Television Breaking Bad

I think Walt knew exactly why he was taking Holly - I think he sussed it when he said "WE'RE A FAMILY!.........we're a family" and was looking upon Skyler and Jr. cowering in fear from him. I think seeing them so scared gave him the idea that he can pretend he treated her/them this way the entire time.

I don't think he knew what he was doing at all. I think the last few episodes have shown that all of his planning and calculation have come to nothing because of a few small errors, and as he built himself up so high, he had a long way to fall. He thought he was the man in charge, and we saw how that wasn't the case when the Nazi's turned up and shot the hell out of the car he was in, paid no attention to what he wanted and took most of his money. Before that, he still thought Jesse was on-side and could be brought back around with a chat, and that went all tits up and he ended up leading Hank right to him with a confession to boot. I think he took Holly out of desperation and only later realised how much of a shit decision that was. His cancer's back, he's on the run, and in all likelihood he's not got long left. What sort of life is he expected to give her? He knew that the best thing for his family, and for him was to give her back, but I don't think he'd realised that until the scene in the bathroom where she started crying for Skyler. Whether it's actually true or not, Walt had convinced himself that everything he had done, he had done for his family. He knows there's no way back to them, but he's still going to provide for them and protect them regardless of their opinions of him.

My predictions for the end:

Walt finds some high-quality blue meth and realises that Jesse is still alive and cooking for the Nazi's - this is what causes Walt to go back with a machine gun. I reckon Walt's ready for one last stand off and is preparing himself to shoot up the Nazi's and Jesse. I don't know how that's going to go but I think he's going to try and top himself with the ricin. I also expect Skyler/Marie to find the coordinates to Hank's body at some point.
 
Why did Walt tell Jesse about Jane? Didn't seem to be relevant.


He wanted to hurt him. Jesse, conspiring with Hank had just cost him the money he had worked so hard for and in the end cost Hank his life. Rightly or wrongly he blames Jesse. Jesse gave him up, gave up his money and had just spat in his face. Telling him about Jane is just about the worst thing he could do to him so he does it to hurt him.
 
He wanted to hurt him. Jesse, conspiring with Hank had just cost him the money he had worked so hard for and in the end cost Hank his life. Rightly or wrongly he blames Jesse. Jesse gave him up, gave up his money and had just spat in his face. Telling him about Jane is just about the worst thing he could do to him so he does it to hurt him.

I understand why Walt would say it, it just seemed out of place in the episode.
 
Yeah. He took Holly out of desperation, then gave her back after she said "mama" there was no long con about it. The whole 'Walt as manipulative genius' thing has fallen apart the last few episodes anyway.


Maybe so. Either way he did as well as he could do, given the situation.
 
I thought he was going to somehow save Jesse so 'feck do I know
 
Marie couldn't manage it, to be fair.

Walt > Marie

That was unclear before last night.
 
Steal a baby and run away?

No, after he stole the baby and ran away. He could have taken the baby with him in the end too.

Hank is dead, Walt Jnr knows, nazis stole most of his money and Marie knows. Given that he's not dead or in jail, he did well to get away with some money and also devise a way to help give Skylar some plausible deniability.
 
I've no idea where this is going now with two episodes left, which is just brilliant writing.

I think that Walt might kill a member of his family, maybe by accident.
 
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I understand why Walt would say it, it just seemed out of place in the episode.

As far as he can tell, it's the last time he'll ever see Jesse so seeing as we both agree he wants to hurt him I don't see how it's out of place.
 
That popped into my mind too when he said...
"Put me in a coma, why don't you?" But I dunno, that might be a bit obvious.
Exactly, was wondering how nobody mentioned that until now.

Is 'put me in a coma' even an english saying by the way? Is that often used? Can't say I've heard it before.
 
Yeah, it's fine. It's maybe more common to use 'send' instead of 'put' but it's fine.

*What do I know... now that I look on Google there's a lot more talk of put instead of send.
 
Just amazballs all round. Best TV show ever and the best episode ever. Don't think I've ever been looking forward to an ending as much in my life.

The phone call was pretty obvious I thought in it's intention. I actually thought at the time he could have been over egging it a little but then people will believe what they want. Also, there's no way he took Holly with the intention of giving her back, he took her because at that moment in time she was the only family member who wasn't terrified of him or hated him. The bathroom scene was when he realised what he had to do to give the family a chance of survival.

As for the ending, I think...

Walt has to die some way or other. I'm pretty certain that the machine gun is to go after the Nazi's and it's possibly in retribution for them either leaving Jesse alive or he finds out through Saul that they killed Brock/Brocks mum. I think in the end they'll give him a hero's finish. Someone will be saved and he will die in the process. Don't think much more will happen to Skyler (who was brilliant) but all the foreshadowing doesn't look good for Jr :(. The car accident in the hot Mustang looks pretty clear now.

Lydia can't get away scot free from here either so you've got to see her being implicated or killed by the Nazi's. Todd will die, probably in the bunker he was keeping Jesse in or even maybe at Jesse's hands in the lab.

Anyway, it's all to look forward to.
 
might be a bit difficult to get in contact with the family now, even if he wanted to tell them where the body is.

Walt really did take that Gus Fring 'a man provides' speech to heart didn't he? After Skyler tried to kill him and his son lied to the police about who instigated the incident he should have said a massive feck you to the pair of them, especially since he was just as heartbroken as them about Hank's death, despite the fact Hank just arrested him.
It almost sounds like you think Walt is the victim in all this, I must admit I took a totally different perspective on the events.
 
Uggghh quite a few variables, and then random curve balls that could be thrown out. I spent over an hour chatting to a mate of mine tonight about possible endings. I've never done that! This show has had quite the impact
 
Uggghh quite a few variables, and then random curve balls that could be thrown out. I spent over an hour chatting to a mate of mine tonight about possible endings. I've never done that! This show has had quite the impact


I'm sitting here going over stuff in my head.

We should try to do a list of all the loose ends that need tying up. That would give us some idea.
 
I'm sitting here going over stuff in my head.

We should try to do a list of all the loose ends that need tying up. That would give us some idea.


And character's current locations also.

Do I have to put a Spoiler on this? This is all just stupid speculation on my part....

What about Huell? You reckon he's still locked up in that house with a police man in his face? I liked him as a character.

Saul has obviously arranged the car for Walt to go into hiding, because Walt knows Jesse has spilled the beans on the whole operation, resulted in him being a wanted man. They also have phone records of Walt calling Jesse, but with Hank and Co out of the way, who knows where the mobile phone is? Also, whilst I assume that the conversation between Walt and Jesse on Walt's drive out to the desert was recorded, again we don't know where the phone is. Then there is the video confession (we have yet to hear) that Jesse made that I assume is still at Hank's place, but we still don't know who will get their hands on what (DEA or Nazis)

The only thing I can think of that would land Walter in the shit is the phone call to Skyler in yesterday's episode but if you read the dialogue below, he didn't mentioned what he was responsible for building. He kept it quite vague and merely said that he built it himself. Also, the involvement Walter is referring to over the phone is vague. It could easily be turned around as his gambling problem, and that's how he earned his money, and it's something that he never wanted his son to know about.

Now...I realize that the phone conversation in this most recent episode was taped, but due to how vague it is, would any of it stand as evidence linking Walter to the great Heisenberg? The only part of the conversation below that could land him in trouble is the part about Hank, but when you consider the tape they made blaming Hank it could easily be argued that Walter was telling Skyler she wouldn't be seeing Hank again because "he crossed me." It's not a whole lot different to the video Walter made.

Skyler knows that Walter was helping both her, and her family during the phone call by taking the blame for everything, and distancing Skyler from it all. In the same way as Skyler mentioned in the Hotel room about murdering Jesse, how far would she go to cover their family's ass? I'm not sure Skyler would be devious to realize this, but if Walter found out that Marie was dead it would mean that the only thing linking him to Heisenberg is whatever Jesse said to the DEA. I would imagine also that Walter is bright enough to know that whatever Jesse said to Hank died with Hank on the premise that Hank had too much to loose by going public with this whole mess. Obviously Walter isn't aware of the Video confession, but Jesse and The Nazis are.

So either Skyler kills Marie (unlightly) or The Nazis come for the tape and murder Marie in the process, eliminating any living evidence of Heisenberg, the $80million and the Blue Meth Operation allowing them to operate under the new higher standard as taught by Jesse and cooked by Todd (and maybe Jesse). I also get the impression that the thrashed up house is linked to the Nazi's attempt to murder Marie - but hey....who knows.

Skyler realizes that the only way to gain vengeance on the gang who murdered her sister is to get in touch with Walter and inform him that every shred of evidence that once linked him to the meth cooking racket has vanished and that he is safe to come out of hiding and seek revenge for his dead sister and brother in law.

In the process Walt gets light of a new blue meth product on the market and realizes that Pinkman has joined up with the gang who robbed him of his $80 million. Time for the mother fecking showdown!

Oh...and by now Walt Jnr has driven his car off a cliff....not on purpose though. Bad accident.

The showdown is Walt v Nazi's with Jesse Pinkman being an unwilling ally of the latter.

The Phone conversation from yesterday's episode goes as follows:

Skyler: Walt, where is Holly?

Walt: Are you alone? No police?

Skyler: No! No Police. Where are you? Where's Holly? Walt!?

Walt: What the hell is wrong with you? Why can't you do one thing I say?

Skyler: What?

Walt: This is your fault. This is what comes of your disrespect. I told you Skyler. I warned you for a solid year; you cross me, there will be consequences. What part of that didn't you understand?

Skyler: You took my child!

Walt: Cuz you need to learn!

Skyler: You bring her back!

Walt: Maybe now you'll listen. Maybe now you'll use your damn head. You know, you never believed in me. You were never grateful for anything I did for this family. "Oh no Walt, Walt, you have to stop. You have to stop this. It's immoral. It's illegal. Someone might get hurt." You're always whining and complaining about how I made my money, just dragging me down, while I do everything. And now, now you tell my son what I do? After I've told you, and told you to keep your damn mouth shut! You stupid bitch! How dare you?

Skyler: I'm sorry

Walt: You, you have no right to discuss anything about what I do...oh and what the hell do you know about it anyway? Nothing! I built this. Me! Me alone, nobody else.

Skyler: You are right. You're right.

Walt: You mark my words Skyler, toe the line, or you will wind up just like Hank.

Skyler: Walt, tell me what happened. Where is Hank? Please. We need to know.

Walt: You're never going to see Hank again. He crossed me. You think about that. Family or no. You let that sink in.

Skyler: Walt, I just want Holly back. Please Walt. Just come home.

Walt: I've still got things left to do
 
If Skylar realised that the things Walt said on the phone were an attempt to get her off the hook (which she probably did), did she also realise Walt was lying when he said he killed Hank? Or does she still believe Walt killed him?

Another question, related to the cast of the episode. Not sure if it's a spoiler so...
Before the episode aired I read some people pointing out that the cast list for the episode on IMDB included the actors who played Gus, Krazy 8, Jane, Mike and Gael. This was highlighted as a potential spoiler, so I figured there'd be a flashback to them or something. What was the deal with that?
 
As well, it has been pointed out in other places that Walt's reaction to Hank dying is almost identical to the way Gus reacted when his friend died. Another trait in common...
 
If Skylar realised that the things Walt said on the phone were an attempt to get her off the hook (which she probably did), did she also realise Walt was lying when he said he killed Hank? Or does she still believe Walt killed him?

Another question, related to the cast of the episode. Not sure if it's a spoiler so...
Before the episode aired I read some people pointing out that the cast list for the episode on IMDB included the actors who played Gus, Krazy 8, Jane, Mike and Gael. This was highlighted as a potential spoiler, so I figured there'd be a flashback to them or something. What was the deal with that?

Apparently IMDb is similar to wikipedia in that anybody can edit the details. Just someone wumming.

I remember months back people thought episode 9 was to be called "The Decision" because of IMDb.
 
Great episode, sad to see Hank die but for the show to really move on some major characters have to die. There'll be no more possible "happy" ending now for this show. Todd is awesome
 
If Skylar realised that the things Walt said on the phone were an attempt to get her off the hook (which she probably did), did she also realise Walt was lying when he said he killed Hank? Or does she still believe Walt killed him?

Another question, related to the cast of the episode. Not sure if it's a spoiler so...
Before the episode aired I read some people pointing out that the cast list for the episode on IMDB included the actors who played Gus, Krazy 8, Jane, Mike and Gael. This was highlighted as a potential spoiler, so I figured there'd be a flashback to them or something. What was the deal with that?

I don't think it would matter if Walt told Skyler/Marie that he didn't kill Hank, it would have been useless from his POV to explain those things. He's responsible for Hank's death, even indirectly. So I think they really believe he killed him.
 
Was seeing a selection of top breaking bad quotes but surprised to see this one from skyler omitted

"Someone has to protect this family from the man who protects this family"

Loved it.
 
Are you the replacement Liam we ordered?

Possibly, it doesn't matter to me whether Walt wins or loses though. Every character in the show is flawed, but has redeeming features and no matter how much you hate Walt at this point, to try and protect someone who just tried to, you know, kill you dead, whether they were 'justified' or not, or family or not- it takes a measure of maturity and dispassionate empathy.
 
By the way, the symmetry in the episode with the two phone calls has been underlined here, am I mistaken in saying that Walt, when he was still a teacher in season 1, was seen giving a lecture to his students about how chemistry is all about symmetry? I can't remember exactly, I may be mixing things up.
 
Bryan Cranston as Walt is (clearly) better than James Gandolfini as Tony Soprano. There, I said it.