Can your favourite qualify as the best? For example, my favourite show of all time is Only Fools and Horses, so by that logic it should be what i'd class as the best, as it's my opinion. But i'd never claim it was.
Television Breaking Bad
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I only finished it around April this year. I massively enjoyed it, but I don't think its going to hold the same re-watch value to me as Sopranos or The Wire do.
I still reckon Dogtanian and the Three Muskehounds is up there, as it was easily my favourite programme as a kid and had the sexiest female character ever, but I don't have the enthusiasm to argue the point on the internet.
Correct, but the list was typically a personal choice and I haven't followed 'the sopranos' as religiously as the rest.
Heathen! Mysterious Cities of Gold was far superior.
Season 3, Tuco's 2 cousins after all the build up
they are killed off so bloody easily 
Such a great scene
Everytime I see this thread bumped I hope for a new season then my hopes always get crushed 
Why? I thought the ending was perfect. No need to try to cash in more on it.Everytime I see this thread bumped I hope for a new season then my hopes always get crushed
Possibly the weakest part of the show. The season overall was quite good specially the way Walt's character ended the season but that part was poor.Season 3, Tuco's 2 cousins after all the build up
they are killed off so bloody easily
I know I agree with you... but I miss it SO MUCH!
This been posted yet?
I will finish series 3 tonight. You have to wait bloody ages for the DVDs to come out over here.
We still only have three series of Game of Thrones.
We still only have three series of Game of Thrones.
http://empirenews.net/amc-announces...-6th-season-you-wont-believe-this-plot-twist/Everytime I see this thread bumped I hope for a new season then my hopes always get crushed
Almost had me, almost.
I'm still holding out hope for the Slash, Val Kilmer sequel.
One for all and all for one, muskehounds will always be there....helping e-v-e-r-y booody!
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Why did Walter give Jesse away when he was hiding under the car in Ozymandias?
Walt didn't exactly have time to think straight. He had just seen his brother-in-law get shot in the head, lost 70 million dollars and pretty much any chance of him ever regaining his family's love. Basically, he had "lost".
Infuriated, he dealt with the only person he could deal with in the heat of the moment: Jesse. Had it not been for him, then Hank would still be alive, and Walt would most likely have "won".
Infuriated, he dealt with the only person he could deal with in the heat of the moment: Jesse. Had it not been for him, then Hank would still be alive, and Walt would most likely have "won".
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Because it's Jesse's fault that Walter got caught out. He liaised with DEA to bring Walt down
Oops. Never refreshed the page from last night, thought you hadn't been answered
Why are we doing spoilers?!
Anyway, what the two others said and Walter also already ordered the hit on Jesse. The nazis were about to run away with his money, and they still owed him for the kill
Anyway, what the two others said and Walter also already ordered the hit on Jesse. The nazis were about to run away with his money, and they still owed him for the kill
I agree. It was an awful ending that betrayed everything the show that stood for prior to that. The whole Walt redemption theme was cringeworthy (and the show may as well have flashed a banner announcing that it wasn't going to do a 'Sopranos,' which, IMO, had a far better ending.)
It was the perfect ending. How would you have done it?
Btw, didn't you have a girl band in the 80s or something?
I wanted him to reach for the keys and them to be an inch out of his grasp.
The idea with the gun in the trunk was completely ridiculous, almost anything would've been better than that (one Nazi is out taking a piss or on watch duty and his plan fails and his family probably gets murdered, so ridiculously badly written). They gave us a typical bad guys lose/die, good guys get what they want Hollywood ending, even Walt got his unconditional redemtion. The only thing missing was Hank rising from the dead, or Marie being pregnant with Hank jr..
Should have been Walt Jr sat eating breakfast alone, enjoying the peace and quiet.
Certainly beats the Dexter ending i'll tell you that. I've seen much worse.
Second question first: yes there was a band called Jem and the Holograms, and yes I was teased.
As for the more important question, I'm reluctant to say how I would have done it for the simple fact that I'm not a show runner and don't possess an iota of the talent someone like Vince Gilligan has for this sort of thing. That being said, I thought it was a by-the-numbers ending, one in which every box was ticked: freedom for Jesse along with revenge for his girfriend? Check. Walt taking out in his enemies in a surprisingly easy fashion? Check. Walt achieving a reconciliation of sorts with Skylar? Check. Walt dying in a drawn-out, melodramatic fashion? Check.
This was an ending you'd expect from Kurt Sutter, not from the Breaking Bad team.
One of them was on watch duty (or having a smoke outside at least). Sure, it was convenient that he stood in the line of fire, but nowhere near implausible. Why would any of them be out taking a piss when they've seemingly captured their biggest threat? That wouldn't make sense. Of course they all wanted to see what happened.
You can never get a "perfect ending" that everyone is happy with. Everyone will want something different. Some people wanted Walter to fail miserably and be shot in the head by King Nazi and some wanted Walter to figure out a cure for cancer while in the cut, go back and save Jesse and murder all nazis using only his fists. I can see why you may not like the ending, because somehow all the pieces just fell right in place for Walter, but you really should be prepared for that to happen after watching five seasons of the show. That's how the show has worked from the very first episode. Walter always got a break just when he needed it. Even if you don't like the ending calling it "ridiculously badly written" is surely an overstatement.
The whole gun thing was slightly over done but on the whole I liked the ending. Don't think they could have done much better.
I meant the gun scene when I said 'ridiculously badly written' and I stand by that because Walt (otherwise written as some sort of strategical mastermind) takes a huge gamble on his families life, even one Nazi having the presence of mind to just get to the floor to take cover would've been enough to get them all killed.
Other than that the end wasn't that badly written it was just a very typical/ordinary and obvious ending to a great show.
The whole series was filled with highly implausable stuff happening so I didn't find the gun thing too out of kilt, in the same way, for example, the 'green ear's' thing felt off in True Detective. You can't please everyone with these endings. I think they did as good a job with it as any of the other top shows.
I can live with implausable stuff it it's within the parameters the show establishes for itself. But especially within those I found that gun scene cringeworthy.
Over all I think the ending was ok, but I thought it was a very cheap and shallow way to end an otherwise very good show. Or let it put me this way: the show is a 9/10 for me and the ending was a 5/10.
Over all I think the ending was ok, but I thought it was a very cheap and shallow way to end an otherwise very good show. Or let it put me this way: the show is a 9/10 for me and the ending was a 5/10.
As been said, the ending (machine gun included) was along the lines of what else had been going on in the show. Walter took risks a lot of times and it always paid off. The machine gun scene just stands out a bit because it was in the end. I don't particularly like the machine gun scene myself either, because - as you say - there's a lot of things that could go wrong (being forced to park differently (one of the nazis actually comments on this as he parks), anyone being outside the line of fire etc.). At the end of the day though the scene was in tune with the rest of the show.
I think there was bad writing involved in why they went down the machine gun route but it wasn't from that episode. They gave themselves that problem when they wrote the flash forward at the start of season 5 with no idea how or when it was going to fit in.
There was nothing hugely wrong with the ending* apart from the gun nonsense, it just wasn't a special or a bold or an interesting enough ending to be a classic, the way a Sopranos or a Wire was (or even a Shield, which was weaker show, propelled slightly higher than it's run deserved by it's daring ending) Which is a shame. An ending does sort of solidify an opinion of a show. It's the bookend. It doesn't negate what came before, but it creates more of a lasting judgment than any other single episode. And while it's true that any ending was bound to piss somebody off, but I'd rather a truly great show take the risk of pissing people off with their storytelling rather than trying to please them with it. It ended up being the Friends of the super-dramas, rather than the Seinfeld.
*The Lydia/ricin plot annoyed me though. Aside from having the last words/act of the show focused on such a secondary character, it was just a rather pointless thing, semi-forced by the writers trying to resolve their own McGuffin rather than any kind of natural or organic plotting. Who cares about Lydia? No one, but the box needed to be crossed off.
I do think it was slightly overrated in it's final season. It's the only one of the big guns I watched as it aired, so I'm not sure how it compares, but the clamour to shout down any of it's plot holes or missteps was definitely palpable. Hank & Jesse's big realisation moments were both fumbled IMO, but fans were doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to convince themselves they were great (or at worst irrelevant) moments.
*The Lydia/ricin plot annoyed me though. Aside from having the last words/act of the show focused on such a secondary character, it was just a rather pointless thing, semi-forced by the writers trying to resolve their own McGuffin rather than any kind of natural or organic plotting. Who cares about Lydia? No one, but the box needed to be crossed off.
I do think it was slightly overrated in it's final season. It's the only one of the big guns I watched as it aired, so I'm not sure how it compares, but the clamour to shout down any of it's plot holes or missteps was definitely palpable. Hank & Jesse's big realisation moments were both fumbled IMO, but fans were doing all sorts of mental gymnastics to convince themselves they were great (or at worst irrelevant) moments.
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I don't the last episode will affect its legacy in any way. Simply because Ozymandias is the most talked about episode of the series and it pretty much kicked off the climax. It was more of a 3 part-ender. I don't think BB was ever a show that could have pulled off a Sopranos like ending, that would have betrayed the whole tone of the show. They should have though aimed for a Shield like ending, which also gave definitive conclusions to all plot threads but just did it much better way.
So basically, in 10 years from now, people won't be talking about how ricin and machine gun plot lines were resolved but about shit hitting the fan when the whole desert showdown happened.
So basically, in 10 years from now, people won't be talking about how ricin and machine gun plot lines were resolved but about shit hitting the fan when the whole desert showdown happened.