Television Breaking Bad

Cheers mate missed that, i removed another part of that post because it would spoil it and forgot about that part.

I hate getting anything spoiled myself, my mate actually ruined the end of Breaking Bad for me by telling me too much.

That sucks mate, did you at least enjoy Ozymandias without being spoiled? Because for me, and many others, that episode was pretty much the ending.. at least on an emotional level.
 
It's hilarious how rooting for Walt was analyzed as something going wrong with people.

You keep telling yourself that, psycho.

I’ve lost sympathy for Walter White, personally." Says Gilligan. "Not thinking, I’ve said to Bryan Cranston things like “Walt is such a bastard. He’s such a shit.” Then I realized this might color his perception of the man he’s playing, so I found myself biting my tongue the last six months or so.

I find it interesting, this sociological phenomenon, that people still root for Walt. Perhaps it says something about the nature of fiction, that viewers have to identify on some level with the protagonist of the show, or maybe he's just interesting because he is good at what he does. Viewers respond to people who are good at their job, even when they are bad."
 
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I can't remember if it's in this thread or another but Isaac 'Hank' Schrader is the best thing I've ever read
 
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I’ve lost sympathy for Walter White, personally." Says Gilligan. "Not thinking, I’ve said to Bryan Cranston things like “Walt is such a bastard. He’s such a shit.” Then I realized this might color his perception of the man he’s playing, so I found myself biting my tongue the last six months or so.

I find it interesting, this sociological phenomenon, that people still root for Walt. Perhaps it says something about the nature of fiction, that viewers have to identify on some level with the protagonist of the show, or maybe he's just interesting because he is good at what he does. Viewers respond to people who are good at their job, even when they are bad."

Awww, poor Giggums.

The only person who walks away from this show without being a shit or bastard is Holly, and maybe Huell.
 
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What's the best TV series ever then?

I don't like the whole concept of 'the best show ever'. Everybody's different and tastes differ. Personally, I prefer shows like Sopranos or Rome. Doesn't mean they're better or worse, I just found them much more interesting and fascinating than Breaking Bad. As for character development, another AMC show Mad Men is, in my opinion, clearly superior to the BB.
 
That sucks mate, did you at least enjoy Ozymandias without being spoiled? Because for me, and many others, that episode was pretty much the ending.. at least on an emotional level.

Over 51,000 ratings on IMDB and still a full 10/10. Epic episode of television.
 
That sucks mate, did you at least enjoy Ozymandias without being spoiled? Because for me, and many others, that episode was pretty much the ending.. at least on an emotional level.

Unfortunately not mate, my mate spoiled a lot of it for me but it was still a brilliant episode.
 
After hearing and reading so much about it I finally got around to watching the show, all five seasons.

It's certainly a quality series, very well written, and I love Bryan Cranston. And yet, I feel it's a bit overrated. Worth watching? Absolutely. Best TV series ever? Not even close.

That's just pure hyperbole though. It's not my 'best' tv series ever either but to say it's not even close is just nonsense. It is close. Name 10 better.
 
That's just pure hyperbole though. It's not my 'best' tv series ever either but to say it's not even close is just nonsense. It is close. Name 10 better.

I cant name ten off the top of my head but i think the below are all better in their own way.

The Wire
The Sopranos
Deadwood
The West Wing
Band of Brothers
Generation Kill
The World At War

haven't seen Mad Men. We'll see how True Detective develops...
 
Finished season 5, too. Great last few episodes, entertainment-wise.


I hated Walt, though. He was the only evil character out of the lot, and he was responsible for the deaths of some brilliant characters - Hank, Gus, Mike. The way he threatened Hank, poisoned Brock, ordered the hit on Jesse, killed Mike for no reason at all, became a cold-blooded murderer - it's all plain evil. The rest were just looking for good business, Walt was not. It was gut-wrenching to watch all my favourite characters being taken out one by one, you especially feel bad for Marie, Walt Jr. If Walt had known his place, like Mike said, none of that would have happened.

And if Skyler hadn't become his partner, none of Hank, Marie, the kids would have to suffer, too. Such a lovely bitch couple.


The entertainment was great, but it's no classic. There's too much bad taste in the mouth for that.
 
feck Skylar.

A scene that will stick with me is her giving her husband the most pathetic halfhearted handjob I have ever seen in my life. She does this with one hand, while browsing on Ebay with the other. Or how about her forcing Walt to go through with chemo. Or cheating with her boss. Or willingly throwing herself into the meth business. That's not to mention the whining, or irritability. Move the feck out the way and let Walt work.

rant over

Agreed. Such a bitch.

I hold her equally responsible for Hank's death, personally. One second you're scared of your meth-cooking murderer husband, next second you're protecting his money and his sorry ass by betraying the only people who want to help you.

And she didn'r give a feck about the kids, IMO. She thought she did, but she didn't.
 
I was going to actually put
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in the final one, but thought it might have been harsh if he'd read it.

This was the 5th spoiler I opened. Well.
 
True Detective is brilliant, but still not where Breaking Bad is for me. Sopranos is great too, other than that I can't think of a series right now that could compete.
 
Breaking Bad is, to date, the only TV show where I've actually stayed up late to watch a live stream of an episode. Admittedly there's a lot of great TV shows that I haven't got round to watching yet, but I struggle to see any of them causing me to go to that sort of effort to see what's going to happen next. Spoilers for that episode (Blood Money - S05E09) below...

Watching it live (and in conversation with some folks on another website) was insanely fun. Especially the whole "tread lightly" bits - everyone went mental for that :lol:
 
Finished season 5, too. Great last few episodes, entertainment-wise.


I hated Walt, though. He was the only evil character out of the lot, and he was responsible for the deaths of some brilliant characters - Hank, Gus, Mike. The way he threatened Hank, poisoned Brock, ordered the hit on Jesse, killed Mike for no reason at all, became a cold-blooded murderer - it's all plain evil. The rest were just looking for good business, Walt was not. It was gut-wrenching to watch all my favourite characters being taken out one by one, you especially feel bad for Marie, Walt Jr. If Walt had known his place, like Mike said, none of that would have happened.

And if Skyler hadn't become his partner, none of Hank, Marie, the kids would have to suffer, too. Such a lovely bitch couple.


The entertainment was great, but it's no classic. There's too much bad taste in the mouth for that.

Agree, but isn't that kind of the point? That he starts out Series 1 as a normal school teacher, and gradually spirals out of control over the 5 Series'?
Alienating/ killing his family & friends along the way. I think they could have made him a little more likeable by the end, but I don't think it takes too much away from the show.
 
I cant name ten off the top of my head but i think the below are all better in their own way.

The Wire
The Sopranos
Deadwood
The West Wing
Band of Brothers
Generation Kill
The World At War

haven't seen Mad Men. We'll see how True Detective develops...

Not seen Generation Kill yet, it's on my list though. World at War is a documentary series, so I wouldn't put it in such a list. Damn good though.

I'd add a few British shows to that as well.

Cracker was an amazing show.
State of Play - only 6 (I think) episodes, but showed that British TV can do anything the likes of HBO can.
Tinker, Tailor, Soldier, Spy - incredibly believable, and fairly faithful to the book.
 
Agree, but isn't that kind of the point? That he starts out Series 1 as a normal school teacher, and gradually spirals out of control over the 5 Series'?
Alienating/ killing his family & friends along the way. I think they could have made him a little more likeable by the end, but I don't think it takes too much away from the show.

Yes that's the point of the entire show. Quite bemusing that people can't grasp that.
 
I cant name ten off the top of my head but i think the below are all better in their own way.

The Wire
The Sopranos
Deadwood
The West Wing
Band of Brothers
Generation Kill
The World At War

haven't seen Mad Men. We'll see how True Detective develops...

It's a documentary, yes, but I'd place it at the top of my list.

Agree, but isn't that kind of the point? That he starts out Series 1 as a normal school teacher, and gradually spirals out of control over the 5 Series'?
Alienating/ killing his family & friends along the way. I think they could have made him a little more likeable by the end, but I don't think it takes too much away from the show.

I get the spirals out of control part, and I agree with you on that. But surely, they need to give us someone we can stick with all through? You make us hate the lead character and kill off all the side-characters, then who on earth are we supposed to root for? I wanted Walt to come around towards the end, see some sense. Never happened. It's like GOT, in a way.

I still find the show brilliant, though. The screenplay, the plot, the acting, the background music - it's all brilliant. It's just that I feel annoyed at the above facts, is all.
 
I get the spirals out of control part, and I agree with you on that. But surely, they need to give us someone we can stick with all through? You make us hate the lead character and kill off all the side-characters, then who on earth are we supposed to root for? I wanted Walt to come around towards the end, see some sense. Never happened. It's like GOT, in a way.

I still find the show brilliant, though. The screenplay, the plot, the acting, the background music - it's all brilliant. It's just that I feel annoyed at the above facts, is all.
Why do you need somebody to root for? The person you rooted for for the first maybe 4 series turns out to be the most evil character in the show, is that not enough? And yet Jesse, the little punk kid who at the start is clearly not meant to be likeable, is probably the character that most people are rooting for come the end of the show. I don't think you need to have somebody who is always always good, or always bad, and in fact the change in relationship between the characters and the audience is one of the show's biggest triumphs.
 
I would argue that because we saw Walt from when he was just a normal guy it's hard to ever really hate him. He's obviously a a very different man by the end of the show, but I honestly never stopped empathizing with him.

Why is everyone using spoilers? The show ended a while ago.
 
I loved breaking bad too, but I think part of the hype was that everybody watched the last season as it aired, people could talk about it and it generated a lot more hype.

If something like the Sopranos was aired now, would it create the same sort of public interaction?
 
Stop using spoiler tags!

Walt's transformation from protagonist to antagonist was the whole point of the show, using that as the basis for criticism is just daft.
 
Started watching this last couple week. Its great im on episode 2 of 5 so dont want to read this topic much longer
 
Stop using spoiler tags!

Walt's transformation from protagonist to antagonist was the whole point of the show, using that as the basis for criticism is just daft.
Walt was always the protagonist. You can have evil protagonists.
 
Aye, protagonist means lead character not the good guy.
Yeah, the protagonist is the primary character whose story is being told and journey the audience follow - in Breaking Bad that's clearly Walt.
 
I cant name ten off the top of my head but i think the below are all better in their own way.

The Wire
The Sopranos
Deadwood
The West Wing
Band of Brothers
Generation Kill
The World At War

haven't seen Mad Men. We'll see how True Detective develops...

I only rate the Sopranos and Band of brothers in that list. The wire was good but not for me. Deadwood is ok.
 
Finished watching series 5. Ive been crying out for somthing without a "good guys win, everyone goes on to live a happy life" this was great for that. However, i wanted somthibg more from the last episode, not sure what I just feel empty. But i guess that could be the effect they are going for
 
I cant name ten off the top of my head but i think the below are all better in their own way.

The Wire
The Sopranos
Deadwood
The West Wing
Band of Brothers
Generation Kill
The World At War

haven't seen Mad Men. We'll see how True Detective develops...

You can't count Band of Brothers, it's a mini-series and in a different category.