That Star Trek scene was great wasn't it?
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I thought it sounded like a good script, tbh.
What do you think happened next though?
I've never seen a single episode of Star Trek and I never intend to.
yes, which is why most of the DEA would have fallen for it, but how would they know where Gus's super secret base is? Hank knows Walt does because he crashed his car rather than let Hank look around there. He also knows Heisenberg is still out there because the blue meth is back, and he is pretty mental about destroying evidence because he broke into the police evidence locker with a truck and destroyed the laptop that would reveal his identity.
It's perfectly plausible that Hank has had it click in his mind now.
Perhaps the Star Trek script we heard from Badger was a flash forward, and in the next scene with them stoned will find out what caused the pie eating contest to come about in the first place?
I didn't like the Star Trek part either mainly because I couldn't make head or tail of it.
You have to admit though, your criticism of this scene in particular seems strange when it's actually an okay scene, pretty funny, and by no means as unbelievable as you're trying to make it out to be!
My major plot hole criticism so far, I think Cina talked about it above, is the book thing, I'd talked about it in here when I first watched the episode, I just don't understand how Walt could have been so careless, and I don't really buy the 'he wanted to get caught' argument. Very weird.
As for Hank connecting the dots, I think he's mostly working on hunches, so far he's been shown to be a pretty good cop, he has been obsessed with Heisenberg for a year now, with the sketch and all the street talk the DEA have probably been picking up about this 'Heisenberg' character, it's probably understandable that he sees him for what he is, the boss of the operation, and that he's following his intuition and gut feeling mostly.
The carelessness with the book is just another sign of his arrogance by that stage, I think. Like with the scene when Hank was helping him move out and asked what was in the bag; "half a million in cash".
I've always assumed him leaving the book lying around was a sign of his arrogance and his belief that he was untouchable.
Chekov got intestines aids and to pay for his treatment started making space meth, 99.8% pure thanks to Scotty's help who's a wicked scientist.
Yep you're probably right, that would explain it and it's in keeping with his character.
But Star Trek though?
Those are precisely my criticisms of the scene. So obviously I don't admit that.
In fairness, Walt was sloppy a couple of times around his own home. People tend to be quite comfortable in their own house. It's not a massive plot hole like people seem to think, it was just a simple error and people make mistakes. Edit- yeah, arrogance does cover it just as well.
I like that it was something silly like a book in the toilet that brought him down, Skyler did warn him with her reference to Watergate and the 'piece of stickytape left on the wall of a hotel room brought down the President of the United States' line.
I like that it was something silly like a book in the toilet that brought him down, Skyler did warn him with her reference to Watergate and the 'piece of stickytape left on the wall of a hotel room brought down the President of the United States' line.
What I meant is it seems strange to most of us who found those qualities in that scene, which is about 99.8% of us. Same as Chekov's space meth purity. Deal with it, BITCH!
Hank has been chasing Heisenberg for years. At first as just a cook, then later on he got into thinking his Heisenberg was the brains behind the operation, i.e. Gus. After Gus' death, he assumed the big boss man was dead and Heisenberg was no more. But seeing the blue stuff still out on the streets told him there's either a new boss in town or Gus wasn't the boss after all. It couldn't have been Mike since he was on the payroll and everything about him screams enforcer, not main man. Gael was dead and Jesse's an idiot to him; so it's not too far a jump for Hank to assume Walt's a pretty senior figure in whatever's going on. May be he thinks Walt had Mike organise the prison killings.
Yep you're right, I was probably nitpicking a bit to be fair, it didn't really bother me that much and the arguments in this thread do explain it really. I shall sleep in peace tonight.
Massaged stats. You're not fooling anyone. If you found the notion of a Star Trek episode about a pie eating competition funny, I'd direct you in the direction of BBCThree. They do some great work.
I haven't read everything posted since e09 aired, but are we to assume that when Walt told Lydia that he'd left a perfectly viable operation behind that he's left that kid who looks like a retarded Matt Damon behind to cook? The one who shot the kid?
I agree with the rest of your post, just on this detail: it feels like it's been years, but actually it's been just over a year since Heisenberg has popped up on the radar, isn't it (well a bit more now after the part towards the end of episode 8 where he does business with the Czechs and everything)? It's incredible to think that this whole show will have actually only had events that spread out over 2 years.
Yep. Todd.
You'd direct him in the direction? Mockney, you're better than that. Has that scene given you a brain aneurysm?
It's ruined television as a whole for me. I've lost faith in the entire medium. I'm going back to books.
James McClean I tell you!
Harsh for the kid, since Matt Damon actually already looks retarded.
Anyway, on topic: yes, I think that's what we're meant to assume. He was grooming him just before the break, but the decline was inevitable, it was obvious he didn't have the natural talent Jesse had (which seemed to frustrate Hank).
I didn't find it plausible. It's a giant leap from 'my brother in-law is a normal law-abiding citizen' to 'he's the mass-murdering boss behind the drug empire'. Surely, 'he's a meth cook with a chemistry background' is a more reasonable assumption based on finding a present from a known meth cook?
Bit harsh, give Two broke girls a shot, it'll restore your faith in the medium, I think.
Look, Hank has spent days going over everything. He checked individual letters of Gale's handwriting to make sure it's the same. At this point he's piecing everything else together. He now knows about the car crash, he knows about the phone call. So maybe, just maybe, he has a feeling Walt did everything else too. And maybe he tells Walt he did these things just to see his reaction. What if he strictly denies bombing the nursing home? What if he admits to everything? What's to say it's not just a typical interrogation technique?
Hey look what I found everyone
It was great. Badger is the best guy. I was surprised how long it went on for. The longer he went uninterrupted, the funnier it got.
Heh that's true. Got my show timeline confused with the actual time the show's been on the air.
Maybe, but then again, what we've seen about Hank is that he trusts his hunches and gut feelings.
The way I see it, the leap from 'my brother in law is a nice guy' to 'he's a criminal kingpin' isn't that big if you look at it differently. Hank is obsessed with Heisenberg, everything points to him knowing everything about the guy, everything except his identity. And once he has that click while reading the book, all the chips fall into place, it was the one element he didn't have, the one element he simply could not grasp because of how well he knew Walt and how nice a guy Walt is. Once that implausibility of him being anything else than the gentle law abiding brother in law is taken away, Walt can be anything, and Hank just knows in his gut it's Heisenberg and he's responsible for it all. It's basically like Hank had been blind all along, and he's suddenly been given his sight back again, not just a little bit of it, he can see the whole picture. I don't know, I just felt that Hank's obsession with Heisenberg made it very believable that once he found out Walt wasn't what he pretended to be, he'd understand it all, as he'd obviously never been satisfied with the Heisenberg's captured before that (the DEA worked on the basis of Heisenberg successively being Gale then Gus, am I right?).
It's hardly implausible, once the wheels get sent into motion he realises how suspicious Walt's behaviour is. The crashing the car, the disappearance in previous seasons, Skyler wanting the kids out the house, Walt's "Joke" about a million dollars in his duffel bag, Skyler kicking him out, and the sudden new found wealth of a guy who had to work 2 jobs to keep afloat even before his diagnosis and baby daughter.
Then naturally he checks the evidence and a lot of it is suspicious. Plus the show already well establishes Hank as a great detective, he had far less to go on with regards to suspecting Gus for example who seemed an upstanding member of the community on the face of things.
It's not implausible as such, but I would have preferred the evidence-checking montage to have been a little more explicit about how he gets to realising Walt is more than just the cook.
It's like the writers knew that finding the book wasn't enough to tell Hank everything, so they have the montage, but couldn't think of anything (bar the little drawing) that could reveal more about Walt's alter-ego.
That's because there isn't anything linking Walt to anything. There's the inscription in the book and that line drawing. That's it. Obviously Hank can draw conclusions - even though I think pinning the prison killings and nursing home bomb to him is over-reaching somewhat - but there's no actual evidence or even suggestion of evidence.
This has been my criticism of the show all along. Sometimes they use a deus ex machina to drive the story along - Walt leaving the book in the toilet is another good example. Why on earth would you do that? Apart from anything else, his wife or son might start asking questions about the inscription. Walt may be arrogant but he's not stupid.
Why would Skyler or Walt Jr give a shit about the inscription in the book? Skyler at one point would ask questions and he'd just lie to her, but it's not that ridiculous to get distracted in your own home and leave something out you probably shouldn't.
The book tells Hank that Walt knew Gale. Gale was the co-cook to Heisenberg and Walt had 'boasted' to him that Gale wasn't a genius and he was copying off another man's work, as well as looking smug when he said 'you got me' to Walter White being the W.W. Gale had the secret meth lad's design drawn up in his notebook, which they found after it was set on fire, and Walt acted suspiciously (pretending to be ill, and eventually driving into traffic) when Hank got close to the lab. Obviously the evidence isn't there for a prosecution, but it's enough for Hank to KNOW its him. Its not some massive stretch, ffs.
The book tells Hank that Walt knew Gale. Gale was the co-cook to Heisenberg and Walt had 'boasted' to him that Gale wasn't a genius and he was copying off another man's work, as well as looking smug when he said 'you got me' to Walter White being the W.W. Gale had the secret meth lad's design drawn up in his notebook, which they found after it was set on fire, and Walt acted suspiciously (pretending to be ill, and eventually driving into traffic) when Hank got close to the lab. Obviously the evidence isn't there for a prosecution, but it's enough for Hank to KNOW its him. Its not some massive stretch, ffs.
Science bitch!