You'll never get through the first series of BB now because you'll just be waiting for Saul to appear the whole time 
Television Better Call Saul | Includes Breaking Bad Spoilers
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We've nearly finished two seasons of a show called 'Better Call Saul' and the character Saul has appeared maybe twice.
I don't even think the writers know where they are going with Jimmy/Saul now. When I watch it I find myself not bothered about the law side of it anymore, Kim and her career ladder side story couldnt care less.
I don't see no connection to Mike whatsoever or even Saul for that matter, mikes scenes are the only interesting segment of the show, but if you've watched BB you know how it pans out for those characters.
I don't see no connection to Mike whatsoever or even Saul for that matter, mikes scenes are the only interesting segment of the show, but if you've watched BB you know how it pans out for those characters.
Kim needs to learn how to brush her teeth properly.
I'm enjoying the series personally. Solid show IMO.
I made that exact comment to the missus as we watched itWith BB they had a start point, and an end point and filled it in through the seasons. They knew what the purpose of the main character was.
With this, it seems they kinda know cos of BB, but its just... not progressing.
Really the Mike stuff is the only thing thats entertaining. The other stuff, it just... happens without being enjoyable. And Gilligan sure loves the shot of an object and having a camera underneath it focusing up.
With this, it seems they kinda know cos of BB, but its just... not progressing.
Really the Mike stuff is the only thing thats entertaining. The other stuff, it just... happens without being enjoyable. And Gilligan sure loves the shot of an object and having a camera underneath it focusing up.
Well, that escalated quickly...
Also, did Mike do/say anything in that episode other than make faces?
Also, did Mike do/say anything in that episode other than make faces?
Anyone watched the latest episode yet? Half way through it here, if I wasn't so stubborn in having to finish tv series I'd pack the whole thing in now.
Self-indulgent crap.
Edit: good timing of post.
Self-indulgent crap.
Edit: good timing of post.
Saul's just inspired me to get a new colourful suit.
It has to be one of the most frustrating shows on TV. There's a great storyline waiting to come out but instead we focus on the nitty gritty of Kim Wexler's legal career. Seems pointless because we know she's not part of Breaking Bad and even if she is the final catalyst for Jimmy becoming Saul it still seems excessive to invest so much of the story in her struggles.
When the camera was slowly zooming in on him more and more as he recorded and re-recorded his answering machine message I was half expecting him to suddenly decide to change his name.
Decent episode that, moved the story along and opened the door.
Decent episode that, moved the story along and opened the door.
Yeah, likewise.
So we're now, what, 17 episodes into this show? And last nights episode could literally have been the first ever episode.
It wasn't a bad episode in its own right, it just completely invalidated absolutely everything we've been watching.
It wasn't a bad episode in its own right, it just completely invalidated absolutely everything we've been watching.
If this was a standalone series, with no breaking bad relations, I bet most in here wouldnt even give it a chance....Its just our expectations to see him turn into Saul, thats keeping it going....
I did think the whole outrageous wardrobe/mad behaviour at work sequence was actually really funny.
How does it invalidate anything?
We've basically been shown his internal struggle with trying to conform to please other people and his own desire to play fast and loose, or as Kim called it 'straight v colourful'.
Yea they've dragged it out, painfully at times, but it's not been invalid.
Yea that was great, when he hung all those suit bags on the rail and opened them to reveal the loud shirts etc I laughed and thought 'here we go'.
I stopped 3 episodes back. Might pick it up again at some point but at the moment I'm just not that interested.
So at the start of episode 1 Jimmy was a struggling lawyer fronting his own firm without any clients.
At the start of episode 18 he'll be a struggling lawyer fronting his own firm without any clients - with a pay off from Davis and Main. In episode 1 he arranged a con to get the Kettleman's to be his clients, he was hardly a paragon of virtue.
After 18 episodes we're a small amount of character development -nothing they couldn't have done in literally 2 or 3 episodes - away from literally nothing having happened of any relevance. And every time they make it seem like the stories going to progress they contrive of someway to throw it all away and take themselves back to step one.
Did this get any better in season 2? Found season 1 fairly boring.
It's all back story, it's a prequel about the things that led him to where he ended up.
Like I said, they've definitely dragged it out too long but it's definitely not all been irrelevant.
Well thats my point.
After 18 episodes, have we really seen anything thats shown 'where he ended up'? We get it, he's a bloke that takes risks/cuts corners/does shady things. But they made that point in Episode 1, and I really don't think the journey of nearly 2 seasons of BCS has shown us anything more than that.
I think this is more of a slow burner of a TV programme - it's not really for people who like all action and people getting killed every few minutes - you're better off sticking to GTA or the Fast and Furious films if you do.
I'm enjoying it though.
Oh yeah obviously I don't 'get' it. You're talking to a bloke who will spend 5 days in a row watching test cricket.
I've got no problem with the pacing, I have a problem with the fact that the story has gone literally no where in 17 hours of TV.
Good lord man
I actually quite like the show and it's tempo, unlike many others in this thread - but, God Almighty, the whole "please fire me" part of the episode was ridiculously stretched. What was that, 5 minutes? 10? It felt like infinity
Am I the only one that likes this and has been enjoying it every week?
I think it's s great show. It's very subtle in its ways but you can see he's being worn down gradually after trying to fit in with the system. I think it's necessary to show that before the change to Saul. I do agree though that it's been a bit samey at times and they could be progressing more with it but I'm interested to see how they get to Saul from here.
I will admit I thought that when he was recording his voicemail message he was gonna say Saul Goodman instead of Jimmy and start the transformation but no...
I think it's s great show. It's very subtle in its ways but you can see he's being worn down gradually after trying to fit in with the system. I think it's necessary to show that before the change to Saul. I do agree though that it's been a bit samey at times and they could be progressing more with it but I'm interested to see how they get to Saul from here.
I will admit I thought that when he was recording his voicemail message he was gonna say Saul Goodman instead of Jimmy and start the transformation but no...
oh God, I'm sorry, I feel awful now
I think the problem is that people who watched BB think, reasonably, that it's going to be a similar sort of show but this is its own show. If anything, it's quite similar to the "slower" episodes of BB - the ones that a lot of BB fans didn't really like.
oh God, I'm sorry, I feel awful now
I think the problem is that people who watched BB think, reasonably, that it's going to be a similar sort of show but this is its own show. If anything, it's quite similar to the "slower" episodes of BB - the ones that a lot of BB fans didn't really like.
Yeah, I think that might be part of it. But its not really my criticism of the show. Maybe I should reserve criticism until the end of the season and see if they finish it off strongly.
But my problem is more that although a lot of episodes are, on their own, good episodes - even this weeks I thought was perfectly decent - theres no real intent to tell the story its trying to tell, slow and purposeful is good, but too often, its slow and bumbling, rambling along exactly like a show whose creators admit are making it up as they go along.
Every time it looks like they're going somewhere with a plot line, they tug the carpet out from underneath it.
They just don't have the material. Mike walking to his car after showing off the house he bought. Kim standing smoking. Those scenes were next to meaningless. The directors and writers are too in love with their art and forgetting the basics of storytelling. I'll continue to watch it because there's still enough credit in the bank from Breaking Bad. But they're pushing it.
'He say's "You're welcome"'
Now Mike's story is moving too slowly. WE NEED BALANCE DAMMIT
On the whole a couple of decent moments aside this has been a very poor season. Another pointless episode last night.
Did this show turn into "Kim Wexler, Attorney at Law" and I just didn't notice it?
I wonder if we'll ever find out how the Sandpiper case goes.
I still enjoy it, but yeah it is seriously slow. Hopefully this season will be the last of Jimmy (and Kim) and next season we will get some actual Saul shenanigans.
Exactly me when I watch this now, I've decided this show is crap. If something doesn't happen drastically in the finale that will make me look forward to it next season I won't bother. The breaking bad connection is the only reason this show gets ratings anyway.
I don't really mind the pacing as it acts as a nice buffer to the other shows I'm currently watching, which in contrast are running at a million miles an hour (literally in some cases).