Arturo Vidal

[Fortitude]

Who is Vidal sponsored by?

 

[LR7]

I don't think a midfield of Vidal and Herrera would lack balance. They're both box to box but I doubt they'd both be bombing forward at the same time. Both read the game well and will make good defensive contributions as well as passing and joining in our attacks. Carrick also still exists for the games when someone with a little more defensive nous is required in CM.

I'd seriously love us to sign Vidal.

 

[Invictus]

Who is Vidal sponsored by?

Nike.

 

[devilish]

If one had to compare Khedira to Vidal, well, Khedira is the equivalent of Butt to United's Keane (Vidal).

 

[Ekeke]

We already have a decent chance of changing our formation to something similar to what Juventus have been playing, with 3 Cbs, 2 wide players bombing on from fullback, 3 cms and a couple of forwards - its not far off what the dutch are playing now, they just have an extra forward player instead CMs like Vidal and Pogba bombing forward.

Does anyone think that if we were to sign Vidal, instead of asking him to play differently in a 2 man midfield, maybe we should tell him to get on with what he has done at Juventus in a midfield 3 every week?

This would make a lot of our wide players surplus to requirements, but given they're mostly out of form and all in danger of being replaced, I'm not sure thats the end of the world.

It would also continue to be hard to fit in Rooney, Van Persie and Mata into one team.

 

[FromTheBench]

We already have a decent chance of changing our formation to something similar to what Juventus have been playing, with 3 Cbs, 2 wide players bombing on from fullback, 3 cms and a couple of forwards - its not far off what the dutch are playing now, they just have an extra forward player instead CMs like Vidal and Pogba bombing forward.

Does anyone think that if we were to sign Vidal, instead of asking him to play differently in a 2 man midfield, maybe we should tell him to get on with what he has done at Juventus in a midfield 3 every week?

Where does Mata go in that though assuming Rooney and RVP are the two up top ?

 

[Theon]

We already have a decent chance of changing our formation to something similar to what Juventus have been playing, with 3 Cbs, 2 wide players bombing on from fullback, 3 cms and a couple of forwards - its not far off what the dutch are playing now, they just have an extra forward player instead CMs like Vidal and Pogba bombing forward.

Does anyone think that if we were to sign Vidal, instead of asking him to play differently in a 2 man midfield, maybe we should tell him to get on with what he has done at Juventus in a midfield 3 every week?

Yes but I think he would be one of the two deeper players, with Mata in the AM role and then Rooney and Van Persie as the forwards.

I don't think we'll play that formation the way Juve do, with three proper deeper midfielders which partially exists to get the best out of Pirlo - it would suit us far more to play two CM's, then Mata ahead of them. That is the more typical way of playing it as well from what I've seen.

 

[Ekeke]

Where does Mata go in that though assuming Rooney and RVP are the two up top ?

Thats the question.

Most likely he'd look to be the man in form out of the 3 and be picked as 1 of 2 forwards, then Rooney or RVP around him.

Thing is if we sign Vidal, we're paying more than for Mata and he's another manager's signing. Would it not be best to try and get our money's worth out of Vidal, playing him where he's best rather than trying to shoehorn him into a team thats already trying to shoehorn Mata in with Rooney and Van Persie?

I think we're all quite aware that the freedom Vidal gets at Juventus and with Chile is what allows him to be a bit special. If he isn't given that freedom we're unlikely to get what we're paying for.

 

[Raees]

We already have a decent chance of changing our formation to something similar to what Juventus have been playing, with 3 Cbs, 2 wide players bombing on from fullback, 3 cms and a couple of forwards - its not far off what the dutch are playing now, they just have an extra forward player instead CMs like Vidal and Pogba bombing forward.

Does anyone think that if we were to sign Vidal, instead of asking him to play differently in a 2 man midfield, maybe we should tell him to get on with what he has done at Juventus in a midfield 3 every week?

This would make a lot of our wide players surplus to requirements, but given they're mostly out of form and all in danger of being replaced, I'm not sure thats the end of the world.

It would also continue to be hard to fit in Rooney, Van Persie and Mata into one team.

You need very tactically aware players to adopt that Juventus style, plus I'm not sure if that formation would work as well in the EPL. I think LVG will try his best to incorporate Rooney and RVP, realise it isn't quite working and stick to picking just one out of the two.

 

[FromTheBench]

Thats the question.

Most likely he'd look to be the man in form out of the 3 and be picked as 1 of 2 forwards, then Rooney or RVP around him.

Thing is if we sign Vidal, we're paying more than for Mata and he's another manager's signing. Would it not be best to try and get our money's worth out of Vidal, playing him where he's best rather than trying to shoehorn him into a team thats already trying to shoehorn Mata in with Rooney and Van Persie?

I think we're all quite aware that the freedom Vidal gets at Juventus and with Chile is what allows him to be a bit special. If he isn't given that freedom we're unlikely to get what we're paying for.

I agree with you in terms of getting the best out of Vidal, that's the best position and system but i am personally not a fan of that system tbh and really Pirlo from behind with his passing and even creativity makes that system tick with Pogba adding to it when he comes in.

Carrick and Herrera are good passers but neither are that level creatively from deep like a Pirlo.

If i had to pick personally tbh would bid 35 to 40 million on Javi Martinez and test Bayern's resolve. He isn't worth that much to them as a makeshift CB.

 

[Theon]

If we play a 3-5-2 it will be as a solution to the Van Persie, Rooney, Mata problem we currently have. We aren't going to adopt that system, then play it the less common way that Juventus do and drop one of them anyway. That wouldn't make any sense.

 

[Fortitude]

Nike.

Thanks.

I wonder how the logistics work in such an instance. Nike are our current sponsors, but aren't renewing and Vidal is a Nike player currently at a Nike team, who could go to another Nike team soon to be an Adidas one.

I know plenty of Nike players are at Adidas clubs, with Ronaldo being the most high profile one, but does it create a conflict of interests to them as sponsors? Wouldn't Nike rather Vidal stay a Juve player, or would they take the higher profiling and exposure he'd get at United for a year over that?

 

[Ekeke]

Yes but I think he would be one of the two deeper players, with Mata in the AM role and then Rooney and Van Persie as the forwards.

I don't think we'll play that formation the way Juve do, with three proper deeper midfielders which partially exists to get the best out of Pirlo - it would suit us far more to play two CM's, then Mata ahead of them. That is the more typical way of playing it as well from what I've seen.

While that would be the best way just to fit them in, its unlikely to see near the best of Vidal when he cant attack as often.

We'd be able to get speed on the flanks with Shaw and Valencia, but do we have enough in attack and through the middle?

For that you could put Welbeck in but then you still have the same problem of leaving RVP, Rooney or Mata out

 

[Theon]

While that would be the best way just to fit them in, its unlikely to see near the best of Vidal when he cant attack as often.

We'd be able to get speed on the flanks with Shaw and Valencia, but do we have enough in attack and through the middle?

For that you could put Welbeck in but then you still have the same problem of leaving RVP, Rooney or Mata out

I disagree, I think in a 3-5-2 Vidal would be fine with Herrera in midfield with the security of three centre backs behind him.

In the normal 4-2-3-1 system that we're most likely to play, I agree that there's a risk Vidal gets restricted. I don't think there would be any problem with a 3-5-2 though, he could break forward and press high in that system IMO.

 

[ivaldo]

Got to draw the line somewhere.


And you know this because????? you read a newspaper saying we have 200 mil by any chance??

Money has been an issue for years, hence the Ronaldo money never being invested properly into the team, which is partly why we need such a drastic re-build.

And you know it to the contrary? Just a casual glance at our figures would tell anyone with the slightest bit of financial nouce we have plenty of money to invest, its quite evident that the cluv were happy to invest but Fergie was obsessed with value for money. If you don't think we can burn that kind of money you've really not looked into it at all but that wasnt what I meant, I meant we shouldn't be put off with big figures because we have to improve the squad regardless of the cost, it would hurt us far more spending another year outside of Europe than overspending on a world class player.

 

[SiRed]

Thanks.

I wonder how the logistics work in such an instance. Nike are our current sponsors, but aren't renewing and Vidal is a Nike player currently at a Nike team, who could go to another Nike team soon to be an Adidas one.

I know plenty of Nike players are at Adidas clubs, with Ronaldo being the most high profile one, but does it create a conflict of interests to them as sponsors? Wouldn't Nike rather Vidal stay a Juve player, or would they take the higher profiling and exposure he'd get at United for a year over that?

I dont think sponsors have a say in who a player players for. I would be surprised if they did anyway

 

[SiRed]

And you know it to the contrary? Just a casual glance at our figures would tell anyone with the slightest bit of financial nouce we have plenty of money to invest, its quite evident that the cluv were happy to invest but Fergie was obsessed with value for money. If you don't think we can burn that kind of money you've really not looked into it at all but that wasnt what I meant, I meant we shouldn't be put off with big figures because we have to improve the squad regardless of the cost, it would hurt us far more spending another year outside of Europe than overspending on a world class player.

Where is this evidence????
The value for money i feel SAF used as a smoke screen and i believe he had his hands serverley tied in the transfer market during his last 5 seasons.

Im sorry but you dont sell the worlds best player for 80 mil, lose Tevez and replace them with Valencia and Owen.
You also dont take as many 'cheap' gambles in the transfer market like SAF did towards the end... (Bebe 7m, Smalling 10m, Hernandez 7m, Obertan 3m, Douif and so on)
If the club were happy to invest in the past we wouldnt have taken so many cheap gambles which haven't really paid off.
It was clear for a long long time that players like Scholes, Evra, Rio, Vidic, Giggs' careers were winding down. Take a gamble with one or two cheap youthful signings for sure, but not them all, not when bringing in replacements for the absolute stalwarts of our club.

 

[Ekeke]

I disagree, I think in a 3-5-2 Vidal would be fine with Herrera in midfield with the security of three centre backs behind him.

In the normal 4-2-3-1 system that we're most likely to play, I agree that there's a risk Vidal gets restricted. I don't think there would be any problem with a 3-5-2 though, he could break forward and press high in that system IMO.

Leaving Ander and 3 CBs ?

Its hardly the same as LVG using De Jong in front of his defence. It sounds very gung ho, a fortune to play with a susceptible backline. Carrick would need to be the one there snuffing out danger and for him to do that he needs to wake up, because even he didn't do it very well last season

 

[Theon]

Leaving Ander and 3 CBs ?

Its hardly the same as LVG using De Jong in front of his defence. It sounds very gung ho, a fortune to play with a susceptible backline. Carrick would need to be the one there snuffing out danger and for him to do that he needs to wake up, because even he didn't do it very well last season

Yes I think that would be fine, four players staying back centrally is absolutely plenty - particularly when three of them are fully fledged centre backs. They offer more focus and ability defensively than a holding midfielder, but if we partnered Vidal with a De Jong or someone in a four man back line I doubt we would be having this conversation.

But yeah at the moment the consensus seems to be that we would play that way with just two centre backs, with Vidal still bombing forward and pressing high next to Herrera despite his role requiring more defensive cover. Even this I think could work, but the 3-5-2 undoubtedly has more security and IMO would work fine.

 

[Melvyn]

Where is this evidence????
The value for money i feel SAF used as a smoke screen and i believe he had his hands serverley tied in the transfer market during his last 5 seasons.

Im sorry but you dont sell the worlds best player for 80 mil, lose Tevez and replace them with Valencia and Owen.
You also dont take as many 'cheap' gambles in the transfer market like SAF did towards the end... (Bebe 7m, Smalling 10m, Hernandez 7m, Obertan 3m, Douif and so on)
If the club were happy to invest in the past we wouldnt have taken so many cheap gambles which haven't really paid off.
It was clear for a long long time that players like Scholes, Evra, Rio, Vidic, Giggs' careers were winding down. Take a gamble with one or two cheap youthful signings for sure, but not them all, not when bringing in replacements for the absolute stalwarts of our club.

The evidence is in the fact that we spent £60m on Mata and Fellaini last season and have already spent another £60m on Herrera and Shaw this season. You're thinking of the times when Ferguson and Gill were in charge. The post-Fergie era is very different.

Woodward cannot wait to spend the money sitting in the bank. He wants superstar signings. Our sponsors want superstar signings. United definitely have the financial means to sign big name players, even if some of our fans don't believe it. The Glazers know they have to spend money to keep United competing at the top. Another mediocre season like last season and you can bet our sponsors will not be happy. Manchester United are about to sign the biggest kit deal in the world because we have the largest fanbase, a fanbase that is that big because United win trophies. The Glazers know that United have to keep winning trophies because it means we can sign the biggest sponsorship deals a.k.a. $$$. And in order for United to compete to win trophies, they have to spend money to buy the best players. They know Ferguson is no longer around to win the league with the likes of Ashley Young and Tom Cleverley.

 

[SiRed]

The evidence is in the fact that we spent £60m on Mata and Fellaini last season and have already spent another £60m on Herrera and Shaw this season. You're thinking of the times when Ferguson and Gill were in charge. The post-Fergie era is very different.

Woodward cannot wait to spend the money sitting in the bank. He wants superstar signings. Our sponsors want superstar signings. United definitely have the financial means to sign big name players, even if some of our fans don't believe it. The Glazers know they have to spend money to keep United competing at the top. Another mediocre season like last season and you can bet our sponsors will not be happy. Manchester United are about to sign the biggest kit deal in the world because we have the largest fanbase, a fanbase that is that big because United win trophies. The Glazers know that United have to keep winning trophies because it means we can sign the biggest sponsorship deals a.k.a. $$$. And in order for United to compete to win trophies, they have to spend money to buy the best players. They know Ferguson is no longer around to win the league with the likes of Ashley Young and Tom Cleverley.

I have no idea how you know this but i hope your right.

 

[Melvyn]

I have no idea how you know this but i hope your right.

Daniel Taylor himself said Woodward wanted to sign Cavani for a reported £60m because he wanted a star signing. And Adidas/Nike want big name players because they'll sell more shirts that way.

 

[Kaos]

How marketable is Vidal really?

A phenomenal player and probably the best all round midfielder, but I don't think he'd even be considered the most iconic footballing name in his country (that accolade I'm sure would go to Sanchez).

Its mostly the silky flair players which get the marketing heads excited.

 

[Adnan]

 

[datura]

How marketable is Vidal really?

A phenomenal player and probably the best all round midfielder, but I don't think he'd even be considered the most iconic footballing name in his country (that accolade I'm sure would go to Sanchez).

Its mostly the silky flair players which get the marketing heads excited.

Which is where Di Maria comes in? I think Van Gaal will have already have had an impact with his success with Holland, add some exciting signings, the maturing of Januzaj and you have an exciting, marketable United.

 

[Red Hand Devil]

How marketable is Vidal really?

A phenomenal player and probably the best all round midfielder, but I don't think he'd even be considered the most iconic footballing name in his country (that accolade I'm sure would go to Sanchez).

Its mostly the silky flair players which get the marketing heads excited.

I couldnt give a monkey's about the marketability of any of our players to be honest. Its the Glazers that profit from all of that. If we were properly competing every season for top-class players, then it would mean more to me.

Sadly, we've had to contend with the likes of City, PSG & Monaco for the best players around & we havent been prepared to match them. I agree with that stance, because its totally f*cked up the fee's being paid for players & the wages handed out. Its unrealistic spending & we hold our breath that UEFA etc. are gonna continue to try & sort this shite out.

We seem to be altering our spending mantra & thats what we have to do right now. But when the field becomes level - we'll have the upper-hand because our revenue is earned & its more than anyone elses!

 

[Juan't Mata]

If we play a 3-5-2 it will be as a solution to the Van Persie, Rooney, Mata problem we currently have. We aren't going to adopt that system, then play it the less common way that Juventus do and drop one of them anyway. That wouldn't make any sense.

We are going to sign Vidal and Sneijder and play a 352, with Sneijder in the Pirlo DLP role, Vidal and Herrera as the runnders in midfield and Mata in behind Rooney and RVP. Ricardo Rodriguez and Valencia as wing backs. Luke Shaw as a mobile, ball playing LCB.

I saw this in a dream. LVG and I have a shared vision.

Edit: I just realised this system requires 12 players in the team. feck it, its my vision and I'm sticking to it.

 

[Fortitude]

I dont think sponsors have a say in who a player players for. I would be surprised if they did anyway

Pretty sure it is an issue, how major, I don't know.

Image rights are a big part of top level contracts and within that something surely has to come up about sponsorship.

Also, do you think stories about these big sponsors incentivising deals are all hogwash?

 

[Fahad Jawaid]

If we are going for Di Maria and Vidal both hypothetically, i was wondering if using Herrera, Vidal and Di Maria all in a midfield three was an option, Di Maria played as part of a midfield three in most of the big matches breaking from the middle with pace, and his dribbling ability he was unplayable at times, and the great thing would be all of them works very hard defensively, and it would allow us to play Rooney, Rvp and Mata on top and if it doesn't go according to play then we can sub rooney or mata depending on who is having a poor match with Carrick and let Di Maria play as part of the front three or bring Adnan on aswell so plenty of options.

 

[ivaldo]

Where is this evidence????
The value for money i feel SAF used as a smoke screen and i believe he had his hands serverley tied in the transfer market during his last 5 seasons.

Im sorry but you dont sell the worlds best player for 80 mil, lose Tevez and replace them with Valencia and Owen.
You also dont take as many 'cheap' gambles in the transfer market like SAF did towards the end... (Bebe 7m, Smalling 10m, Hernandez 7m, Obertan 3m, Douif and so on)
If the club were happy to invest in the past we wouldnt have taken so many cheap gambles which haven't really paid off.
It was clear for a long long time that players like Scholes, Evra, Rio, Vidic, Giggs' careers were winding down. Take a gamble with one or two cheap youthful signings for sure, but not them all, not when bringing in replacements for the absolute stalwarts of our club.

Fergie himself has always been adamant that the money was there to spend and that's also been the view of all journalists close to the club. Its no coincidence that the year after Fergie left we spend over £60mil and our record signing, that trend has continued since, we aren't even half through July in a world cup year and we've spent over £60mil and its pretty evident we are still in the hunt for at least 1 more big signing.

People may dislike the Glaziers but no one can deny they are business geniuses. They know that investment is needed on the pitch to continue increasing profit margins. Not only that im sure our new shirt sponsors have had assurances that star players will be signed to the club to help sell the brand. Further investment WILL be made thats for certain. You keep asking wheres the hard evidence for this but where is there any evidence of the contrary? Everything points to the above.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Thanks.

I wonder how the logistics work in such an instance. Nike are our current sponsors, but aren't renewing and Vidal is a Nike player currently at a Nike team, who could go to another Nike team soon to be an Adidas one.

I know plenty of Nike players are at Adidas clubs, with Ronaldo being the most high profile one, but does it create a conflict of interests to them as sponsors? Wouldn't Nike rather Vidal stay a Juve player, or would they take the higher profiling and exposure he'd get at United for a year over that?

do players really consider who make the teams kit when they choose who to sign for??

things have got to a very sad state of affairs if thats happening!

 

[Nytram Shakes]

We are going to sign Vidal and Sneijder and play a 352, with Sneijder in the Pirlo DLP role, Vidal and Herrera as the runnders in midfield and Mata in behind Rooney and RVP. Ricardo Rodriguez and Valencia as wing backs. Luke Shaw as a mobile, ball playing LCB.

I saw this in a dream. LVG and I have a shared vision.

Edit: I just realised this system requires 12 players in the team. feck it, its my vision and I'm sticking to it.

this made me laught out load at work and im trying to pretend im busy! shame on you if i get fired!!

 

[Iron Stove]

I don't think we'll make another signing until after the tour, since Van Gaal will probably want to have a look at the team before deciding on what area he would like to reinforce. On the other hand it would be a schtupid to question what Van Gaal knows about Manchester United, so who knows.

 

[Fortitude]

do players really consider who make the teams kit when they choose who to sign for??

things have got to a very sad state of affairs if thats happening!

Shouldn't think they give two hoots, but you can bet their agents, advisors and sponsors do.

 

[Revan]

I disagree, I think in a 3-5-2 Vidal would be fine with Herrera in midfield with the security of three centre backs behind him.

In the normal 4-2-3-1 system that we're most likely to play, I agree that there's a risk Vidal gets restricted. I don't think there would be any problem with a 3-5-2 though, he could break forward and press high in that system IMO.

Yep, agree with this. On a 3-5-2, Vidal as one of the two midfielders would be good and with 3CB we will be okay defensively. The only problem I see with that formation is that our 2 million wingers won't ever get a game. I don't care that much for the others but Kagawa and Januzaj will both be backups to Mata and three players for one position it is too much, especially with a manager who doesn't rotate as much as SAF or the other Scotish manager we had. Although, thinking twice it may be a possibility of - at times - playing a striker and two No.10

Still, I think that 4-3-3 (4-5-1/4-2-3-1) is the most likely formation that we'll play with 3-5-2 (5-3-2) to be used on the most difficult matches, if it is ever used.

 

[SolidState]

Herrera, Cleverley, Fellaini, Anderson, Carrick, Fletcher.

I can see us fitting Vidal in just because he is on another level to most players but Khedira isn't needed, besides since he lacks positional discipline and gets higher up the field, he needs a carrick style player to sit, alongside Vidal or Herrera he would be too attacking leaving us exposed in the middle.

Cleverley, Fellaini and Anderson will leave this window.

 

[Nytram Shakes]

Shouldn't think they give two hoots, but you can bet their agents, advisors and sponsors do.

enought to stop a deal going through?

 

[ravi2]

Cleverley, Fellaini and Anderson will leave this window.

I still think the Clev can be a useful squad player. Anderson, Fellaini and Young need to never wear a MUFC jersey again tho.

 

[Raw]

Cleverley, Fellaini and Anderson will leave this window.

I can't see all 3 leaving. With how thin and weak our midfield is, the last thing we want to do is sell more.

Cleverley can still be a good squad player, save him for those easy FA Cup/League Cup matches against lesser opposition and relegation opponents. One of Fellaini and Anderson will leave.

 

[LonelyFire]

I can't see all 3 leaving. With how thin and weak our midfield is, the last thing we want to do is sell more.

Cleverley can still be a good squad player, save him for those easy FA Cup/League Cup matches against lesser opposition and relegation opponents. One of Fellaini and Anderson will leave.

Im pretty confident both will be gone before the transfer window shuts.