Television Breaking Bad

All this talk of the confession tape, Jesse finding out about Brock and the cigarette and whatnot, but nobody seems to be addressing the real issue!

Is Skyler a likeable character or not?

Please answer in 50,000 words or more.
 
Holy fecking shit what an episode!! Why does it have to end like that!!

Hopefully Waly can say to Jesse that he lifted the cigarette but never poisoned Brock, he just needed him to think Gus had poisoned him. Or something, before he torches the shit out of his house.

In the first episode, did it look like it had been burned out or just abandoned?

What an episode!
 
Holy fecking shit what an episode!! Why does it have to end like that!!

Hopefully Waly can say to Jesse that he lifted the cigarette but never poisoned Brock, he just needed him to think Gus had poisoned him. Or something, before he torches the shit out of his house.

In the first episode, did it look like it had been burned out or just abandoned?

What an episode!

It didn't look burnt to me.
 
Just found this on a breaking bad wikia site (it is worth what's it's worth). Spoiler for season 4
When Walter White was contemplating how he was going to topple drug kingpin Gustavo Fring, he noticed the potted lilies in his backyard. ("End Times")
Brock Cantillo was poisoned by Walt in an unknown way with the Lily of the Valley berry. The doctors initially thought he was poisoned by ricin as Jesse Pinkman had suggested but later discovered the true toxin. The doctors and Jesse believed that Brock came across the flower growing naturally and ate some poisonous berries. ("Face Off")
After returning home from successfully killing Gus and getting Jesse back on his side, Walt disposed of the Lily plant from his backyard.

So the writers got confused :confused: ?
 
Just found this on a breaking bad wikia site (it is worth what's it's worth). Spoiler for season 4
When Walter White was contemplating how he was going to topple drug kingpin Gustavo Fring, he noticed the potted lilies in his backyard. ("End Times")
Brock Cantillo was poisoned by Walt in an unknown way with the Lily of the Valley berry. The doctors initially thought he was poisoned by ricin as Jesse Pinkman had suggested but later discovered the true toxin. The doctors and Jesse believed that Brock came across the flower growing naturally and ate some poisonous berries. ("Face Off")
After returning home from successfully killing Gus and getting Jesse back on his side, Walt disposed of the Lily plant from his backyard.

So the writers got confused :confused: ?

What was the confusion? Didn't get it. I just don't remember that he disposed the plant...
 
Just found this on a breaking bad wikia site (it is worth what's it's worth). Spoiler for season 4
When Walter White was contemplating how he was going to topple drug kingpin Gustavo Fring, he noticed the potted lilies in his backyard. ("End Times")
Brock Cantillo was poisoned by Walt in an unknown way with the Lily of the Valley berry. The doctors initially thought he was poisoned by ricin as Jesse Pinkman had suggested but later discovered the true toxin. The doctors and Jesse believed that Brock came across the flower growing naturally and ate some poisonous berries. ("Face Off")
After returning home from successfully killing Gus and getting Jesse back on his side, Walt disposed of the Lily plant from his backyard.

So the writers got confused :confused: ?

I am not sure what you are trying to get at?
 
Just found this on a breaking bad wikia site (it is worth what's it's worth). Spoiler for season 4
When Walter White was contemplating how he was going to topple drug kingpin Gustavo Fring, he noticed the potted lilies in his backyard. ("End Times")
Brock Cantillo was poisoned by Walt in an unknown way with the Lily of the Valley berry. The doctors initially thought he was poisoned by ricin as Jesse Pinkman had suggested but later discovered the true toxin. The doctors and Jesse believed that Brock came across the flower growing naturally and ate some poisonous berries. ("Face Off")
After returning home from successfully killing Gus and getting Jesse back on his side, Walt disposed of the Lily plant from his backyard.

So the writers got confused :confused: ?

Think I'm missing something, why does that suggest the writers got confused?
 
As far as I remember:

Jesse thought Walt had poisoned Brock with Ricin. Walt convinced him that Gus had lifted the ricin from Jesse and poisoned Brock as a way of turning Jesse on Walt.

Jesse later finds out it was Lily of the Valley. He then tries to find the ricin, which Walt plants at his apartment. Jesse now thinks it was all a coincidence and that he simply mislaid the ricin.

Jesse realises that Huell had lifted the ricin from him, which would only have been done under Walt's orders. He now realises that Walt deliberately lied to him about Gus taking the ricin, at which point he realises Walt must have deliberately poisoned Brock.
 
It was like the entire show was written with that confession in mind.

Why the stick for Marie anyway? It makes no sense.
 
I think Jesse does burn the house down, Walt looks pretty dishevelled when he returned to the house which suggests to me he loses the Lottery ticket. Then again it's perfectly plausible Walt gives the money to Skylar and the kids and fakes his own death to protect Walt Jr and goes into hiding or something. feck I can't wait for the next episode
 
I think Jesse does burn the house down, Walt looks pretty dishevelled when he returned to the house which suggests to me he loses the Lottery ticket. Then again it's perfectly plausible Walt gives the money to Skylar and the kids and fakes his own death to protect Walt Jr and goes into hiding or something. feck I can't wait for the next episode

He also tipped the waitress a $100 bill and bought a feck off machine gun too if you remember. The house certainly didn't look fire damaged.

Also as funny as it would be it'd also be a bit lame of Walt to leave his entire fortune dependent on the integrity of that lottery ticket.

As far as I remember:

Jesse thought Walt had poisoned Brock with Ricin. Walt convinced him that Gus had lifted the ricin from Jesse and poisoned Brock as a way of turning Jesse on Walt.

Jesse later finds out it was Lily of the Valley. He then tries to find the ricin, which Walt plants at his apartment. Jesse now thinks it was all a coincidence and that he simply mislaid the ricin.

Jesse realises that Huell had lifted the ricin from him, which would only have been done under Walt's orders. He now realises that Walt deliberately lied to him about Gus taking the ricin, at which point he realises Walt must have deliberately poisoned Brock.

Correct.
 
He also tipped the waitress a $100 bill and bought a feck off machine gun too if you remember. The house certainly didn't look fire damaged.

Also as funny as it would be it'd also be a bit lame of Walt to leave his entire fortune dependent on the integrity of that lottery ticket.
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True it was conjecture more than anything, just trying to piece it all together and all I can forsee is a lot of death and killing.
 
True it was conjecture more than anything, just trying to piece it all together and all I can forsee is a lot of death and killing.

I subscribe to Empire magazine and in the July issue there was a preview for Breaking Bad with the creator of the show interviewed concerning possible endings for the show. Obviously he didn't give anything away, but what he did say was that he thought both The Sopranos and Lost tried to be too clever and left-field with their endings which caused them to fall a bit flat; he said he wouldn't make that same mistake with BB and that the ending for his show would be just what you'd most expect it to be. I've no idea what he meant by that really, but the article noted the many Scarface references thus far and indicated that a similar last-stand shootout would likely be the way it goes.

The article also reported that Jesse was originally only supposed to be involved in the first few episodes, likewise Gus, but that the two had such on-screen presence they decided to make them central characters. Also that the show was originally to be filmed in California but that budgetary constraints forced a move to New Mexico. The creator cited these three eventualities as the driving force behind that show's success and that nobody would likely have heard of it otherwise.
 
I subscribe to Empire magazine and in the July issue there was a preview for Breaking Bad with the creator of the show interviewed concerning possible endings for the show. Obviously he didn't give anything away, but what he did say was that he thought both The Sopranos and Lost tried to be too clever and left-field with their endings which caused them to fall a bit flat; he said he wouldn't make that same mistake with BB and that the ending for his show would be just what you'd most expect it to be. I've no idea what he meant by that really, but the article noted the many Scarface references thus far and indicated that a similar last-stand shootout would likely be the way it goes.

The article also reported that Jesse was originally only supposed to be involved in the first few episodes, likewise Gus, but that the two had such on-screen presence they decided to make them central characters. Also that the show was originally to be filmed in California but that budgetary constraints forced a move to New Mexico. The creator cited these three eventualities as the driving force behind that show's success and that nobody would likely have heard of it otherwise.

Good. No ambiguous bullshit, please.
 
I subscribe to Empire magazine and in the July issue there was a preview for Breaking Bad with the creator of the show interviewed concerning possible endings for the show. Obviously he didn't give anything away, but what he did say was that he thought both The Sopranos and Lost tried to be too clever and left-field with their endings which caused them to fall a bit flat; he said he wouldn't make that same mistake with BB and that the ending for his show would be just what you'd most expect it to be. I've no idea what he meant by that really, but the article noted the many Scarface references thus far and indicated that a similar last-stand shootout would likely be the way it goes.

The article also reported that Jesse was originally only supposed to be involved in the first few episodes, likewise Gus, but that the two had such on-screen presence they decided to make them central characters. Also that the show was originally to be filmed in California but that budgetary constraints forced a move to New Mexico. The creator cited these three eventualities as the driving force behind that show's success and that nobody would likely have heard of it otherwise.

Probably a smart move keeping it simple. The writers are good enough to make a straightforward ending very compelling, they don't need to be overly clever.
 
With all the Marie and Skylar hate, Walt Jr. seems to get away quite lightly. All he does is eat breakfast, moan and go on about his boyfriend Lewis. He also has the perceptive powers of a peanut, unable to decipher there's been something horribly wrong going on at his home for about a year. fecking Flynn.
 
Great episode, and probably no coincidence that it's one in which Jesse returned as a central player. The previous two episodes had been good, but the show didn't quite feel the same to me with Jesse on the sidelines.

I wonder if the finale will be a 3-way stand-off in the desert like the end of The Good (Jesse), The Bad (Walt) and The Ugly (Hank).
 
Great episode, and probably no coincidence that it's one in which Jesse returned as a central player. The previous two episodes had been good, but the show didn't quite feel the same to me with Jesse on the sidelines.

I wonder if the finale will be a 3-way stand-off in the desert like the end of The Good (Jesse), The Bad (Walt) and The Ugly (Hank).

You have to figure Todd's gang/Lydia/Madrigal have to be involved somehow though; they weren't introduced to take Walt's methylamine and ride off happily ever after, plus there's no way that they'd be getting the screen-time that they are if they weren't central to how things are going to pan out.
 
Fantastic episode. That confession tape took me from disliking Walt to properly hating him. It was brilliant of course, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for Hank and Marie while watching it.

Jesse possibly burning the house down seems to explain Walt returning to the house at the end with it looking burnt out.

I reckon one of Walt's children, Walt Jr possibly, will die in a fire.

Saul and Huell are also managing to remain hilarious even in the most serious situations.
 
Fantastic episode. That confession tape took me from disliking Walt to properly hating him. It was brilliant of course, but I couldn't help but feel sorry for Hank and Marie while watching it.

Yeah, definitely. I'm sure some people will still "cheer" for Walt, but I've never been able to with these kinds of "increasingly anti anti-heroes". Eventually I always end up cheering for whoever is trying to take them down. It happened with The Shield, it happened with Sopranos.

They're still (or maybe even because of that) great TV series, mind.
 
Yeah, definitely. I'm sure some people will still "cheer" for Walt, but I've never been able to with these kinds of "increasingly anti anti-heroes". Eventually I always end up cheering for whoever is trying to take them down. It happened with The Shield, it happened with Sopranos.

They're still (or maybe even because of that) great TV series, mind.


I can usually still route for anti-heroes, but with Hank and Jesse being manipulated by Walt, he almost feels like an outright villain now who happens to be at the centre of the show considering Hank especially could be seen as a hero.
 
Yeah, definitely. I'm sure some people will still "cheer" for Walt, but I've never been able to with these kinds of "increasingly anti anti-heroes". Eventually I always end up cheering for whoever is trying to take them down. It happened with The Shield, it happened with Sopranos.

They're still (or maybe even because of that) great TV series, mind.

I always end up rooting for the bad guy, as long as they are smart and ruthless.
 
I can usually still route for anti-heroes, but with Hank and Jesse being manipulated by Walt, he almost feels like an outright villain now who happens to be at the centre of the show considering Hank especially could be seen as a hero.

There's no almost about it. He is the villian.

In just the last episode alone, he emotionally blackmailed his own son, tried and failed to manipulate Jesse and has everything set in place for Hank to take the fall for him.

That's just one episode.