Television Breaking Bad

Now that forum has stopped crashing I think there was a few things that bugged me about that episode.

The main one was the way Jesse's taped confession (of everything by the sounds of it) was kind of glossed over by Hank and Gomie with "he's right there's no evidence we can get from that."

Seriously? Todd? Lydia? Madrigal? There must be something to at least follow up on.

That really did smack of rushed writing.

Good points. Especially on Lydia and Madrigal.

The train robbery is pretty fecking major too, it wouldn't be too difficult to get something substantial on that.

Plus, you know, the 2 and a half million Jesse had - plus all the money Walt has been throwing around - that wouldn't be too difficult to be considered good evidence either. He was spending loads on healthcare before the 'gambling' story.
 
Yeah Lydia and Todd would be good shouts to get arrested from the confession. Without those two there wouldn't actually be a lot on Walt, except for the medical bills and buying a car wash (which are pretty expensive!). But for most other things it would be a "bent" DEA agent and a junkie testifying against him.

But I think it was rushed myself, or poorly thought through when written.

It will crush me if the end of this is wank.
 
Hank has to make sure that Walt can't keep saying he was the mastermind behind it all. What's to stop Walt saying Hank is Heisenberg and Jesse is lying to frame Walt, who is now a threat? They do need some proper evidence against Walt, I think.

Whatever Jesse has planned, it definitely won't involve hurting Walt's family. My first thought was that'd he tell them something to turn them against Walt, except what does Jesse know that'd be so damaging? Jesse definitely has a plan though, I'm just trying to figure out what it is. Jesse certainly isn't stupid.

What is Walt planning to do? The obvious answer is killing Jesse. That could happen, everyone else seems to think it's the way to go, maybe Walt thinks Jesse will come after his family? I doubt it though, I think Hank was right when he said Walt cared about Jesse. My guess is he'll threaten to hurt somebody close to Jesse (his family or his ex).
 
Maybe Jesse didn't tell all; we didn't see the confession.

Maybe Hank's playing a game with Gomie, not telling him the whole deal, and trying to implicate Walt in a different way. It's a bit inconclusive at the mo to say it's poor writing, from one of the best written shows ever.
 
Now that forum has stopped crashing I think there was a few things that bugged me about that episode.

The main one was the way Jesse's taped confession (of everything by the sounds of it) was kind of glossed over by Hank and Gomie with "he's right there's no evidence we can get from that."

Seriously? Todd? Lydia? Madrigal? There must be something to at least follow up on.

That really did smack of rushed writing.


Gomez did say something about following up on Lydia etc. Hank didn't want to hear it, you get the impression he's overreaching to outsmart Walt sooner rather than later.
 
Oh, and Aaron Paul was awesome in that episode.

Even though Jesse was wrong in thinking the guy in black was with Walt, I'm glad he has taken control over things. Between his catatonic state, getting manipulated by Walt and then getting used by Hank, he was becoming a victim. Seems like he finally has purpose. Also, interesting to see the luck Jesse said Walt has is finally running out. People are seeing through his lies, his plans aren't working as they should and random chance is playing against him.

What the feck is Jesse planning though? This is gonna be bothering me all week. Maybe he knows Walt will react by turning to Todd, or at least trying to target Jesse? Can Jesse turn that around on Walt in some way?
 
Maybe Jesse will somehow get that confession tape to his family.

Again though, looks like only Walt Jnr would be affected. Skylar doesn't seem to give a feck.
 
Yeah Lydia and Todd would be good shouts to get arrested from the confession. Without those two there wouldn't actually be a lot on Walt, except for the medical bills and buying a car wash (which are pretty expensive!). But for most other things it would be a "bent" DEA agent and a junkie testifying against him.

But I think it was rushed myself, or poorly thought through when written.

It will crush me if the end of this is wank.

Believe.
 

I do believe but I couldn't handle a shit ending, if the ending is shit it will really take away from the show. The ending makes or breaks the legacy of shows.

Was underwhelmed by this weeks episode, and the whole transfer saga and getting beat by the pool just added to the misery.
 
This is the first time I have watched Breaking Bad this way, week by week. It does detract from the enjoyment of it a bit for me. Anyway, I dont think the ending will be shit. But maybe that is just my inner optimist.
 
There's still the possibility of Jesse teaming up with Hank to put Walt in jail.
Never would Hank team up with Jesse! That would be absurd.


Not that absurd. They're taking it to a point where each of Hank, Marie and Jesse are betraying their previous convictions to take out Walt while Skyler is doing the same to protect Walt. Seemed inevitable that Jesse and Hank would work together on some level.
 
Not that absurd. They're taking it to a point where each of Hank, Marie and Jesse are betraying their previous convictions to take out Walt while Skyler is doing the same to protect Walt. Seemed inevitable that Jesse and Hank would work together on some level.
Looking at this episode:
don't think they would. Simply based on Hank's reaction to Jesse at his home, and after he walks away from Walt at the end. He will end up doing something on its own.
 
They mentioned one of Jesse's pals talked about Babylon 5. I think that was especially for Mockney.

That was exactly how you do it. In a short, funny, throwaway. Not some long winded, writer indulgence.

I thought it was quite good this week. It was a very well structured episode. I like the idea that they're all breaking bad to some extent too.
 
I quite liked the way everyone was being a cnut for a change.

Does anyone know if the season finale will be a double bill? If it isn't I'm going to leave the penultimate episode and watch them back to back. If I can.
 
Was left slightly underwhelmed by this week's, but never mind. It wasn't that the events themselves weren't a good progression of the plot; more that the execution of them didn't have the same impact that previous scenes have had. I'm maybe a little concerned also that it's not spiraled into chaos yet like I thought it would've done after the fantastic episode 9, but there's a lot of time left yet to bring this to a fantastic conclusion.
 
Over the years I have often found the penultimate episode of a show is better than the last one. It's a good plan if you can make yourself.

Talking to a friend about it this morning, it feels a long time ago now that Hank used to be one of the best characters in the show. Since he got shot he's been a right boring twat.
 
Does anyone know if the season finale will be a double bill? If it isn't I'm going to leave the penultimate episode and watch them back to back. If I can.
According to the episode guide, episode 15 and episode 16 won't be aired the same day. Episode 15 ("Granite State", it's a mineral fyi) is Sept. 22nd, and the show finale, called "Felina", is on Sept. 29th. The last one will be written and directed by Vince Gilligan. He's only written and directed the Pilot, Full Measure (finale of season 3), and Face/Off (finale of season 4).
 
Yeah I've found that the penultimate episode is often better. But I think that's because of the suspense that it builds rather than the execution of whatever it is building up to is more exciting.

Pissflaps! I'm going to have to avoid this thread like the plague for that last week. Full measures and Face Off were both very good episodes.
 
That's definitely true in 1, 2 and 3 tbf (though 3 also has a good finale)

In 4 it's Face Off hands down.
 
I think season 4 was the best overall. It had some really good moments, and Crawl Space was the best of the lot. It was like something from The Shining.
 
Okay, one aspect of this half-series which has been bugging me since it aired is the fast-paced nature of it. I used to love the slow-burner storylines and how the characters beautifully developed over the course of not just episodes, but series'. Once again, the audience have been shafted from what could have been a great scene when in last night's episode Gomez just appeared on Hank's right-hand side when interrogating Jesse. Seriously? Do they take us for gobshites?

One of the biggest challenges facing Hank when Walt executed his 'confession' card was how/if he was going to broach the subject with the DEA. Many speculated whether he'd go to Gomez, who has had differences with Hank in the past over his hunches, or if he'd go to his old boss Merkert, who had first-hand experience of being at very close quarters with a drug lord unknownst to himself. Merkert would have been a brilliant character to reintroduce as his loyalty to Fring cost him his job and he could have advised Hank without the matter going to the DEA straightaway, which could go against Hank.

Instead we had to settle for Gomez saddling up with Hank to interrogate Jesse with no explanation as to how Hank convinced Gomez Walt was Heisenberg. It's beyond preposterous. The writers have left themselves far too much to wrap up in so little episodes, and it's telling.

I know the Breaking Bad/Vince Gilligan worshippers won't have a bad word said about it, but this half-season has been below par. For all the expectation coming into it, barring one or two excellent scenes, it's only plodded along (in terms of quality; the storyline is careering along to the detriment of the show, in my view). I hope they can get their act together now between now and the finale.
 
Okay, one aspect of this half-series which has been bugging me since it aired is the fast-paced nature of it. I used to love the slow-burner storylines and how the characters beautifully developed over the course of not just episodes, but series'. Once again, the audience have been shafted from what could have been a great scene when in last night's episode Gomez just appeared on Hank's right-hand side when interrogating Jesse. Seriously? Do they take us for gobshites?

One of the biggest challenges facing Hank when Walt executed his 'confession' card was how/if he was going to broach the subject with the DEA. Many speculated whether he'd go to Gomez, who has had differences with Hank in the past over his hunches, or if he'd go to his old boss Merkert, who had first-hand experience of being at very close quarters with a drug lord unknownst to himself. Merkert would have been a brilliant character to reintroduce as his loyalty to Fring cost him his job and he could have advised Hank without the matter going to the DEA straightaway, which could go against Hank.

Instead we had to settle for Gomez saddling up with Hank to interrogate Jesse with no explanation as to how Hank convinced Gomez Walt was Heisenberg. It's beyond preposterous. The writers have left themselves far too much to wrap up in so little episodes, and it's telling.

I know the Breaking Bad/Vince Gilligan worshippers won't have a bad word said about it, but this half-season has been below par. For all the expectation coming into it, barring one or two excellent scenes, it's only plodded along (in terms of quality; the storyline is careering along to the detriment of the show, in my view). I hope they can get their act together now between now and the finale.


My reading was that he hadn't convinced him of it, he just convinced him to hear Jesse out. That's why after Jesse confessed Hank asked Gomez "Do you believe him?" and Gomez said "Unfortunately, I do" (or words to that effect).
 
Once again, the audience have been shafted from what could have been a great scene when in last night's episode Gomez just appeared on Hank's right-hand side when interrogating Jesse.
You're right, I have to admit that jarred with me as well, given he and Marie had explicitly talked about this problem on several occasions. It felt like the whole thing had been radically edited down.