Walt leaving a book on a toilet is a terrible example of a deus ex machina. You personally might not like the way he was uncovered but its hardly unrealistic. How many people get found having affairs for example by leaving second phones lying around and such? People get complacent when they've been doing something successfully for a while, besides the inscription would mean nothing to Skyler or Walt Jnr and would be easy to pad off, if Hank didn't know about Gael it'd mean nothing to him either.
Television Breaking Bad
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You've missed the point of what is being argued. No one is saying it's a stretch Hank thinks Walt is Heisenberg (except Cina, who can be a bit slow).
I think it's a big stretch for Hank to think Walt is Heisenberg.
I've already addressed how he knows Walt (being Heisenberg) killed the 10 witnesses, and killed Gus. There is nothing that makes any of this a stretch.
Arrogance makes you stupid. The whole scene when he considered putting it away but changed his mind was there to convey his belief that he was invincible. The scene where hank tells Walt about Gale a few seasons back and asks who WW could be would of been in Hanks mind, especially the fact that Walt shows his pride by saying Gale wasn't Heisenberg only someone being guided by a 'mastermind' or whatever.
Not just a meth cook... Heisenberg. THE cook. The one who makes the blue meth, that he's been tracking for over a year and knows all the fecked up things he's been doing.
Gale knew Heisenberg, that's where hank got the link. He made a pretty extraordinary leap to discover Gus and this is similar.
The Gus leap was a far bigger one than this. It was based almost entirely on Gale being a vegan and going to Los Pollos Hermanos.. then looking into the company and assuming Gus was involved for no real reason other than the air conditioning unit for the lab was free so it must be a big shot who got it for him.
With all of Walt's strange behaviour for the past year, his links to Jesse Pinkman (who knew Heisenberg and clearly got Hank's mobile number from someone), sudden flimsily explained new found wealth, strange behaviour of Skyler etc it will have been his fondness, relationship and lack of respect for Walt as a person that kept him from being suspicious. As soon as one dot was connected it all became apparent to him.
Yeah there was a good reason no one believed Hank with his suspicions on Gus. Later on Hank said something to the tune of "He's too clean not to be evil". Hank's suspicion of Gus was pure gut instinct
Exactly. It's not as if everyone suddenly agreed with Hank immediately when he started to suspect Gus. He was clearly in the minority with that opinion because of how far fetched it was, but we've seen that he's clearly very good at his job and is very often right when he uses his instinct.
I enjoyed it but it felt like one of the first episodes of BB which felt in a rush to get somewhere. Usually it happens more organically but this seemed to happen a bit quickly for my liking.
Your wife said the same thing I heard.
Not sure if it was just my torrent because I haven't seen it being discussed, but after Walthe turned and his head almost split in two and there was a sort of slow motion effect. What was all that about?retrieved the ricin from the abandoned house,
As always your were being presented with the mirror analogies that goes throughout the show. You are looking at him reflecting in a mirror, usually representing the duality of things, but in this case representing that he is broken as is all he fought for and his family. He took a few seconds watching himself in that shattered mirror and saw his true image. IMO.
Hmmmm I dunno man.....
In addition to what others have posted in this thread I thought there were a few other factors.
Hank knows that Jesse is involved with the blue meth, and he knows there is a link between Jessie and Walt. In season 1 Hank discovered that the equipment was from Walt's school. Suspicion would also arise because Walt has come into a lot of money through counting cards / gambling which seems suspicious to say the least.
That, along with other bits n' bobs I can't recall, in addition to the book (toilet scene) and the picture of Heisenberg looking very like Walt (with the hat on) would justify a reasonable, if not strong suspicion in my opinion.
Edit: Sorry, I realise I am repeating other people's points. I'll just shut up now
I thought it was interesting that he seemed to have skin covered eyes in his reflection. Could be just me reading into it, but it may be a symbol of how directionless he has become; blind etc.
Another thing I was wondering: why does Walt go to all the trouble to carefully launder his money through the car wash so as to not arouse suspicion, but is happy to give Jesse $5m in a bag of cold hard cash? Doesn't make any sense.
The 5m was Jessie's money wasn't it?
Yeah, but how's he gonna explain $5m in cash? It's not laundered. And Walt hasn't told him to launder it.
Saul told him to launder it and even had everything set up for him but Jesse refused.
I remember. Why are Walt and Saul happy to give him the money then? If he gets caught it would potentially bring a lot of heat on them.
Jessie's side of the story is never really explained. He also buys a house for quite a lot and I would have thought that would have aroused suspicion. My guess is Saul was doing something on Jessie's part.
Yep, generally if something unexplainable happens it's due to Saul's contacts.
lolwut.
Would you prefer him to launder the money and then explain why he's given away $5 million of his own cash to a former student/suspected drug dealer? He's laundering his own money to legitimise it so he can enjoy it in his own life, not give it away and of course you are going to transfer unlaundered money as cash.
Saul Goodman is their lawyer and he's advised both of them on how to launder their money..
Would you prefer him to launder the money and then explain why he's given away $5 million of his own cash to a former student/suspected drug dealer? He's laundering his own money to legitimise it so he can enjoy it in his own life, not give it away and of course you are going to transfer unlaundered money as cash.
Saul Goodman is their lawyer and he's advised both of them on how to launder their money..
You're confused about what we're discussing.
We're wondering why Walt is happy for Jesse not to be laundering his money as it will bring suspicion.
Walt has the car wash. What has Jesse got?
Ok. But I think it's nothing more than the image getting distorted by the broken glass.
It is Jesse's money that he owed him, he is now out of the business so he's tying up all the loose ends. Jesse has been earning as much money as Walt for the whole year, upto the point where he left- always working in unlaundered cash and hasn't been caught- Gus was a far more cautious man than Walt is and he allowed it.. because working in cash means it's not really traceable back to him. It's the same principle. Unless Jesse gets turned, Walt is safe giving the money over- thats part of the reason Jesse was terrified when Walt came over to give him the money- he thought Walt might try and kill him to prevent any chance of that, but Walt trusts him to stay loyal.
It's upto Jesse to legitimise his money, if he wants to.
Aaron Paul is doing an AMA on reddit in an hour.
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Got to sign up, but it literally takes 10 seconds. You don't need an email or anything.
Hmmmm I dunno man.....
In addition to what others have posted in this thread I thought there were a few other factors.
Hank knows that Jesse is involved with the blue meth, and he knows there is a link between Jessie and Walt. In season 1 Hank discovered that the equipment was from Walt's school. Suspicion would also arise because Walt has come into a lot of money through counting cards / gambling which seems suspicious to say the least.
That, along with other bits n' bobs I can't recall, in addition to the book (toilet scene) and the picture of Heisenberg looking very like Walt (with the hat on) would justify a reasonable, if not strong suspicion in my opinion.
Edit: Sorry, I realise I am repeating other people's points. I'll just shut up now
I was messing with regards to the above post Kinky.
http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/1kaxje/i_am_aaron_paul_ama/ link to the AMA, in case people are interested.
I really like the new episode. I thought the flash forward at the start was brilliant. It's clear that everything has gone to shit and Walt is gone and only Heisenberg exists now. The "Hi Carol" bit was excellent and in my eyes suggests that alot more has gone on than just everyone finding out that he's a meth cook. If you found out your neighbour was a major drug dealer you'd probably keep your head down and bring your shopping inside quietly. The way she stared at him was like she had seen a ghost. He's obviously responsible for something huge that has happened in the meantime.
The showdown between Hank and Walt was great, in my opinion. Yeah, it's probably a stretch for Hank to have pieced it all together so quickly but you do get the feeling that he has suspected that Heisenberg was behind almost everything that has gone on, The killing of gus, the prison killings, the blue meth etc. and when he suspects Walt is Heisenberg and he confronts Walt and then he doesn't really deny it, he's found his answer. Either way, I'm glad it's done now and Hank knows and Walt knows he knows so the next eight episodes are sure to be brilliant.
The showdown between Hank and Walt was great, in my opinion. Yeah, it's probably a stretch for Hank to have pieced it all together so quickly but you do get the feeling that he has suspected that Heisenberg was behind almost everything that has gone on, The killing of gus, the prison killings, the blue meth etc. and when he suspects Walt is Heisenberg and he confronts Walt and then he doesn't really deny it, he's found his answer. Either way, I'm glad it's done now and Hank knows and Walt knows he knows so the next eight episodes are sure to be brilliant.
Well yes I'm aware of why it happened, but it might have been done on purpose as a use of visuals. Walt has completely lost sight of any vision he once had; be that vision for good or bad.
Anyway....just a thought
