I love these type of signings even if they don't bare fruit for a few years
Ayden Heaven
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In the latest episode of the United Hour Podcast, Nik (@Rood) and Jamie (@Vault Dweller) are here to celebrate rare back-to-back victories for Manchester United! They analyse the late win in the Europa League vs. Rangers and then try and find things to analyse in a pretty dour game vs. Fulham. They also chat about the latest Marcus Rashford news, and look at the latest transfer news.
By the way, as a club, we have really struggled to produce top class centre backs through the academy probably ever since Marin Keown & Tony Adams.
If you are looking for a top class centre back, should probably raid Chelsea, not Arsenal!
If you are looking for a top class centre back, should probably raid Chelsea, not Arsenal!
Maybe we just want to make sure it stays that way?
We've had the same issue - since Jonny Evans I think? Maybe Michael Keane can count.
I'd like to think we've pin pointed this particular player than just raid Arsenal for the a sake of a coup.
Ah thought he was 1.98m
I'm talking about players that were in the Academy at all. Looking at the names, your probably talking about someone like Kyle Bartley as having the best career...Johan Djourou if you count him?
It's really poor when you actually thing about it. Im someone that still likes to look out for academy players with no ill will, I hope Heaven does well, I'm just about old enough to remember always wanting Andy Cole to do well.
Agree. We must be selling some very compelling narratives to these young players. Youth recruitment is one bit the new administration seems to be quickly sorting out. Happy to see.
lets look at it another way - why is he leaving a decent club to come to this shit show?
If Arse are not giving him what he wanted , lets say first team football - and we are, what do they know that we dont?
If he is "that" good why have Arsenal not given him a new decent offer.
That statement makes no sense. Why did United let Pogba go? Players leave for myriad of reasons
My apologies, Ayden is 1.89m.. I believe Kukonki is around 1.96m. This is good because United need more physicality
We have been loading up on promising youths for a while now, they could really kick off in about 2 years - good thing we all have plenty of patience left 
Arsenal play two centreback positions and given his left footedness he's probably only got one slot to go for, which is a partner in a league challenging back four. At United there are two defenders slots and midfield he can slot into.
United also rotate defenders much more.
Kukonki isn’t that tall either. Close to the size of Heaven.
United is going through major changes which open opportunities. Arsenal is relatively stable.
These official stats sites are blasphemous. Thanks for the correction.
He's only 18 so being a cover for Martinez right now sounds unlikely to me but hopefully he can get there in 2/3 years or so.
Have it your way - he's shit mate. Ends that.
At Arsenal he'd be trying to disrupt one of the best CB pairings in Europe. It's like when Pique left - he knew he'd never get a chance while Rio & Vidic were playing.
At United, not only is he competing with worse players - it's also a back three. Loads more chance of breaking through here.
Edit: Also, in Amorim's system, the CBs have a lot more ball progression responsibility - so I guess that appeals to the lad's apparent wish to be a more advanced player.
50% More chance to be precise.
Heaven likes those odds.
I agree with you that there's probably no clear path through for a CB at Arsenal unless you are Maldini respawn.
Yeah has to be respawn. Not Kacurri.
He said he wants to keep clean sheets and bring more goals to his game from set pieces. He can’t be that good at getting on the end of them otherwise he’d fit straight in at Arsenal since they rely on set piece goals.
Not sure if its been mentioned but this is the guy that Hojlund spinned at the half way line and left for dirt in pre season. Doesnt mean anything but my heart sank a little when i figured it out
Is this a bit of a Zeki Fryers or is he good?
Sounds impressive especially so young. Thanks for the info.
Its why we are signing him, to give Hojlund a confidence boost in training.
Divine
Bit surprised at this one to be honest, people are likening it to the Obi Martin signing but Chido was the best striker of his age group in the country, no disrespect to Heaven but he’s nowhere near that talent bracket
Not really seeing a midfielder in there to be honest. Could be a good wide center back but a bit of a random signing.
That's a name I haven't heard in a while.
Turns out he's playing in the Swedish third division for anyone wondering.
Ayden you’re all that we want,
When the Stratford end is so charmed,
I’m finding it hard to believe,
We signed Heaven.
I’ll get my coat…
When the Stratford end is so charmed,
I’m finding it hard to believe,
We signed Heaven.
I’ll get my coat…
Based on those clips he has good technique. That is enough for me.
I am not demanding fan;
player has technique = good enough
player doesn't have technique = not good enough
I am not demanding fan;
player has technique = good enough
player doesn't have technique = not good enough
Titles are all that I want.
When you're playin' here at Arsenal.
After a tribunal we received.
Ayden Heaven
Now I'll get my coat
When you're playin' here at Arsenal.
After a tribunal we received.
Ayden Heaven
Now I'll get my coat
He looks so languid on the ball. Not sure about this one but he's obviously super young
Please.
Yeah, he's really not in the same talent bracket at all.
I think Heaven does have potential but he's extremely raw for a CB. Up through the 22-23 season he was still playing U16 football, mainly as a midfielder, he wasn't a player that was fast tracked into higher age groups. The club then shifted him into central defense and the rumor is that this decision caused a lot of friction. At CB he has obvious potential between his physical attributes and at least decent ball playing ability but he has also been known for making a lot of mistakes.
Its probably one of those situations where the positional move was right for his long term future - I don't think he really has the technical level to be a midfielder - but at the same time it put him into a position where there was next to no pathway at Arsenal given Gabriel, Calafiori, and Kiwior are there as left footed CBs who are all relatively young.
He really should spend a couple seasons bouncing between U21 football and loan spells at United. More than anything, he needs a long run of games playing CB to just learn the position better. The idea that he will contribute to the United first team right away doesn't seem realistic.
He’ll be over the moon when he hears this chant.
We're big enough to pay good salaries and bad enough that there's an actual pathway into the team.
He's a lot skinnier looking than Godwill who's already pretty burly at 16.
Arsenal had Jesus and Heaven on their books. Heh
And now we have Heaven and Godwill!