Savour the wait. Soon enough there'll never be another new episode to look forward to.
Television Breaking Bad
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Yeah totally! There are definitely advantages to speed watching shows like this. I speed watched The Sopranos so there was no painful waiting, but it kept me up very late some nights!
I used to think that waiting for the show to end and watching all the episodes would better but I cannot do it anymore. This way Mondays still feel special for me. The wait plays a role in the pleasure of watching
I think this is the best theory yet. He's clearly gone into some kind of hiding. Look at his shirt; it's filthy; he's been wearing it for days. Carol looks as though she's seen a ghost (of course, to her, that's what Walt is).
Just dissecting the opening scene - Walt didn't paint that. People know who he is and what he's done now, and it's been tagged as some sort of homage to him. The kids probably see him as a mythical being. "This is where the great Heisenberg lived" hence tagging his name on the wall. He's also never coming back there. He's looked around and he almost looks shocked at the state of the house. Anyway, when he takes the ricin, through force of habit he goes to replace the socket cover, and thinks "What's the point? I'm not hiding anything any more."
Cannot wait.
I was thinking this earlier on, and there is a theme I've noticed from the start of the show about protecting your family even if it contradicts your moral stance. When Hank's missus got caught stealing, Hank covered for her.
I doubt Hank will cover for Walter, but he may be faced with the dilemma of not wishing to admit that his brother in law was Heisenburg all along
Iv'e not watched any of season 5 yet, mainly because i speed watched 1-4 and knew there was going to be a huge ass mid season break during 5. Although this thread is tempting me to cave...
Well spotted. There is definitely a finality to that scene. Nothing left to hide, and he's most certainly going to use the Ricin. Not turning back
I liked this part
When the camera focuses on Jesse, and then Walt in the background says "But son, you need to stop focusing on the darkness behind you."
When the camera focuses on Jesse, and then Walt in the background says "But son, you need to stop focusing on the darkness behind you."
A few points:
1. If I was Hank I'd probably try to get Skylar to turn on Walt. As Walt said, Hank has zero actual evidence to build a case on atm but that's something Skylar could provide. Hank probably knows from her breakdown that she's struggling with her conscience, it wouldn't be that hard to get her to turn on Walt, I think. If that theory on the other page is true, this would be why it happens.
2. Jesse's meltdown was totally in keeping with his character, it's been the way he reacts to things since the beginning. I get the feeling that he's eventually going to realise that the only way to deal with conscience is to stop Walt (as opposed to throwing away his blood money). God only knows what will bring him to that point. I thought it might be when he finds out about mike but he already has that sussed (another excellent scene btw).
3. Anyone else think the ricin was for Walt himself? It looks like he has given up at that stage and is about to do one final horrific act (with the machine gun). Maybe once he's done that (getting revenge on someone) he'll take the ricin? He's dying anyway so maybe he wants to end it quickly, on his own terms.
1. If I was Hank I'd probably try to get Skylar to turn on Walt. As Walt said, Hank has zero actual evidence to build a case on atm but that's something Skylar could provide. Hank probably knows from her breakdown that she's struggling with her conscience, it wouldn't be that hard to get her to turn on Walt, I think. If that theory on the other page is true, this would be why it happens.
2. Jesse's meltdown was totally in keeping with his character, it's been the way he reacts to things since the beginning. I get the feeling that he's eventually going to realise that the only way to deal with conscience is to stop Walt (as opposed to throwing away his blood money). God only knows what will bring him to that point. I thought it might be when he finds out about mike but he already has that sussed (another excellent scene btw).
3. Anyone else think the ricin was for Walt himself? It looks like he has given up at that stage and is about to do one final horrific act (with the machine gun). Maybe once he's done that (getting revenge on someone) he'll take the ricin? He's dying anyway so maybe he wants to end it quickly, on his own terms.
Yeah, it seemed like he had pretty much given up or he knows the end is coming. Even with the "Hello Carol" stuff, though in fairness there wasn't much else he could do. I think he's knowing at the moment of return it's a matter of time before his death/capture or whatever happens to him. I think them scenes will be caught up to by the last couple episodes and we'll know more. I'm not even sure if we will see him like that again until we actually get to that point in the show, I can't remember off the top of my head but in 5A we never saw him like that again after the 1st scene did we?
The theory probably has it's flaws but like you say there's a lot to it, he is giving the signs of someone who has been in to hiding, given the fact he is very wealthy at the moment in the show it seems like he either has lost all that or can't access it all.
I think the character of Walt is shown to be far to egotistical to kill himself, kind of implies he's been beaten. Maybe it's used as a fall back option but I can't see it getting to that.
Skylar does not want to spill the beans on Hank because of the children. I don't think anything Hank can say will convince her.
Maybe he would see it as the only way to not be beaten. End it on his own terms and not allow anyone else to kill him or send him down.
Hank is pretty fecked whatever happens isn't he? His old boss was immediately sacked once it became apparent Gus was behind a major drug operation, because he had been friendly with Gus and even invited him around for dinner.
What can Hank do?
What can Hank do?
spoilered just incase - future speculation
This is what I've thought is going to happen for a long time now. I think he'll take the ricin right after that cold open scene. It takes around 3 days to take effect, enough time to take care of business.
True suppose either way he is going to lose, at least this way he doesn't give them the satisfaction of them locking him up or killing him.
Hank suspected Gus ages ago though, he even told his bosses he thought Gus was Heisenberg at 1 point and they all laughed at him, so if anything I'd say he's alright there. The Walt stuff is worse for him as it's his immediate family, but again you wouldn't suspect your immediate family to do something like this, especially not someone like Walt who is hardly a stereotype of a drug dealer.
True, but we know from the flashforward that the truth does come out at some point. Maybe Hank offers protection for her and the children if she turns on Walt? Maybe Skylar realises Walt is a bigger threat to the family than the truth and decides this is the best way to get him out of their lives? Not like she hasn't been thinking in that direction already.
I haven't read this thread since the new episode last night but I am mildly disappointed that
Hank twigging on to Walt being Heisenberg came to a head so quickly. I'd have liked to see Hank's suspicions and the unspoken unease between the two explored a bit more. Instead Hank finds out and punches Walt. Although of course it's set up intriguingly going forward, I felt there might have been more room to draw that situation out more.
I think Hank will keep trying to build a case against Walt. I don't think it's in the character's nature to either a) give up on the case b) try to kill Walt or c) be overly concerned with how bad it looks for himself. I think he'll try and bring Walt down and if that ruins his reputation then so be it.
I think that really depends on what is to come. If there is a lot to get through in 7 episodes then I can see why they sorted that whole Hank realization nice and early. By the looks of the house and the state it is in, it would seem that a lot of shit went down
I got the impression Skylar didn't want her children to know of Walt's misdoings. She wanted Walt to die with the cancer so that everything would be put to bed nicely without any shitstorm.
Exactly the opposite for me. Delighted it all came to a head right from the off. No point in drawing it out and makes the next 7 even more exciting
Yep, definitely true, and having read through some of the previous posts here I probably agree it was effective getting the Hank/Walt realization out of the way early.
Dunno if this has been posted before but it's amazing.
I fell asleep last night so I won't get watching it till tonight. Can't fecking wait.
I just watched it and it was fecking ace!
My two cents of speculation:
I was really surprised that Walt said that Hank should tread carefully. I expected him to play the sympathy card a bit more, and then tell him that he could never prove anything.
I wish it was next Monday already!!
My two cents of speculation:
1 - Obviously a lot of shit has went down in the flash forward and I would assume that Skylar and the kids are in witness protection / dead / both.
2 - Jesse will find out that Mike is dead. Probably through Lydia who will contact him to try and get through to Walt. We will definitely see more of Lydia.
2 - Jesse will find out that Mike is dead. Probably through Lydia who will contact him to try and get through to Walt. We will definitely see more of Lydia.
I was really surprised that Walt said that Hank should tread carefully. I expected him to play the sympathy card a bit more, and then tell him that he could never prove anything.
I wish it was next Monday already!!
Just finished the new episode. Incredible ending.
This is a show where even the closing of a garage door can be thrilling. Best moment of the episode for me.
Holy feck that last line. I love this show.
Just watched the end scene again.
The acting by Hank (or the person who plays hank) was top notch. The "rot you son of a bitch" and the confusion when he didn't know who Walt was anymore was brilliant.
He fecking knows now!
The acting by Hank (or the person who plays hank) was top notch. The "rot you son of a bitch" and the confusion when he didn't know who Walt was anymore was brilliant.
He fecking knows now!
That was fecking unreal, one of the most amazing moments I've seen. The fast forward I think is due to Walt perhaps faking his own death and then returning some time in the future after Hank has revealed all, presuming Walt is dead (as he's just told him he will be). The way Walt lied to Jesse over Mike shows how natural it is to him now.
That was fecking amazing. Hank is class, but that line "tread carefully". Jesus, that was amazing. Can't wait for next week.
Yep. It doesn't really tally with the feck off automatic machine gun in the back of his car does it?
Like you say, it sort of seems like the actions of someone planning one last desperate act and with no intention of being taken alive.
Worth noting as well that both Todd and Lydia have now both added to the main cast, so we'll certainly see more of both of them and they'll have important roles to play in the final 7 episodes.
On that one as well, I think Jesse will kill Todd. He's clearly still torn up over the death of that kid and Todd was the one who pulled the trigger.
On that one as well, I think Jesse will kill Todd. He's clearly still torn up over the death of that kid and Todd was the one who pulled the trigger.
I think Walt will end up killing Lydia, we know he wanted to initially but didn't go through with it
He didn't really want to initially did he? It was Mike who nearly killed her.
It's pointless guessing what's going to happen. Don't think any of us could have predicted the Hank - Walt confrontation coming at the end of just the first episode. If they played that card this early, I can't wait to see what sort of shit they have saved up!
It's the same with the ID card in the cafe at the start of the season. She asks for ID, he rejects, but then gives it her as if it's all fecked by that point either way.
At one of the meetings they had in the café, I think when Walt asked her for the names of then ten guys. After she left he lifted up his hat and he had the ricin underneath it.
I loved that part. No words at all, just reaches for the button and closes the garage door.