Television Breaking Bad

After seeing this my only thought was finally........Ive been saying that every time she opens her gob for months :lol:


 
mufcwarm92 said:
I wouldn't say I actually dislike Walt yet but the opinion has certainly dropped over the last 2 seasons. I feel character development is one of the show's great strengths - Mike going from villain to hero, Skylar being very likeable to begin with and much more sinister later on and even Marie going from an annoyance to quite a likeable one now. Best of all is Hank - a bit of a bumbling idiot at times but I find him one of my favourite characters, despite conflicts with Wakt, something I know will be put to the test in the second half of S5.
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I have to say I've really grown to dislike him now in the past 8 episodes or so, but that's kind of what makes the show as brilliant as it is. I don't know if Mike was ever really what you'd call a villain, but he certainly did become a lot more likeable towards the end of his spell in the series and I found myself routing for him ahead of Walt.

Hank is excellent though. I think what kind of makes him refreshing is that out of all the adult males in the show he's the only one who's generally been a good person throughout. Now that he knows who Walt really is though, the last stretch of the series will be fascinating.
 
Completely up to date. This show is incredibly well written to say the least. The difference between the APD in this show and MPD in Dexter is unreal. The character development is also very well done. I'll be honest, after the first 2 seasons I struggled to see the hype but the introduction of Fring changed everything.
 
Season 3 is so brilliant. Just past I.F.T. and onto the episode where they so nearly get caught, and Saul fakes the call saying Marie's in hospital. It really takes a turn here for me.

EDIT: Might be the one after actually.
 
Episode titles and synopses of the final run of 8 episodes. Can not wait.

Spoilered, just in case -

Episode 509 - 'Blood Money': As Walt and Jesse adjust to life outside of the business, Hank grapples with a troubling lead.
Episode 510 - 'Buried': While Skyler's past catches up with her, Walt covers his tracks. Jesse continues to struggle with his guilt.
Episode 511 - 'Confessions': Jesse decides to make a change, while Walt and Skyler try to deal with an unexpected demand.
Episode 512 - 'Rabid Dog': An unusual strategy starts to bear fruit, while plans are set in motion that could change everything.
Episode 513 - 'To'hajiilee': Things heat up for Walt in unexpected ways.
Episode 514 - 'Ozymandias': Everyone copes with radically changed circumstances.
Episode 515 - 'Granite State': Events set in motion long ago move toward a conclusion.
Episode 516 - 'Felina': The series finale.
 
I remember when I used to watch Lost, I'd always look for little descriptions like that for the next week's episode, dying for some sort of idea what might happen next. I can't bring myself to do that with this show, I like the fact that I have no idea how they'll end this.
 
I'm not reading that either. Any predictions regarding the way the show will pan out based on that should be spoilered to shit!
 
Thank you for the warning guys, I was at one point tempted to click on that spoiler.Breaking Bad is a special show, I wanna be "wowed" till the end. No such thing as previews of next episodes or any stuff like that for me.
 
Onto S5 now. Anyone else feel like it's really detached from the show? It's like it finished at S4 with "I won." And then we all pleaded for a 5th season, and this is what they came up with. Obviously it's still as good as anything else out there, but it just feels really detached, like they didn't really know how to continue from S4.
 
It gives absolutely NO info, indeed :D

Right, I've just caught up with it all, Watched the 4 1/2 series over the last month or so. There's so much to say about it, I wouldn't know where to begin.

The character development, dialogue and acting are the strong points for me, more so than the plots themselves, I don't think there's one truly week character (though I'm a tad disappointed they kinda left Walt Jr. out of the picture from S3 onwards, I think he's very good). Walt is brilliant, Jesse's brilliant, Mike's brilliant, Gus is brilliant, Saul is brilliant, Hank is brilliant... I don't understand the hate for Skyler, I mean I don't like her, but all her actions are very believable and rational. Loved the scene where she shouted 'shut up' over and over to Marie :lol:

I also love how the smaller parts are also very good, I love the manager of the scrapyard you see in a couple of episodes, Badger and Skinny Pete, and others.

There's also rarely been a show when the 'hero' has been handled this way, it's a slow descent into hell for Walt who starts off as a stand-up guy but slowly relinquishes anything that's left of his morality as the show goes on, doing stuff that's worse and worse, being more and more unaffected by it and trying to justify it. It's audacious, and the whole show would've been silly without someone of Cranston's talent to deliver it all.

I was just a tad disappointed by how Hank came to realize it was all Walt for the cliffhanger between part 1 and part 2 of season 5, I mean the whole show is about it being somewhat believable and subtle, I just don't understand how Walt could've left such a piece of evidence out in the open. Or is there an element I'm missing?

Also, I think season 5 has one of the most hilarious scenes I've seen, when Jesse comes for dinner and tries to make conversation with Skyler, the timing and delivery is incredible I couldn't stop laughing!

Anyway, looking really forward to August 11th now, looking forward to see how they tie it all up.
 
Liam147 said:
Onto S5 now. Anyone else feel like it's really detached from the show? It's like it finished at S4 with "I won." And then we all pleaded for a 5th season, and this is what they came up with. Obviously it's still as good as anything else out there, but it just feels really detached, like they didn't really know how to continue from S4.
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I don't know, I don't think it was ever going to end with Walter winning really, he kind of starts the turn in the earlier series with stuff like watching Jane die and manipulation of Jesse. I'd say there is episodes which probably weren't written well in advance (the fly episode being a prime example of a filler episode) but I reckon they knew their endings etc and how it was going to finish.

Rooney in Paris said:
It gives absolutely NO info, indeed :D

I was just a tad disappointed by how Hank came to realize it was all Walt for the cliffhanger between part 1 and part 2 of season 5, I mean the whole show is about it being somewhat believable and subtle, I just don't understand how Walt could've left such a piece of evidence out in the open. Or is there an element I'm missing?
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I don't think you're missing anything, I kind of got the impression that it summed up the change in Walt's character really, Gale clearly thought highly of him but he just didn't seem that bothered back, Gale looked up to him and gave him a gift which Walt essentially uses as toilet reading. Equally it wasn't really that big of a thing, it probably would be something you'd kind of forget, it wasn't a big bag of meth, it was a subtle note in a book which not many people would get.

I agree with your point about the hero though. Although by the end I really think people will struggle to like Walt, it seems like Jesse becomes more of the hero or the one of the 2 you want to succeed and if anything Hank as well who I'd argue completely changes in character along with Walt (he seems very unlikeable at the start, almost bullying Walt in parts of Series 1 to becoming one of the best characters by Series 5.)
 
Oggmonster said:
I don't think you're missing anything, I kind of got the impression that it summed up the change in Walt's character really, Gale clearly thought highly of him but he just didn't seem that bothered back, Gale looked up to him and gave him a gift which Walt essentially uses as toilet reading. Equally it wasn't really that big of a thing, it probably would be something you'd kind of forget, it wasn't a big bag of meth, it was a subtle note in a book which not many people would get.
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Well I agree that on the face of it, it's 'just' a book and not a bag of meth, but still. It's a book with a note by Gale, whom Walt is fully aware Hank knows about, they even had a conversation about Walt Whitman and the poem. And it's not as if Hank and Marie never come over to their house, and the toilet is the place that they're bound to use, so leaving it there was a huge huge risk. I would've thought it more realistic had Walt come home just after that conversation with Hank and burned the book. Definitely not kept it in the toilet. I mean sure there's a lot that's gone on in Walt's life and it's quite believable that eventually he'd forget, but just after that conversation with Hanks, surely bells would've gone on in his head?
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Well I agree that on the face of it, it's 'just' a book and not a bag of meth, but still. It's a book with a note by Gale, whom Walt is fully aware Hank knows about, they even had a conversation about Walt Whitman and the poem. And it's not as if Hank and Marie never come over to their house, and the toilet is the place that they're bound to use, so leaving it there was a huge huge risk. I would've thought it more realistic had Walt come home just after that conversation with Hank and burned the book. Definitely not kept it in the toilet. I mean sure there's a lot that's gone on in Walt's life and it's quite believable that eventually he'd forget, but just after that conversation with Hanks, surely bells would've gone on in his head?
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I can see your point, it does seem slightly naive and it probably was just a way to develop the story, they HAD to find out eventually otherwise the whole show is pointless, they hint at the meal where Walt says he doesn't think Hank has caught Heisenberg (as he obviously knows the truth) and the whole premise of the character is people have to find out to either give him the escape or let him get caught. It's what the character of Hank is there for really. The point I'm trying to make (probably badly!) is that the book reveal is plausible. Walt could of just viewed Gale as insignificant, he got him killed, he never paid attention to him and therefore the gift he gives him was basically discarded as toilet reading, i.e. insignificant. It puts in to perspective how much Walt has changed, you'd imagine early on he'd feel guilty about what he did, like in Series 1 where he was going to free that guy from the basement despite the fact he was obviously going to kill Walt and Jesse if he did escape, by the time Gale is killed he just doesn't care that much as he's seen so much and the favt he can have a constant reminder of him lying around the house sums that up. I'm probably reading to much in to it but I think it can be explained like that if it came to it.

The biggest plot hole in the show is when Walt poisons Brock and convinces Jesse it was Gus, how did Walt ever get the chance to poison the kid? It's never explained it just happened, it's not show ruining as it again just progresses the story but it should of been explained or shown somehow because it really does a lot to turn Walt in to the "bad guy" as he's willing to do something like that to someone Jesse cares about just to get his own way.
 
Yeah I agree with you, it's plausible I suppose, I just feel it's a bit 'easy'. I'm sure Hank could've arrived to the conclusion some other way. Anyway...

Oh concerning the poison, I think Saul did it. It's very strongly hinted at the beginning of season 5, if I recall correctly.
 
There's every chance that will be dealt with in the future, so unfair to call it a plot hole at the moment.
 
Just looked up some on Google to see if was missing anything and they had a "panel" at that comi con thing last weekend promoting next series, someone asked a question and the answer was "It was improbable, perhaps, but not impossible. Once he'd got that idea, spinning the gun and looking at that Lily of the Valley plant, I think probably he crushed some of the stuff up, put it in a juice box, got into Brock's school somehow." He admits that it would have been tricky, but that's "his best guess" as to how Walt did it." so I'd guess we won't get it explained as to what happened in the 2nd part!
 
Oggmonster said:
Just looked up some on Google to see if was missing anything and they had a "panel" at that comi con thing last weekend promoting next series, someone asked a question and the answer was "It was improbable, perhaps, but not impossible. Once he'd got that idea, spinning the gun and looking at that Lily of the Valley plant, I think probably he crushed some of the stuff up, put it in a juice box, got into Brock's school somehow." He admits that it would have been tricky, but that's "his best guess" as to how Walt did it." so I'd guess we won't get it explained as to what happened in the 2nd part!
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Saul did it for Walt. he even says he did it. There's plenty online but in short, Jesse went to Saul's office for something "urgent" (which wasn't very urgent), the big fat bodyguard searched him down and swapped his pack with the ricin. Walt delivered the LotF to Brock in some way (this is the part that hasn't been explained yet).

Here's a good summary:
http://emiliajordan.com/2012/07/31/...ock-and-what-happened-to-the-ricin-cigarette/
 
Oh ok the ricin cigarette is pretty easy, I wondered whether Saul had been directly implicated in delivering the Lilly of the Valley to Brock himself.
 
Just started watching this. Seems interesting. Couldn't bother with mad men.
 
Rooney in Paris said:
Oh ok the ricin cigarette is pretty easy, I wondered whether Saul had been directly implicated in delivering the Lilly of the Valley to Brock himself.
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Possibly, he delivered money to them every week for Jessie. In fact Saul basically implied that he did the entire thing for Walt, but he said at the time he didn't realize it would nearly kill the kid.
 
It was something they should have explained clearly. If it was indeed Walt then it's a big moment in the series
 
Cina said:
Saul did it for Walt. he even says he did it. There's plenty online but in short, Jesse went to Saul's office for something "urgent" (which wasn't very urgent), the big fat bodyguard searched him down and swapped his pack with the ricin. Walt delivered the LotF to Brock in some way (this is the part that hasn't been explained yet).

Here's a good summary:
http://emiliajordan.com/2012/07/31/...ock-and-what-happened-to-the-ricin-cigarette/
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Yeah that summary does make it seem plausible, it never really bothered me to much to be honest. Every show will have plot holes in it to further the storyline, it gets frustrating at times when it's stuff like Lost and they fill the show with them it's just lazy writing.
 
Even earlier, the last scene of season 4 made it perfectly obvious.
 
Yeah there's absolutely no doubt Walt was responsible for this, whether he did it himself or got Saul to do it. I'm surprise that's even questioned, it's fairly obvious and just another part of Walt's character development, part of his downward spiral. What he does throughout the seasons just gets worse and worse, this was another step.
 
it's actually all really obvious when you look back on it, everything is there for the viewer to see, you just wouldn't think about it until the final scene in season four I guess. The brilliant thing is that when Jessie has the gun to Walt's head, he's actually figured out the whole thing, he says he must have managed to swap the cigarettes somehow and find a way to poison Brock, but Walt manages to convince him that what actually is the truth, isn't.
 
Cina said:
it's actually all really obvious when you look back on it, everything is there for the viewer to see, you just wouldn't think about it until the final scene in season four I guess. The brilliant thing is that when Jessie has the gun to Walt's head, he's actually figured out the whole thing, he says he must have managed to swap the cigarettes somehow and find a way to poison Brock, but Walt manages to convince him that what actually is the truth, isn't.
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If you go back to page 13, the theory was discussed near the end of season 4.
 
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