I'm sure it does. I can't really remember seeing it, but it would be absurd to think the only toilet is the en suite.
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I'm sure it does. I can't really remember seeing it, but it would be absurd to think the only toilet is the en suite.
But how did he get weed in the time between leaving prison and going to Sauls office? HOW?!
The series is ruined for me. Absolute bullshuck.
The series is ruined for me. Absolute bullshuck.
Brock planted it on him.
Almost all of Jessies friends are fecking junkies, if he can't score weed the worlds gone to shit.
But he's just assuming that Walt is guilty of all of those things, Cider. He has no definitive proof and he's going renegade with a gallon of petrol in the man's house.
He's completely lost it.
He's completely lost it.
Goodman confirmed it.
I think you're confusing the mentally unstable meth-cook Jesse Pinkman with a federal court of law in your complaint of 'no definitive proof'. Since when does a drugged-out, borderline catatonic, grief stricken waster suffering from a particularly severe case of post traumatic stress syndrome need definitive proof of anything before going absolutely apeshit postal on the man he's repeatedly blamed for everything having gone wrong in his life?
You missed my point. Saul picked him up from prison. Ergo the weed was already on him. I think serious questions need to be asked at the police station.
He probably arranged to meet one of his crew at a waffle house or gas station, telling Goodman that he just needed a quick snack for the road.
Goodman confirmed that Walt ordered the cigarette to be lifted. That was it. Jesse then had a "Eureka!" moment completely alien to his character up to then and duly went apeshit.
To the best of my knowledge, Saul never responded to Jesse's accusation of Walt killing Mike. Jesse suspects that Walt did it, but he has no proof whatsoever. He also has no definitive proof that Walt poisoned Brock either. Just speculation and conjecture on Jesse's part.
I suspect this will all be cleared up for us through a flashback scene before long. If Walt gets a chance to talk to Jesse before he does anything sinister, Walt will be able to talk him around. Jesse has no proof whatsoever of Walt's guilt.
To the best of my knowledge, Saul never responded to Jesse's accusation of Walt killing Mike. Jesse suspects that Walt did it, but he has no proof whatsoever. He also has no definitive proof that Walt poisoned Brock either. Just speculation and conjecture on Jesse's part.
I suspect this will all be cleared up for us through a flashback scene before long. If Walt gets a chance to talk to Jesse before he does anything sinister, Walt will be able to talk him around. Jesse has no proof whatsoever of Walt's guilt.
You don't deserve to watch Breaking Bad if you're genuinely this stupid.
He said "I didn't know what he was going to do with it" and when Jesse was screaming "he poisoned Brock and you helped him do it" Saul didn't deny any of it and just cowered in fear.
This is getting a bit too mental now Nahealai.
You're also forgetting that Saul had to bring Jesse to meet Walt so they didn't go straight from the police station.
Is the eureka moment completely alien to his character? Jesse isn't stupid, he was the one who came up with the magnets idea and he also came up with the train heist. Beyond that, he has Walt sussed as a liar and manipulator.
Jeese didn't figure out anything that a reasonably intelligent person wouldn't figure out in real life. It's common sense that tells him Walt poisoned Brock, why else would he have taken the ricin? As for Walt killing Mike, Jesse knows him well enough to know when he's lying. The things you consider random leaps strike me as good writing, the characters aren't so stupid that they need to have everything spelled out to them.
Tis true. I suppose it's feasible that Jesse asked Saul to stop off on the way.
This might be a stupid question, but was Jesse even actually arrested?
I think so. It mentioned that he made bail so I'm gathering that he was under some form of arrest / detention.
All I can conclude is that Jesse is just acting on assumptions, and nothing else. He suspects Walt of misdoings (Mike, Brock), and considering he was tossing millions out on the road, he has already lost it. The pouring-gasoline-at-Walt's-house is the final straw. How is suddenly suspects Walt of poisoning Brock, killing Gus, prancing him around, we don't know yet.
He's not working on assumptions. He knows Walt killed Mike, he probably knew for a while before saying he knew. He also knows Walt poisoned Brock, he was already pretty sure but Walt tricked him into believing it was Gus and as soon as he had the dope stolen he knew for certain it was Walt. Saul also confirmed it.
Jesus Christ. I can't wait til Monday so we can change the topic in here.
How? How does he know all that? All that he knows is that ricin was nicked off him the same way the packet of dope was. He rushes to Saul, who just affirms that it was Walt who ordered them to pick ricin off him (And Brock was poisoned with the Lily of the Valley flower). All he knows is that Walt was manipulating him. For all the hoopla, Gus men have killed a kid before.
Have you actually watched the show? Jessie gives a perfectly valid reason to Walt for why he thinks Walt killed Mike. Walt denies it of course but Jessie doesn't look convinced.
And it would make no sense for Gus to kill Brock or if he wanted to kill him to kill with Lily of the Valley. Just think about it, the only reason Gus would kill Brock would be to turn him against Walt (as Walt's the only person who knows about the Ricin according to Jessie) so killing him with something that has no link to Walt would be pointless. jessie's not stupid you know
Jesse is an emotional wreck. People accuse other people of shit once they made up their mind without always needing hard evidence. Once someone thinks they have connected the dots (as Jesse has), they react irrationally. This is not so out of character for Jesse. It would have been for Hank or Walt, but definitely not for Jesse. He also attacked Saul to get some sort of confirmation on them stealing his cigarette and once Saul confirmed that, Jesse would have made up his mind that he is right about Mike as well. People are caught up on Jesse reacting with no real proof of Walt's actions but someone like Jesse would act like this if his suspicions manifested the way they have.
At the end of season 4, Jesse says the doctor told him kids just eat Lily of the Valley sometimes. Then he finds the "replacement" ricin in his flat, leading him to believe he'd just misplaced it and the whole thing was an accident. How Walt or Gus acted were both irrelevant.
He doesn't think Brock was deliberately "poisoned" by anyone. Until now. Which is a leap.
I wish people would stop getting their knickers in a twist over people discussing relevant plot points/motivations. It's becoming a bit like LEAVE BREAKING BAD ALOOOONNE!!
We all love the show.
I don't know what all the fuss is about, it's pretty straightforward.
Do you think Jesse had to stop off for the petrol or how did he know it was in Sauls boot? We didn't see what happened.
Do you think Jesse had to stop off for the petrol or how did he know it was in Sauls boot? We didn't see what happened.
How Jessie reaches to the conclusion that Walt poisoned Brock I am not too sure either as it wasn't the Ricin that was responsible. But Jessie's intelligent to know that it couldn't have been Gus.
He doesn't think it's Gus. He thinks it was an accident. He's got a doctor's opinion and "found" the lost ricin by early season 5. There's nothing to suggest it wasn't an accident from his POV other than suspicion about being pickpocketed for something he later "found" anyway.
It's a stretch. You're not betraying Breaking Bad by considering that.
It's a stretch. You're not betraying Breaking Bad by considering that.
But then he isn't sure that it was Walt either. The only thing he knows is that Walt nicked off the ricin cig. And then put it back. To reach there itself, for someone of Jesse's calibre is a huge call.
I'm all for discussion but I think this is something that is easily explained. Jesse even says to Walt that Huell lifted the ricin off him to poison Brock and once he realised Huell stole his weed, and Walt is a lying cnut, it fell into place.
If I was going to move to Alaska with a new identity, Id definitely want to take quite a bit of weed with me, who knows how easy it is to score there. If someone tried to nick my weed off me before I left I reckon Id get pretty pissed off about it too.
I know that. Coolredwine brought up Gus and I was replying to his post.
The ricin he later found in his flat. From his POV, no one actually lifted it. Only the audience know his assumption was correct. He's now made the leap that the ricin found in his flat was a duplicate made by Walt, and placed in his dust buster, all for the purpose of removing suspicion so he could poisonin him with something else anyway, something a doctor told him kids sometimes eat by accident. That's a stretch.
I agree he can't know for sure it was Walt who poisoned Brock.
But you're doing injustice to Jessie by saying it was a stretch for him to assume Walt took the ricin. As far as Jessie knows Walt's the only person to know about the Ricin and it's a completely logical to come to the conclusion he did the first instance. To come to the same conclusion after he finds out it wasn't Ricin that did the damage is weird.
Also, his weed could have slipped out from the pocket in Saul's car. It's actually a very tall assumption that it was Saul/Huell who nicked it off him. Could have fallen anywhere.
Are you on a wum?
I suppose you could see it as a stretch, given that it was Lilly of the Valley, but Jesse was so sure it was Walt that he was going to shoot him, and said that he had Huell pickpocket him. Once it came back that it was the lilly it seemed that Walt was innocent.
However, once he got pickpocketed again, and finally told Walt he was full of shit and knows he constantly lies to him and plays him, it doesn't seem like a stretch; or not a huge one anyway.
If he finds out about his girlfriend dying (her name escapes me) then he's going to go really mental.
The writers said that letting her die was the biggest / worst thing for Jesse to find out. Mike and Brock being the other two biggies.
Edit: Jesse also knows that Walt is a chemist and a smart man, who would know about how to poison a child without killing them. Maybe.
Again, from his POV, he doesn't think he was pickpocketed once. He found the replacement, and the kid was poisoned with something else. What reason is there for him to think he was pickpocketed the first time? Other than paranoia.
Finding the Lily of the Valley plant, or some evidence that Walt knows of it's effects or has used it before, would've been the more sensible way for him to have reach his cast iron conclusion.
It may not have been quite as dramatic though, which I think is what they were going for.
On the other issue, I agree the Jane thing is going to be the worst bit. No one knows about that other than Walt though, so it has to come from him.