Television Breaking Bad

So we went from hating Walt to rooting for him ... The writers have done an incredible job. Elliott and Gretchen will hopefully die a slow and painful death. About taking out the Nazis, I wonder how they'll go about it, I mean Walt isn't famous for his gunshooting and there are a lot of them ruthless cnuts.
Jesse will surely assist him in some way, my bet is that Jesse will kill Todd who is a pure psychopath (no empathy, no remorse whatsoever) and Walt will kill Uncle Jack.
 
kouroux said:
So we went from hating Walt to rooting for him ... The writers have done an incredible job. Elliott and Gretchen will hopefully die a slow and painful death. About taking out the Nazis, I wonder how they'll go about it, I mean Walt isn't famous for his gunshooting and there are a lot of them ruthless cnuts.
Jesse will surely assist him in some way, my bet is that Jesse will kill Todd who is a pure psychopath (no empathy, no remorse whatsoever) and Walt will kill Uncle Jack.
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I agree but I'm wondering why he didn't kill Skyler and Holly, especially when it seemed like that's what Lydia wanted. He even argued against it when she pushed him on it.

Respect for Walt? Too high-profile a target?
 
If you like Todd you are Hitler and also you don't understand the show and also you don't enjoy it as much as everyone who hates Todd.
 
Yeah Todd's one of the good guys. He's everything Jesse should have been; ruthless, efficient, obedient. Had Walt set up with Todd in S01E01 rather than with Jesse then things would have panned out of whole lot smoother for everybody involved.

It's ironic that the biggest bitch in the entire show turned out to be Jesse Pinkman. Jesse blames Walt for everything bad that has happened to him, yet on almost every occasion it was Jesse's own stupidity, ignorance and outright flippancy that caused the shit to repeatedly hit the the fan for the pair of them.
 
Saw this on twitter -
'next weeks finale is titled "Felina"
Fe (Iron) Li (Lithium) Na (Sodium),
Or, Blood, Meth & Tears. Also an anagram for 'finale'

Interesting stuff...
 
Kinky Melinky said:
Nope. Confessed nothing. They have nothing on Walt that he can't turn around in my opinion
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Well, that's bollocks. They will have and will be able to acquire an absolute shit tonne of evidence now that they know that Walter is Heisenberg.

The entire money laundering operation will have become immediately exposed for a start.
 
Ciderman90210 said:
Well, that's bollocks. They will have and will be able to acquire an absolute shit tonne of evidence now that they know that Walter is Heisenberg.

The entire money laundering operation will have become immediately exposed for a start.
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They have no evidence of him producing meth. Maybe hearsay from Skyler, but that's about it. They could put him under for money laundering/RICO related conviction, but they have nothing else.
 
Given the amount of police and shit that were there when Walt phoned Skylar, I guess we can assume that she and Marie told them pretty much everything when Walt took the baby.
 
Scrumpet said:
Given the amount of police and shit that were there when Walt phoned Skylar, I guess we can assume that she and Marie told them pretty much everything when Walt took the baby.
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First post in the thread since i'm finally watching live episodes.

What does she actually know though? Without the physical evidence of the money, she has absolutely nothing that could even remotely prove he's a druglord.
 
Red-Indian said:
First post in the thread since i'm finally watching live episodes.

What does she actually know though? Without the physical evidence of the money, she has absolutely nothing that could even remotely prove he's a druglord.
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There's enough for it to go to trial and Walt knows he probably wouldn't live to see it. He surely wouldn't get bail after fleeing once before. That's all that matters really.
 
Great episode, loved the way it ended.

I was rooting for Hank but these last 2 episodes did kinda make me feel bad for Walt. He looked an emotional wreck during both the phone calls to Skyler and Flynn. Hope he kills those Nazis and that cnut Elliot.

Not sure what they have in store for Jessie. He's must be shattered emotionally.
 
That ending was fantastically done. Right down to the the elongated theme tune.

The last two episodes have all been about getting you to sympathise with Walt again (in fact much of the 2nd half of the season has, to some degree) making him as pathetic and powerless as possible, which means he'll certainly go out on some kind of hurrah. A pyrrhic one naturally (it will still have all basically been 'for nothing') and not redemption (he won't be a hero to anyone in-universe - and out of still mostly the kind of people who think Tony Montana was) but one that allows him to die with some inner sense of pride clawed back. He's already pretty much lost the series, but he'll 'win' the episode. Battle/war etc etc. It would seem a bit weird for him not to now.

Todd was very good this ep. The little smirk of pride when Jesse was talking about him killing the kid was a nice touch. Jesse will kill him.

The scene with Jesse trying to escape, done mostly in one flat shot was good. I can't imagine that was choreographed. They probably attempted it a few times and went with the most difficult looking take. Made for a powerful scene though.

Jesse's reaction to Andrea, and Walt's pathetic little "it can't have been for nothing" to Jr were out of the park acting wise. Cranston will win the Emmy again next year. It's nailed on to a cross.

kouroux said:
So we went from hating Walt to rooting for him ... The writers have done an incredible job. Elliott and Gretchen will hopefully die a slow and painful death. About taking out the Nazis, I wonder how they'll go about it, I mean Walt isn't famous for his gunshooting and there are a lot of them ruthless cnuts.
Jesse will surely assist him in some way, my bet is that Jesse will kill Todd who is a pure psychopath (no empathy, no remorse whatsoever) and Walt will kill Uncle Jack.
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In a weird way, the mid-season break has made sense regarding their arch for Walt. For the first half they made him as evil as he could be, ending with the prison massacre & the 'whistling'. Then when they returned, they reduced the Heisenberg part (organically, as he's been retired for a while) and then stripped him of everything so negative attitudes towards him would soften. Also bringing in a bigger bad of Nazis (everyone hates Nazis more than Gangsters) was an obvious trick when you look back on it. Still, a good deal of it relied on Cranston's brilliance.

He'll definitely die. I'm imagining an end a bit like Face Off, with the final shot the revelation of a last, victorious, post-mortem plan. Something like the poisoning of Elliot, but probably not as that could seem quite anti-climactic being such a minor character.
 
I'd been re-watching some older eps beforehand, so when I switched it on they were displaying a shot from the last one I watched. I'm definitely doing that next week.
 
I really can't wait to see how he finishes it all off. He's hurting so bad from losing his family and now his pride is wrecked by Elliot and Gretchen. I'll be surprised if it actually is a massive shoot out.

One thing I haven't seen mentioned yet is Todd and Lydia. He has zero empathy for anyone, a complete sociopath. I think she will be used as the way to get to them. Walt already knows that it must be her selling the blue meth so she must be linked with them all and that will be his route to them. I guess at some point he will find out about Todd liking Lydia and use that like he uses Brock against Jesse. At this point I think Jesse would take help from anyone to get out of this situation, even Walt.
 
Things that seem certain to happen:

Nazis get scarfaced
Jesse kills Todd
Lydia dies
Jesse has to decide whether or not to let Walt live
Walt dies

So probably none of that will happen, Jesse will spend the episode wallowing in a puddle on the floor before killing himself, Walt will get shot between the eyes by a Nazi within 5 minutes and the episode ends with Flynn doing meth.
 
Do people really think Walt goes after Gretchen and Elliot? Surely that scene was to tell Walt that the blue meth was still being sold, that the Nazis were profiting from his formula, and Jesse may well be still alive? And also obviously to stir his pride but I don't think he'll go after G&E personally.
 
Feeky_McGlee said:
Do people really think Walt goes after Gretchen and Elliot? Surely that scene was to tell Walt that the blue meth was still being sold, that the Nazis were profiting from his formula, and Jesse may well be still alive? And also obviously to stir his pride but I don't think he'll go after G&E personally.
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Why would he fetch the ricin then? He's certainly not going to use it on the Nazis
 
I've just had a (essentially pointless, but kind of interesting) revelation. Drew Sharp is called Drew Sharp because that's how Todd reacted to him. Please tell me this isn't a thing that everybody knows/worked out a year ago. I've never seen it mentioned anywhere.
 
Feeky_McGlee said:
Do people really think Walt goes after Gretchen and Elliot? Surely that scene was to tell Walt that the blue meth was still being sold, that the Nazis were profiting from his formula, and Jesse may well be still alive? And also obviously to stir his pride but I don't think he'll go after G&E personally.
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Yeah I can't see him caring too much about "getting them". I wouldn't be surprised if he does something brilliant like use the money he has to buy a load of stocks in Grey Matter so people find out that he had a huge investment in the company when he is dead which would obviously ruin them.
 
akash02 said:
Why would he fetch the ricin then? He's certainly not going to use it on the Nazis
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Maybe to use it on himself to demonstrate to Jesse that he's not acting in self-interest in saving him? I just can't see him poisoning Gretchen and Elliot.
 
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