Selling Owen wouldn't be a good idea.
Bent to Villa for £18m
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And you've obviously never been to Birmingham.
There's more to do there than in Sunderland and everywhere else in the country is easy to get to. From a purely "Where would someone prefer to live" context (especially for someone with plenty of cash), Brum wins.
Whats wrong with 18m? Didn't Sunderland sign him for around 15m and once again hes proven to get 15+ goals. tbh i thought it would be more, with him being English n'all.
Strange transfer though if it goes through.
This is on his wiki
Strange transfer though if it goes through.
This is on his wiki
It would be the best thing in the world to see him win the league with us just to see Scouse reactions
It would sum up Owen's career, leaves Liverpool to win the Champions League next season Liverpool win it. Joins United to win the league, get's farmed out on loan and misses a medal by a few games.
Had forgot about the wind up capabilities that him winning a medal would bring though.
In the same way that Shawcross and Rossi were?
You may very well be right and Ferguie may rate him, but he's not likely to tell the press he sending him out on loan becuase he's not that bothered about keeping him.
Welbeck will also have a say. His first team opportunites at United are likely to be limited up against Rooney and Berbatov in the short term and he might want to play regularly.
We'll see how highly Fergie rates Welbeck if Sunderland bid £10 million for him.
This reminds me of that whole Villa bidding 16m for Kevin Phillips in 2002 palaver. Mental.
Darren Bent moving to Villa will make Ashley Young's transfer to Liverpool possible. Meanwhile, N'Zogbia as well as Michael Owen are Sunderland bound, if my source is to be believed.
Now that I digest it a bit, 18m today for Bent is probably like 12m five years ago. Not really a bad purchase for a guy proven to get 10-20 goals per season. Granted if they sell Young then it's not a step forward.
So are we going to get money for Owen if he goes to Sunderland?
What a bizarre transfer we would be. Bent is a twit.
What an odd transfer...
Be interesting to see what Brucey does with the money though. He's a canny one when it comes to signings. Good track record on the whole.
Be interesting to see what Brucey does with the money though. He's a canny one when it comes to signings. Good track record on the whole.
Don't think this would have anything to do with Welbeck, its just silly money that Sunderland have to accept. They've actually been playing better football without Bent, didn't rate Gyan before this season but he's actually been pretty impressive and they've definitely more attractive when playing Welbeck and Gyan up front.
No doubt they will bid for Welbeck, but I doubt we'd sell.
No doubt they will bid for Welbeck, but I doubt we'd sell.
Welbeck has enormous potential. Like with Evans, we will not sell to Sunderland. Welbeck is a future United and England star.
Welbeck has enormous potential. Like with Evans, we will not sell to Sunderland. Welbeck is a future United and England star.
Exactly, not only that but he's a Manchester lad who's supported the club since he was a kid, it would be terrific to have him in our first team one day. We don't have an academy just to turn a profit, SAF always wants to bring kids through and selling the best prospect we've had for a while would be Real Madrideque.
Welbeck has enormous potential. Like with Evans, we will not sell to Sunderland. Welbeck is a future United and England star.
You wouldn't let Welbeck go for 18m rising up to 24? Okay.
As for him being a future United an England star, it's still far too early to tell
Since August 2005 Bent has scored 81 Premier League goals, only Rooney and Drogba (both 82) have more in the same period.
Have you watched him this season? He's got everything a player needs to be a success in England; he's very fast, he's ambidextrous, he's good in the air, strong and is a genuine well rounded footballer. I'd rather we tried to emulate what Barca are doing by developing our own players than just make a fast buck.
Of course there's every chance he'll turn out one. But if there's a choice of keeping him at United or selling him at Bent's price now, i'll personally choose the latter. Is just me though and i'm not in a position to decide for the club, so don't worry about it
Exactly. Also who knows what's going to happen with squad rules, home grown players etc. A club like us should not be selling our talent, we shouldn't need the money. These players can then go on to tell the next generation what it means to play for United, what it means to come through the academy and earn a living playing for the club you supported.
There's so many more benefits to having home grown players than there appears to be on the surface.
Why would you sell him? You say for £18m you definitely would but why? What do you plan on doing with the £18m that you couldn't do with the money already set aside for transfers? I'll never understand this facination modern fans have with transfer fees. We've got a potentially fantastic young talent on our hands but you'd rather have a wod of cash, it makes no sense.
Because they're transfer muppets. It's like an addiction, they just need the next fix and logic and the real world are just obstacles to the next buzz.
So Villa have refused to spend much money in recent times and now they are splashing out 18 million on Bent?
If Fergie thinks he's a bloody good chance of making it into our first team (which he seems to), I doubt he would. Why sell Welbeck for that amount and then have to spend a similar amount on someone else?
So ... maybe then we'll see Bent to Villa, Gordon to United for Wellbeck and Young to ...., err I'd say Liverpool ... he's their type of player I reckon, and I mean that in the old Liverpool.
Everybody wins except perhaps Villa as the deal as it stands seems a bit excessive.
Seems odd him submitting his transfer request. Has been a great player for them and the focus of their team. Maybe some off the pitch stuff between him and Bruce.
Comical view: Maybe it's all about him not being allowed on twitter
As for his value. 18-24m for a proven 20 goal a season striker who's only 26? I'd say that's about right. Keane was alot worse and went for 18m.
Comical view: Maybe it's all about him not being allowed on twitter
As for his value. 18-24m for a proven 20 goal a season striker who's only 26? I'd say that's about right. Keane was alot worse and went for 18m.
How on earth do United 'win' with that scenario?!
Has it really gone so far as personal terms? I thought Aston Villa gave a £18m bid whom Sunderland yet had to accept.
Everything about this deal is strange, the only logical deal is that they are selling to afford Welbeck permanent, but Sir Alex has already said that won't happen, and based on Welbecks performances this season I really hope that is true.
As for Darren Bent, if he were to leave Sunderland for Aston Villa now, those personal terms would have to be quite substantial. I really don't think Aston Villa will overtake Sunderland any time soon. Steve Bruce has done a great job, while houllier seemingly has destroyed Villa.
How do you rate value though? Bent is getting old, soon 27 years old, probably on the peak of his career, but he only has 5 years left. Welbeck is a raising star whom just went 20, he might have 15 years ahead of him, there are not many 20 year olds at his level, and it damn seldom Ferguson give kids chances when they are only 18, he did not give Scholes a chance until he was 22. Just look at Sunderland with and without him... Vast differences, at least when I have seen them, they are far better with him on the pitch, and far worse without him. In my opinion there are no grounds per today to claim that Bent is worth more than Welbeck. This season Welbeck has been better, and he can be worth far more money in a few years.
I think Welbeck should cost more than Bent if we are to sell him. I wanted to sell him ahead of the season, but based on how good he has been this season I really hope he will get a go, he is also multifunctional, he can play as a secondary forward, striker and a winger, that makes it easier to give him playing time and develop him. I really hope our current stand is that Welbeck is not for sale.
Why is that the only logical thing? OK, I know this is a United forum and the fact we have a striker on loan there gives as an added interest, but not everything is about us. They probably don't want to keep a player who wants to go and got a good enough offer. I strongly expect they'll sign a replacement before the transfer window closes. They may go for Welbeck eventually as well - as they would have anyway - but we'll say no and that's that.
They won't have to buy Welbeck, there are plenty of other strikers around who could replace Bent and with Bruce's eye for players they will probably end up with someone twice as good, half the price. Though I can see them going after Rodallega (did he play at Wigan under Bruce?).
Welbeck has outplayed Bent this season, hands down. Bent turns 27 in two weeks, Welbeck turned 20 not two months ago. Welbeck is still very much on the rise, while Bent has peaked, it's a question of how long he can maintain his level before sliding back.
Factor in that you're usually paying for potential in the transfer market, so I'd say Welbeck is worth more than Bent right now.
Factor in that you're usually paying for potential in the transfer market, so I'd say Welbeck is worth more than Bent right now.
27 is a nothing age but this will probably be his last big money move as he strongly relies on pace and he's bound to lose a yard or two of that in the next few years. From Villa's point of view it isn't the best deal because they are basically paying a huge price with no view of getting the money back.
The way Welbeck has been performing this season I find that very hard to believe... Darren Bent and Asamoah Gyan are both big name forwards, Welbeck has outperformed them both this season, something that is really impressive... I had no faith in Welbeck what so ever ahead of this season, based on his current season I have regained the faith that he can become someone truly great.
They will struggle replacing Bent though, especially in the January transfer-window. I would have told Bent - ok if you want to leave you can do so, but you are going to have to wait until the summer, then they have six months finding a replacement. Right now Sunderland has a small chance of being top four, even though that is unlikely, but at least a spot in the euro league is rather likely.
It is always a bad idea to sell key players in the middle of the season. It is impossible to replace someone like him, in January is impossible, even with a £18m.
Bent is a great player for a bottom half team. He's the type you build your entire attack around and he'll score plenty of goals as long as you feed him.
That's pretty much all he is though, he's limited to that style of attack where everything is built around him. If you are trying to build a team that has multiple attacking options that work well together, he's not really your man. That's why he couldn't really settle at Spurs, and it looks like Sunderland are trying to step up to that level so if they spend that money wisely it could work out well for them too. Ultimately however, something tells me that they won't spend it wisely and they'd be better off keeping Bent.
It's a good deal for Villa though, he's as much of a sure thing as you can get in their position. No chance they'll get relegated if they use him properly, so that's well worth 18m.
That's pretty much all he is though, he's limited to that style of attack where everything is built around him. If you are trying to build a team that has multiple attacking options that work well together, he's not really your man. That's why he couldn't really settle at Spurs, and it looks like Sunderland are trying to step up to that level so if they spend that money wisely it could work out well for them too. Ultimately however, something tells me that they won't spend it wisely and they'd be better off keeping Bent.
It's a good deal for Villa though, he's as much of a sure thing as you can get in their position. No chance they'll get relegated if they use him properly, so that's well worth 18m.
I meant twice as good and half the price compared to Bent, not Welbeck. Bent is a good, proven striker but he's no David Villa and could be replaced. They won't win anything this season anyway but have a chance of making Europe - not sure if Bruce pays any attention to it. No chance in hell they will make too 4, not now, not anytime soon.
There's absolutely no chance Welbeck is worth as much as Bent. Not a chance in hell.
I think Welbeck will go on to be a better player but lets face it. Bent is a proven goalscorer in the Premier League, Welbeck has had a decent 6 months.
There's no way he'd command such a whopping fee unless someone like City got a bit silly.
I think Welbeck will go on to be a better player but lets face it. Bent is a proven goalscorer in the Premier League, Welbeck has had a decent 6 months.
There's no way he'd command such a whopping fee unless someone like City got a bit silly.
Aahh, that makes far more sense. But in January, that is also unlikely.
I suppose Villa are thinking 'if we sign Bent do we guarantee ourselves not being relegated which would cost us £50 million'. I actually think that with his goals they won't get relegated and if they do they could sell him on in the summer for 12-14 million so while it seems over priced I suppose there is sense behind it.
The younger you are, the more you are worth. If they sign Welbeck, and he continues his current development he can be worth tons of money in a few years, quite possibly far more than £18m. He is a key player at Sunderland and only 20 years old. That is extremely impressive, there are no doubt that this season Welbeck has been a more important player for Sunderland than Bent.
Based on how well he has played this season, I would not let him go for a penny less then £20m in the January transfer window.
They won't go down anyway, I think.