Lets also not forget that for the last 2 Summers Fergie has tried to sign an established centre forward, if this happened it'd be a green light for Welbeck to move (in my opinion).
Bent to Villa for £18m
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Perhaps Sunderland have a first option to buy ? We never know.
How mich did Villa go to Barcelona for? My mate is telling me it was £27m, surely that cannot be right?
€40m, around £33,5m is what I've heard.
Villa are gunna be immense on FIFA11 now 
Done deal.
Deets known?
I don't see why Sunderland being in the market for a striker suddenly means we're going to sell Welbeck. Whether or not Sunderland have a vacancy up front their will obviously be other clubs willing to sign a talented young English striker who has proven he can score goals in the Premier League.
Whether or not Welbeck is let go depends on Fergie's transfer plans this summer, the ins and outs at Villa and Sunderland are irrelevant.
Besides, even if we're only discussing Sunderland's options up front, why is everyone forgetting about Frazier Campbell?
Huh?
True... but it wouldn't surprise me if we had to sell before we could buy.
If we were going to sell I doubt it would be Welbeck. I imagine it would be more likely to be players like PIG (£4m ish?), Wes (£2m?), Gibson (5m?) , De Laet (£2m?), Ajose (£2m?), Diouf (£4m?) and Stewart (£2m).
Most of those players we could arguably do without and have a decent reputation and would allow us to bring in a decent amount of money. I think any money we'd get for Welbeck would be used buying a player for much the same money, on higher wages and who may not even have more potential.
Most of those players we could arguably do without and have a decent reputation and would allow us to bring in a decent amount of money. I think any money we'd get for Welbeck would be used buying a player for much the same money, on higher wages and who may not even have more potential.
I'd wager a guess and say deets = details.
Anyway, here's the scoop.
it a bit bizzare he chose to leave Sunderland in the middle of the season when they are doing well in the league.
Decent signing for Villa and exactly what they need - someone to put away the chances. The money is crazy but he's certainly up there with the league's finest in terms of goalscoring ability, especially for a team at the level of Villa.
BBC Sport - Football - Darren Bent moves to Aston Villa in record deal
Thats pretty impressive given the teams hes played for and the bench time he had at spurs.
24m (including potential add-ons) is an amazing price for Bent: I can only imagine that Villa's owner is panicking about the prospect of relegation because at this rate they are going to rack up another big accounting loss.
Still, Spurs get 10% of the profit made by Sunderland beyond the 16.5m they paid Spurs for Bent, so I'm not complaining .... every little helps.
Still, Spurs get 10% of the profit made by Sunderland beyond the 16.5m they paid Spurs for Bent, so I'm not complaining .... every little helps.
Big price - but Bent scores goals. Bet O'Neill's got something to say about Villa spending that much on one player.
Bruce's reaction is terrific, I reckon they might raid Wigan for Rodellega although Bruce might have another relatively unknown player up his sleeve.
Utter lunacy
That is what I thought too but the fee is around the region of 24m now. So this is a great deal for Sunderland. They have made a profit of around 8m and now have more money to spend in the transfer market.
That is just bullcrap.
Indeed. Just imagine how much Harry's wife would be going for!
*Thanks to ACEtheORIGINAL for that lame gag
He's only 26, he's a proven scorer - it's a little bit crazy but not totally mental.
Redknapp´s wife Sandra.Indeed. Just imagine how much Harry's mum would be going for!
*Thanks to ACEtheORIGINAL for that lame gag
he's going to have to work hard to get in the team infront of John Carew and Emile Heskey
Brucey must be doing backflips in his office.
24 fecking million.
feck right off. Jesus.
24 fecking million.
feck right off. Jesus.
Id say Ireland and Young will be off shortly aswell
I suspect you've answered your own question.
That, and people just seem to want change for change's sake. Sell players and get in players of equivalent ability but who are "new".
I take your £16 million for Kevin Phillips and raise it
https://www.redcafe.net/f9/niall-quinn-states-he-turned-down-20m-spurs-bid-kenwyne-jones-251234/
This was the same Niall Quinn who claimed - on the official Sunderland site - that the deal for Bent from Spurs was for 10m only, when the Spurs legally-required statement to the Stock Exchange confirmed it was for 16.5m.
Thus he is proven to tell whatever lies he thinks will please the Sunderland fans.
Spurs paid 16.5m for Modric: the notion that Spurs would offer 25m for Kenwynne Jones (FFS!) is completely without credibility.
Yeah, and if they rated him that highly surely they'd have been back in for him at 8 mill when they still could use a striker.
Can't really see why so much of an issue is being made of this transfer.
Bent's exactly what Villa need as they lack a proven goal scorer and whatever you say about Bent he's one of the best in the Premiership for getting goals for the clubs he has been at.
I'm fairly confident Villa will move up the table with him in the side. There's not a vast amount in terms of points between the mid table sides and the relegation contenders.
18m is about the going rate for a Darren Bent at the moment. Look at what City paid for Milner. United are going to have enter the market for an established player we want sooner rather than later and when we finally do so, we will probably being paying over the subjective transfer valuations that come about on the CAF.
You could argue Villa could have forced a better deal as Bent seems to have instigated the transfer but it makes sense for them to conclude the deal ASAP.
Bent's exactly what Villa need as they lack a proven goal scorer and whatever you say about Bent he's one of the best in the Premiership for getting goals for the clubs he has been at.
I'm fairly confident Villa will move up the table with him in the side. There's not a vast amount in terms of points between the mid table sides and the relegation contenders.
18m is about the going rate for a Darren Bent at the moment. Look at what City paid for Milner. United are going to have enter the market for an established player we want sooner rather than later and when we finally do so, we will probably being paying over the subjective transfer valuations that come about on the CAF.
You could argue Villa could have forced a better deal as Bent seems to have instigated the transfer but it makes sense for them to conclude the deal ASAP.
The price is 24m, including future potential add-ons.
What are the add ons though? It always annoys me when they are quoted in full for the transfer when they have not been realised. Most of the time it's just the media being lazy.
We had this with Carrick when we only paid 14m upfront and the media quoted the adds on as if they had been paid to the full 18.6m. Same with Rooney. Generally if the add ons have been paid then he has been successful both individually and collectively with the club so the extra would be worth it and in essence the add ons pay for themselves.
Well, mostly the add-ons do get paid eventually - as happened with Carrick, as happened with Bent's sale to Sunderland etc etc.
You can't just ignore add-ons as if they don't exist.
The question then becomes is Bent worth 24m? Personally I think not.
You can't ignore the add ons but what people don't seem to factor in is if the add ons are actually paid the deal tends to reflect good value for the buying club.
United paid 14m upfront for Carrick. That was what we paid in the transfer fee to get the player. Plenty of adds on were attached to the deal in terms of individual appearances, success for the club and such like which could see it rise to 18.6m. I can't remember them exactly but United's deals always followed a similar line with extras paid for winning titles and the CL as well as based on the number of appearances the player made. If those are paid it tends to mean the player has contributed to what the club actually wanted(i.e. they have signed someone who has featured for them regularly and helped them towards success) so payment of the add ons is precisely what you would want.
What tends to happen is the add ons are added to the fee paid at the beginning when they have not been realised and used as a means of further criticising the value of the deal when the transfer is made because it inflates the fee. It's not the correct way of measuring them and it's fecking annoying when the fees for the likes of Nani, Anderson, Rooney and Carrick are banded about. Club's structure deals like that because they have no problems paying them out and the selling club can get more money on a future basis which makes them more likely to sell. It's sensible.
The fee paid upfront for the player is what the clubs have agreed is how much they value him and how much they are paying to secure his services alone. The add ons should be measured differently.
The one thing with Bent is that Villa could have strung the deal out abit as he had put in a transfer request and secured a lower fee and potentially lower add ons as well but seemed happy to pay what Sunderland wanted immediately. I could get an argument criticising them for this but not one that values Bent at 24m immediately when they have not paid that for him. If people don't think he is worth 18m then fair enough, but I'd say that is about the going rate for a proven English born goalscorer at the moment.
I'd say in the current market a attacking player is worth a minimum of a £1m for every goal they score in the premier league on average a season. Not taking into account age (obviosuly more if they've been doing it consistently at a young age and less if they're coming towards the end of they're careers).
Players are only ever worth what people are prepared to pay for them, If Villa are prepared to pay 24m for Bent he's worth 24m.
Players are only ever worth what people are prepared to pay for them, If Villa are prepared to pay 24m for Bent he's worth 24m.
tbf to Bent, if Villa win their game in hand they are only 9 points behind Sunderland with arguably a better set of players around him.