Yeah that one that wasn't a bloodbath.
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Yeah that one that wasn't a bloodbath.
It was pretty much a bloodbath though.
The one where loads of people got shot and murdered in cold blood?
blood·bath
/ˈblədˌbaTH/
Noun
An event or situation in which many people are killed in a violent manner.
Synonyms
massacre - slaughter - carnage - butchery - bloodshed
blood·bath
/ˈblədˌbaTH/
Noun
An event or situation in which many people are killed in a violent manner.
Synonyms
massacre - slaughter - carnage - butchery - bloodshed
Yeah, the bloodbath.
I guess I took bloodbath a bit too literally.
That was season one.
Jesse had already figured out exactly what had happened back when he confronted Walt with it at gunpoint in season 4, only for Walt to change his mind at the last minute. Jesse's realisation wasn't him figuring out the whole thing from scratch, is was that Walt had to have been manipulating him. As soon as Jesse checked his pocket I could see what he was about to figure out, and so it made perfect sense for Jesse to also.
The writer of the "Confessions" goes into detail about the episode here, and covers Jesse's realisation and the "torture" they went through with it:
http://www.vulture.com/2013/08/breaking-bad-gennifer-hutchinson-confessions.html
The doctors said Brock was poisoned by a plant called Lily of the Valley so Jesse blaming Walt for using the ricin is far from the mark. It's an absurd conclusion to jump to on Jesse's behalf.
Yeah, it doesn't quite make sense, but I'll let them off. Brilliant episode!
He didn't come to the conclusion that Walt used the ricin, he came to the conclusion that Walt had it stolen from him in the same way Saul had his pot stolen from him.
Yes, that's obvious.
And why would Walt have done that at that time? Seems a pretty clear an simple connection to me tbh.
It's not an absurd conclusion to reach in thought, but much like the Hank realisation, it's an absurd conclusion to become completely and utterly and instantly convinced by.
Just finished watching the new episode, what a performance from Aaron Paul. Class actor!
So he loses the plot and attempts to set fire to the man's house? Perfectly reasonable reaction right there.
I think the writers' intentions was for Jesse to think Walt poisoned Brock, which is quite far-fetched. The characters are coming to conclusions very quickly in this series, which is totally against the slow-paced nature up to now.
They make clear that Jesse thinks Walt poisoned Brock, as Saul defends himself by saying "I didn't know what he was going to do with it [the ricin]."
Not this again. If you really want to be picky the trouble with the whole scenario is that it relies on delving back into a plot point that was pretty absurd in the first instance. I think Walts convoluted plan to get Jessie on side (against Gus) is second only to the plane crash when we're talking misteps in the plotting department but the show is so good it's easy to turn a blind eye.
New one for you - how did Jessie even have drugs in his pocket if he'd come straight from jail to Sauls office? The police not check him after he was arrested?
I still don't like Jesse's character to be honest; it's been the one weak point of the second half of the series in my opinion. Pretty much everything else has been excellent.
Yes, which us why I said it was preposterous, Mike. The doctors said Brock was poisoned from ingesting Lily if the Valley. Ricin was never mentioned, and Jesse should realise this as he was released from police questioning regarding the lack of ricin found.
I was agreeing with you.
I agree. This is the 2nd episode in 3 where a central character has become utterly and unwaveringly convinced of something earth shattering on the back of pretty circumstantial evidence. It does whiff a tiny bit of "shit, we need to get things moving here"
I don't know. He easily pieces together that Huell lifted the weed. Then he looks at his cig packet and it all comes back. He knows Huell lifted the ricin.
At best he knows Walt manipulated him to kill Gus. At worst he's realised Walt's poisoned Brock. Though I've said myself that Walt might be able to talk himself out of it by saying that he lifted the cig but never poisoned Brock. Jesse couldn't prove anything.
Mockers and Mike both agreeing with me? I can settle for that.
We only need to take on the Skyler fanbois now and our work here is done.
We only need to take on the Skyler fanbois now and our work here is done.
I don't see that Hanks realisation was weak evidence. He strongly suspected something based on a revelation, then went back for at least a day or two going over the evidence and it all made perfect sense.
Ah, yeah. The montage. The true indicator of the passage of time on Breaking Bad.
Yeah, the WW shit in the same tone and the same handwriting. It was a massive giveaway.
I was waiting for a POV shot from Hank's fist as he was punching Walt in that garage scene.
Tense.
As Mike and others pointed out earlier, it's a giveaway only that he was a meth cook for an operation. Not that he was the murdering kingpin overlord.
In most cartels/gangs etc, these two people aren't very often one and the same. Gus for example, had no idea how to cook anything, and didn't busy himself with it.
I have been watching the new episodes of this the morning after the they've aired in the US as I'm still on holidays. The missus has been coming home and I have to pretend that I'm excited about watching the 'new' episodes as we always watch it together. I have dropped the odd subtle hint here and there as to what I think will happen next. She'll have me copped come my next 'prophecy' I reckon.
"Ah, yeah, darling. You see that CD that Walt gave Hank? I bet he implicates Hank on that. Just a inkling is all."
"Ah, yeah, darling. You see that CD that Walt gave Hank? I bet he implicates Hank on that. Just a inkling is all."
I think this one is better
The tarantula! The tarantula holds the key to where this is headed, I'm convinced of it!
The last time we saw one on the show, Todd put one in a jar after killing that young boy (symbolism possibly of 'containing' the secret, or 'containing' Todd). We then are shown a wild/free tarantula in the latest episode and if you watch carefully, it was making its way towards Jesse. As the writers like to include subtle hints along the way, we might deduce that either the secret if that train heist is free (Todd blabbing in the diner) or that Todd is going to come after Jesse.
Am I nuts or is this plausible? There has been too much emphasis placed on those tarantulas for it to be completely meaningless.
The last time we saw one on the show, Todd put one in a jar after killing that young boy (symbolism possibly of 'containing' the secret, or 'containing' Todd). We then are shown a wild/free tarantula in the latest episode and if you watch carefully, it was making its way towards Jesse. As the writers like to include subtle hints along the way, we might deduce that either the secret if that train heist is free (Todd blabbing in the diner) or that Todd is going to come after Jesse.
Am I nuts or is this plausible? There has been too much emphasis placed on those tarantulas for it to be completely meaningless.
The boy already had the tarantula in the jar and Todd took it, didn't he?
They are pretty clever in the way they do foreshadowing, so you could be right.. maybe Todd opening his big mouth will mean they will get found out. I doubt it though.
I liked the foreshadowing/bookending they did in the last episode where the first shot we get is of a cigarette, and then Jesse loses his shit over the ricin ciggy at the end
They are pretty clever in the way they do foreshadowing, so you could be right.. maybe Todd opening his big mouth will mean they will get found out. I doubt it though.
I liked the foreshadowing/bookending they did in the last episode where the first shot we get is of a cigarette, and then Jesse loses his shit over the ricin ciggy at the end
It was the kid who Todd shot that put a tarantula in a jar at the beginning of that episode, I think.
Jesus, that last scene was even better on second viewing. The music seemed to suit Jesse's manic rage perfectly.
I think we're all in agreement that he won't go ahead with the arson (the flash-forward scenes suggest that the house hasn't been burnt) but who/what will prevent Jesse from carrying it out? Walt Jr's car isn't on the drive so we can assume that he won't be there. The writers hint that Walt is going to find Jesse as he left the car wash with his gun. Hank's situation is more intriguing, though. He told Gomez to take the detail off Jesse but then left his office unplanned and told his P.A that he'd be gone all afternoon. Maybe he's trailing Jesse himself and he'll intervene at Walt's house.
Interesting.
I think we're all in agreement that he won't go ahead with the arson (the flash-forward scenes suggest that the house hasn't been burnt) but who/what will prevent Jesse from carrying it out? Walt Jr's car isn't on the drive so we can assume that he won't be there. The writers hint that Walt is going to find Jesse as he left the car wash with his gun. Hank's situation is more intriguing, though. He told Gomez to take the detail off Jesse but then left his office unplanned and told his P.A that he'd be gone all afternoon. Maybe he's trailing Jesse himself and he'll intervene at Walt's house.
Interesting.