and got them onside. I'm sure I'm not alone in mode of thinking, and I feel a little cheated that the writers chose to omit a scene of that magnitude.

It's a huge oversight on their behalves.
 
nahealai said:
Yeah, it was obvious that Gomie was yet to be convinced. However, how did Hank convince Gomie to be in that room in the first place? Did he invite him around for a few Schraderbrau and magically dump Jesse and a camcorder on him instead? "You know that Heisenberg lad that I'm obsessed with? Well our friends Jesse may just know who that is..."

Ridiculous. That scene should have been crucial to understanding how fecked Hank was/is with Walt's confession tape. It would have been good to see Hank try to convince Gomez with the facts he had at hand and to see Gomez's reaction. Might Gomez have been suspicious of Hank? His behaviour in the last few weeks/months has been erratic to say the least. Gomez may well have had a 'Hank special' and had a "Eureka!" moment with minimal evidence and only suspicious behaviour to go on. Instead we're treated to a smiling Gomez with that glorious Latino goatee settling in for an interrogation of Jesse with absolutely no explanation as to how we got there.
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I don't think it's that ridiculous. Gomez and Hank are friends, plus he had already seen Hank's theory about Fring get proven correct. If I was Gomez I'd certainly hear out whatever Hank had to say, Hank is awesome. Beyond that, the fact that Hank is willing to hear Jesse out and let him stay at his house would at least be intriguing for Gomez, considering how much Hank and Jesse hate each other.

Agree it might have been a nice scene but the series is moving at a hectic pace, they probably don't have time to show everything. I like it though, the intense pace makes it feel like everything is unravelling too quickly for Walt to control.
 
Yeah you make a good point there.

It's the sort of scene that whilst not crucial, would definitely have been there were it midway through an earlier season so you have to assume that they're pushed for time.

On the plus side Walt did a really good "Jessie!!" at the start of this episode. Still haven't got tired of leaving voice messages on peoples phones yet.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
It's the sort of scene that whilst not crucial, would definitely have been there were it midway through an earlier season so you have to assume that they're pushed for time.
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Precisely. There's no way the writers would have omitted that potential scene if they weren't pressed for time. Even for the reaction of Gomez alone to the news that Walt is Heisenberg should have been enough to secure the scene's place in the edit room. So far, the only central characters to the show who know that Walt is Heisenberg are Walt (obviously), Jesse, Skyler, Hank, Marie and now Gomez. The whole message of the show is to wonder how a school teacher can become a mass-murdering drug kingpin. A truly shocking transformation, and to those who know Walt, one which would be very difficult to believe at first.

Gomez is the only character on the show who knows Walt is Heisenberg without the audience seeing his reaction to this scarcely believable news. The fact that he's a DEA agent who has been hunting the elusive Heisenberg for over a year, this news should have been an absolute revelation to him yet we get nada.

Shoddy.
 
Do we know if Gomez knows about the tape? I wouldn't be sure that Hank would have showed it to him, but you would think he would to save any doubt of potentially lying through omission. I would assume he has showed him it, but was it said at anytime?

For Gomez to listen to Hank, his friend, boss and former partner isn't a stretch at all. Although I would have liked to see the scene where he told him about it.
 
nahealai said:
Precisely. There's no way the writers would have omitted that potential scene if they weren't pressed for time. Even for the reaction of Gomez alone to the news that Walt is Heisenberg should have been enough to secure the scene's place in the edit room. So far, the only central characters to the show who know that Walt is Heisenberg are Walt (obviously), Jesse, Skyler, Hank, Marie and now Gomez. The whole message of the show is to wonder how a school teacher can become a mass-murdering drug kingpin. A truly shocking transformation, and to those who know Walt, one which would be very difficult to believe at first.

Gomez is the only character on the show who knows Walt is Heisenberg without the audience seeing his reaction to this scarcely believable news. The fact that he's a DEA agent who has been hunting the elusive Heisenberg for over a year, this news should have been an absolute revelation to him yet we get nada.

Shoddy.
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I don't think we ever saw Marie's reaction to Hank telling her either, but I can let that pass as she'd only have got on everyone's nerves.
 
Saul is magnificent.

Didn't like how Hank told Gomez about Walt 'outside of the show'. Otherwise it was a nice episode.
 
I wonder, if Jesse told Walt Jr and Skylar everything Walt had done (including poisoning Brock), would Skylar still stand by Walt?

Trying to figure out what Jesse will do, he seemed to be saying he'd hit Walt where it really hurt. That's either family, money or pride, surely?
 
sullydnl said:
Trying to figure out what Jesse will do, he seemed to be saying he'd hit Walt where it really hurt. That's either family, money or pride, surely?
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I'd speculate that he's going to go after the empire Walt left behind- going after Todd and the Neo-Nazi run drug operation, since he knows about the Vamonos Pest cover.
 
I have to say, during that latest episode I did wonder how exactly Hank had managed to approach Gomez and convince him to come to the house and hear Jesse's story - however I feel like a lot of you guys just over analyse every little detail.

For me, it crossed my mind, but I didn't think about it again barely 30 seconds later and certainly didn't allow it to waste the enjoyment of watching the rest of the episode. I agree that in earlier seasons that issue may have been drawn out further and explored more and the writers may be rushed to finish off the story line in the remaining episodes, but just enjoy the show.

One of the great things about very minor gaps in the plot such as the Hank/Gomez issue is that you're able to sort of draw your own conclusions about what happened, as shown by some posters in this thread. Do you really need to be spoon-fed every last minute piece of information in order to know what's going on, or at least have an educated guess at things which may not be explicitly shown on screen?
 
JmRssll555 said:
I have to say, during that latest episode I did wonder how exactly Hank had managed to approach Gomez and convince him to come to the house and hear Jesse's story - however I feel like a lot of you guys just over analyse every little detail.

For me, it crossed my mind, but I didn't think about it again barely 30 seconds later and certainly didn't allow it to waste the enjoyment of watching the rest of the episode. I agree that in earlier seasons that issue may have been drawn out further and explored more and the writers may be rushed to finish off the story line in the remaining episodes, but just enjoy the show.

One of the great things about very minor gaps in the plot such as the Hank/Gomez issue is that you're able to sort of draw your own conclusions about what happened, as shown by some posters in this thread. Do you really need to be spoon-fed every last minute piece of information in order to know what's going on, or at least have an educated guess at things which may not be explicitly shown on screen?
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Ofcourse its still enjoyable, its a very entertaining show but the problems people point out relate to inconsistency. After watching 50 hours of it and becoming so invested in it we need to see it finished properly, not rushed.

The impression I got from watching last weeks episode with the confession tape was that Hank was on his own, no way would anybody at the DEA believe him.
I had a conversation with a mate the day before watching the most recent episode and we agreed the confession tape was absolutely genius for that reason, its very believable. We even discussed how Gomez would struggle to believe Hank, look at his change in character over the last year in the show, from the guy always laughing and cracking jokes to the miserable aggressive guy we see now. Hank is the only person in the office with any sort of determination to catch Heisenberg and its the only case we have ever seen him work on. We have seen him accuse Gus seemingly out of the blue, throw away a promotion to stay on the case, risk a sacking by pushing the case too much when he became Police Chief and recently take weeks off work but have everything Heisenberg related delivered to his house. And now were supposed to believe that Gomey buys that? on breaking bad?
 
I had a dream. I think it was next week's episode.

Walt and Jesse are in an airport. Walt rings Jesse to talk to him about things and regrettably explains that he has to do what he has to do. Camera focuses on Walt who has a sniper rifle. It's really foggy so it's left unknown if he killed him. The the guards are alerted. Walt gets shot at whole hiding. Again it remains unclear if he was hit, but he gets up and runs. I turned to a guy and said, jokingly, 'He's got a five star wanted level'. Then we've got a squad of fighter jets on the scene. The a fecking tank comes, and I start singing the Benny Hill theme. The tank is chasing Walt around what are essentially supermarket aisles. Oasis were playing.

Sorry if I've ruined the ending for you.
 
That's better than the breaking bad dream I had a few days ago that involved me directing a homoerotic music video for a song about Schraderbrau sung by Hank.
 
Liam147 said:
Well, hum, or just sing the tune. Kinda ruined the tone.
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Sorry.

Do you reckon Jesse's Idea of getting Walt involves Saul? I know that there is client-lawyer confidentiality, but some of that is Jesse's prerogative.
Is there anybody left with a grudge against Heisenberg, that he may be setting on him?
Is he going to let Skyler know the full extent of Walt's crimes?
I've not got a good memory, so there could be a precursor I've missed.
Maybe the Heisenberg graffiti at Walt's is about him being exposed by Jesse?

This is why I prefer multiple episodes watching in one go.:mad:
 
verminater said:
Sorry.

Do you reckon Jesse's Idea of getting Walt involves Saul? I know that there is client-lawyer confidentiality, but some of that is Jesse's prerogative.
Is there anybody left with a grudge against Heisenberg, that he may be setting on him?
Is he going to let Skyler know the full extent of Walt's crimes?
I've not got a good memory, so there could be a precursor I've missed.
Maybe the Heisenberg graffiti at Walt's is about him being exposed by Jesse?

This is why I prefer multiple episodes watching in one go.:mad:
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No. Saul fears Walt more than Jesse. We know Saul lives through it all, so he isn't going to do anything that could see him killed. Jesse knows this.
Not that I know of. Walt seems to be onside with Todd and co.
No. It's not his place. Hank will keep him in check.
I still think that's going to be some sort of mythical homage to him. The kids skateboarding in his pool look the sort to do that.
 
Finally caught up with the rest of you cnuts.

What an incredible show. Easily the best I've seen.

When's the next episode?
 
Bloody hell. From a minimum or 3 episodes a day to waiting for 5 days. Sigh.

Oh well, it's probably good given the show is almost finished.
 
The episode entitled Ozymandias is coming up after the next one (S05E14). Ozymandias being the poem narrated in the teaser preview prior to the airing of S05E09.

I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them, on the sand,
Half sunk, a shattered visage lies, whose frown,
And wrinkled lip, and sneer of cold command,
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamped on these lifeless things,
The hand that mocked them and the heart that fed:
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare
 
I've been thinking a lot about Jesse's line of warning, "I'm going to get you where you really live."

Anyone got a good idea what he's getting at? It could mean be one of several things potentially, but I haven't come up with anything which seems plausible yet really.
 
JmRssll555 said:
I've been thinking a lot about Jesse's line of warning, "I'm going to get you where you really live."

Anyone got a good idea what he's getting at? It could mean be one of several things potentially, but I haven't come up with anything which seems plausible yet really.
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Solius said:
I'm thinking his ego, or his family.
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Obviously he means his empire.
 
Jesse is going to frame himself as Heisenberg, and take the wrap for all the wrong doing.

That way Schrader gets off the hook, and Walt's tape is made to look stupid.
 
Watched a couple of episodes of 5a yesterday and noticed a couple of interesting things.

Maybe already discussed, well I know the second one is a bit. Nothing big I just thought it was interesting, a wee bit anyway.

1 - When Jesse comes to confront Walt about if he got to Mike (and Mike is in the boot of Walts car) Walt lies and says he's okay and Jesse then mentions the witnesses. When Walt shoots him down and Jesse is leaving they are looking at each other on the opposite side of the garage door. The next time this happens is when Walt turns up at Hanks about the tracker on his car. Only Walt is on the outside this time.

2 - When Hank learns that all his witnesses have been killed Walt is at his house when he gets home and tells Walt he's having a drink. Walt gets his on the rocks and Hank drinks his neat. I think the last time Walt was drinking with Mike it was Walt drinking it neat with Mike drinking it on the rocks.

Just a couple of almost opposite scenes but in similar circumstances.
 
Did anybody see the pink bear back in the last episode?

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I thought this image was photoshopped for some reason, but I watched it back and it's there. Completely missed that.
 
When Marie gave Jesse some coffee the mug said DEA, the handle of the mug made a D at the end.
 
Solius said:
When Marie gave Jesse some coffee the mug said DEA, the handle of the mug made a D at the end.
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There were some interesting books on the shelf he was looking at too. "The Final Days, Deadwood, Destiny, The Rat, Big Secrets, Rainbows End".
 
I've decided now that I want everyone who stands in Walt's way to die. I don't buy all this stuff about how "you're not getting the show if you like Walt!1"; awesome TV characters don't make you think rationally. :D
 
KingEric7 said:
I've decided now that I want everyone who stands in Walt's way to die. I don't buy all this stuff about how "you're not getting the show if you like Walt!1"; awesome TV characters don't make you think rationally. :D
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I am firmly in Walt's camp as well, mate. Emphatically so. Upon re-watching the entire thing again only a few weeks ago, things bothered me about Hank that never bothered me the first time around, e.g. his treatment of Marie during his recovery was abysmal. I even find Jesse intolerable this time around too and, if it's going to come down to a shootout between himself and Walt, I want Walt to come out on top.

I find it hilarious the amount of sympathy Jesse gets from followers of the show. He's arguably executed the most cold-blooded murder on the show to date (Gale) and just because he sheds a tear or two, people think he "deserves" a happy ending. Does he feck!

As this particular half-series is progressing, almost every major character is "breaking bad". We are now seeing the negative side of each and every one of them bar, ironically, Walt; Hank is coming across as a self-serving bastard, Marie's vendetta against Walt and urging him to commit suicide shows her true colours, Skyler is hinting that Walt kills Jesse, and Jesse, for some ridiculous reason based on a wild assumption, has flipped and now wants to bring Walt's life down around him.

There's a case to be made for each and every one of them to get their comeuppance but to say that one character "deserves" a happy ending is complete and utter bollocks.
 
nahealai said:
I am firmly in Walt's camp as well, mate. Emphatically so. Upon re-watching the entire thing again only a few weeks ago, things bothered me about Hank that never bothered me the first time around, e.g. his treatment of Marie during his recovery was abysmal. I even find Jesse intolerable this time around too and, if it's going to come down to a shootout between himself and Walt, I want Walt to come out on top.

I find it hilarious the amount of sympathy Jesse gets from followers of the show. He's arguably executed the most cold-blooded murder on the show to date (Gale) and just because he sheds a tear or two, people think he "deserves" a happy ending. Does he feck!

As this particular half-series is progressing, almost every major character is "breaking bad". We are now seeing the negative side of each and every one of them bar, ironically, Walt; Hank is coming across as a self-serving bastard, Marie's vendetta against Walt and urging him to commit suicide shows her true colours, Skyler is hinting that Walt kills Jesse, and Jesse, for some ridiculous reason based on a wild assumption, has flipped and now wants to bring Walt's life down around him.

There's a case to be made for each and every one of them to get their comeuppance but to say that one character "deserves" a happy ending is complete and utter bollocks.
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Nah.

There's nothing wrong with rooting for the bad guy, it's a tv show, but there's no denying he's the bad guy.
 
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