Arturo Vidal

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United22 said:
How is he going to play in a 4-3-3 with 2 advanced midfielders ahead of him, when he is a box-to-box and is a greater threat near the goal? He is arguably the best B2B midfielder in the world, so that is the role in which we should play him as. Just because he is extremely good defensively that doesn't mean that a restricted CDM/holding position is his role. It is someone like Carrick or Busquets who would fit that well, not Vidal.
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Who said anything about two advanced midfielders ahead of him?


It'd be more like:


DDG
Rafael - Hummels - Evans - Shaw

Vidal - Herrera
Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
Van Persie
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Pexbo said:
Who said anything about two advanced midfielders ahead of him?


It'd be more like:


DDG
Rafael - Hummels - Evans - Shaw

Vidal - Herrera
Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
Van Persie
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:drool:
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Wow that is some fecking team!
 
Pexbo said:
Who said anything about two advanced midfielders ahead of him?


It'd be more like:


DDG
Rafael - Hummels - Evans - Shaw

Vidal - Herrera
Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
Van Persie
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:drool:
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My muppet-o-meter's just gone into overload!
 
Theon said:
Doubt it because we have some great number 10's in the side. I think we'll certainly play with an attacking midfielder behind Van Persie.



That's a little too far, it's certainly not madness. Vidal constantly pushes up, he breaks forward and presses high up the pitch. He isn't naturally a holding midfielder, so it's not that surprising some people are questioning it.
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I dont get this conception that all teams NEED a holding midfielder.... They dont. if you have players that work hard together and press as a unit then the need for a holding midfielder (or lazy midfielder as i like to call them) is redundant.
Please tell me who Real Madrids holding midfield player is again?
 
Ando's been gone since he went on loan. Unless LVG decides he can do what others couldn't and get him to trade his apple pie for a training bib, he's as good as gone. Cleverley we should keep for rotation. Fellaini isn't good enough and i can't see Van Gaal wanting him around, but i guess it depends on whether we get our targets.
 
Why has this thread gone into overdrive? What did I miss?
 
Pexbo said:
Who said anything about two advanced midfielders ahead of him?


It'd be more like:


DDG
Rafael - Hummels - Evans - Shaw

Vidal - Herrera
Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
Van Persie
​
:drool:
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THIS... roughly 200 mil to give us possibly the best side in Europe
 
Pexbo said:
Who said anything about two advanced midfielders ahead of him?


It'd be more like:


DDG
Rafael - Hummels - Evans - Shaw

Vidal - Herrera
Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
Van Persie
​
:drool:
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If that happens .... I can't even think of anything that would describe how fecking ecstatic i would be.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Ando's been gone since he went on loan. Unless LVG decides he can do what others couldn't and get him to trade his apple pie for a training bib, he's as good as gone. Cleverley we should keep for rotation. Fellaini isn't good enough and i can't see Van Gaal wanting him around, but i guess it depends on whether we get our targets.
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Club wanting to sell a player doesn't mean there are buyers for said players. I'd imagine the club is hard pressed to find any takers for Anderson, or Young/Fellaini with their wages.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
Ando's been gone since he went on loan. Unless LVG decides he can do what others couldn't and get him to trade his apple pie for a training bib, he's as good as gone. Cleverley we should keep for rotation. Fellaini isn't good enough and i can't see Van Gaal wanting him around, but i guess it depends on whether we get our targets.
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Anderson is actually still on our books, unbelievably. I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that no one actually wants him. And why would he want to leave? He's earning a very nice salary for the feck all he does.
 
Sied said:
Why has this thread gone into overdrive? What did I miss?
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Vidal going on Chilean tv wearing nothing but devil horns with 'I heart Woody' smeared over his torso in shoe polish. You must have seen it?
 
Pexbo said:
Who said anything about two advanced midfielders ahead of him?


It'd be more like:


DDG
Rafael - Hummels - Evans - Shaw

Vidal - Herrera
Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
Van Persie
​
:drool:
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Pexbo I love you.

That is the sexiest team I've ever seen.
 
SiRed said:
I dont get this conception that all teams NEED a holding midfielder.... They dont. if you have players that work hard together and press as a unit then the need for a holding midfielder (or lazy midfielder as i like to call them) is redundant.
Please tell me who Real Madrids holding midfield player is again?
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They have a DLP in Alonso that doesn't bombard up the pitch. Then Di Maria and Modric are ahead of him
 
Melvyn said:
Club wanting to sell a player doesn't mean there are buyers for said players. I'd imagine the club is hard pressed to find any takers for Anderson, or Young/Fellaini with their wages.
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They might also want first team football. If LVG makes it clear they'll be in the reserves then they'll consider their options.

rpitroda said:
Anderson is actually still on our books, unbelievably. I suspect it has a lot to do with the fact that no one actually wants him. And why would he want to leave? He's earning a very nice salary for the feck all he does.
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I know, didn't Fiorentina decline the option to buy?

Someone will take him, even if he goes back to Brazil.
 
SiRed said:
I dont get this conception that all teams NEED a holding midfielder.... They dont. if you have players that work hard together and press as a unit then the need for a holding midfielder (or lazy midfielder as i like to call them) is redundant.
Please tell me who Real Madrids holding midfield player is again?
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You can drop the attitude. All I was doing is explaining to you why some people might doubt it. Whichever way you look at it, questioning that partnership isn't 'madness'.

We would potentially need to spend near enough £50m to sign Vidal, so ensuring that he's used correctly and not restricted to a less suited role is a pretty fair concern. I've no doubt that Vidal would work better with a holder next to him, same with Herrera. That's not to say they can't play together though.

Alonso and Modric both hold more than Vidal.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
They might also want first team football. If LVG makes it clear they'll be in the reserves then they'll consider their options.

I know, didn't Fiorentina decline the option to buy?

Someone will take him, even if he goes back to Brazil.
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I admire your confidence, can't say I share it though! At this point it doesn't even matter that much, his contract must surely be up in a year now.

Edit: just read an article which says he extended his contract by 3 years in December 2010, keeping him here until June 2015.
 
SiRed said:
I dont remember him playing in the Champs league final
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Because he was suspended obviously. He was put there and played brilliantly in the semi-finals before getting his yellow card and suspension for the final. Then in the CL final they put Khedira who was pretty shocking there and Ancelotti went balls out at 60 something minutes and played Isco (with 3 CAM's basically) once ATM had announced they were happy to sit back and put all their men in their own half
 
RedorDead21 said:
Just

Just dont think there is a place for Mata unless its 4-3-3
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I wouldn't want to see Mata played anywhere but centrally, we don't look good with CAMs like him and Kagawa on the wing, which is why i really hope we sign a proper wideman, or bring Zaha back in.
 
Pexbo said:
Who said anything about two advanced midfielders ahead of him?


It'd be more like:


DDG
Rafael - Hummels - Evans - Shaw

Vidal - Herrera
Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
Van Persie
​
:drool:
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That looks awesome! The chances are probably quite low, but damn it I want that team!!!
 
United22 said:
Because he was suspended obviously. He was put there and played brilliantly in the semi-finals before getting his yellow card and suspension for the final. Then in the CL final they put Khedira who was pretty shocking there and Ancelotti went balls out at 60 something minutes and played Isco (with 3 CAM's basically) once ATM had announced they were happy to sit back and put all their men in their own half
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Which illestrates my point that a holding midfielder isnt always required.
 
2 Man Midfield said:
I wouldn't want to see Mata played anywhere but centrally, we don't look good with CAMs like him and Kagawa on the wing, which is why i really hope we sign a proper wideman, or bring Zaha back in.
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I think your judging them based on an incompetent CM and a gameplan not suited to them playing like wingers. I think Shaw and Rafael will be our wing backs and a narrow midfield 3 infront. Mata played the 2011 under 21 European championships on the right of a front 3 and was named player of the tournament.! Under Moyes they were expected to run to by line and cross.....
 
RedorDead21 said:
I think your judging them based on an incompetent CM and a gameplan not suited to them playing like wingers. I think Shaw and Rafael will be our wing backs and a narrow midfield 3 infront. Mata played the 2011 under 21 European championships on the right of a front 3 and was named player of the tournament.! Under Moyes they were expected to run to by line and cross.....
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I just missed us stretching the pitch last season when we had a narrow front 3, we had all this creativity and yet couldn't unlock defences because it was easy to defend against. We were crying out for a real winger to stretch the play and allow these creative midgets we have more space to work their magic. Valencia used to be perfect at this. If Rafael and Shaw could do that then why not.
 
SiRed said:
Which illestrates my point that a holding midfielder isnt always required.
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Not really because it was a unique situation in which the other team just decided to completely sit back in their own half after they got that fluky goal early on in the game. Once Ancelotti saw this, he realized it would be okay to do something as outlandish as playing with no holding midfielders and going all out with 3 attacking midfielders. There is no way that they would have got away with this against a team who actually had intentions of attacking them after getting the first goal. The 4-3-3 requires someone who knows the deep lying/holding role properly , all successful 4-3-3's have had this. Be it Alonso for Madrid, Makelele of Chelsea's 04-07 or Busquets of Barcelona's 09-12. If we still had the Carrick of the 12/13 season, he would be perfect for this
 
United22 said:
Not really because it was a unique situation in which the other team just decided to completely sit back in their own half after they got that fluky goal early on in the game. Once Ancelotti saw this, he realized it would be okay to do something as outlandish as playing with no holding midfielders and going all out with 3 attacking midfielders. There is no way that they would have got away with this against a team who actually had intentions of attacking them after getting the first goal. The 4-3-3 requires someone who knows the deep lying/holding role properly , all successful 4-3-3's have had this. Be it Alonso for Madrid, Makelele of Chelsea's 04-07 or Busquets of Barcelona's 09-12. If we still had the Carrick of the 12/13 season, he would be perfect for this
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Well i say its time we revolutionise football then. 2 box to box guys is the future.
 
United22 said:
Not really because it was a unique situation in which the other team just decided to completely sit back in their own half after they got that fluky goal early on in the game. Once Ancelotti saw this, he realized it would be okay to do something as outlandish as playing with no holding midfielders and going all out with 3 attacking midfielders. There is no way that they would have got away with this against a team who actually had intentions of attacking them after getting the first goal. The 4-3-3 requires someone who knows the deep lying/holding role properly , all successful 4-3-3's have had this. Be it Alonso for Madrid, Makelele of Chelsea's 04-07 or Busquets of Barcelona's 09-12. If we still had the Carrick of the 12/13 season, he would be perfect for this
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How about both midfielders take turns collecting the ball and going forward?

I agree, playing 2 proper CMs in midfield requires a lot of running from both players. But what the hell is wrong with that? They're athletes, it's what they get paid to do.
 
SiRed said:
Well i say its time we revolutionise football then. 2 box to box guys is the future.
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In fact, it would be doing the opposite of revolutionising football. It would be going back to old school midfieds. Remember those days where both midfielders could actualy defend and attack? Macari and McIllroy, Keane and Scholes.
 
unitedbhoy said:
In fact, it would be doing the opposite of revolutionising football. It would be going back to old school midfieds. Remember those days where both midfielders could actualy defend and attack? Macari and McIllroy, Keane and Scholes.
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Keane and Ince... I dont see no problem with it. The bulk of the attacking work would be done by the CAM, either Mata or Rooney. Vidal and Herrera behind. Job done
 
unitedbhoy said:
How about both midfielders take turns collecting the ball and going forward?

I agree, playing 2 proper CMs in midfield requires a lot of running from both players. But what the hell is wrong with that? They're athletes, it's what they get paid to do.
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It isn't that they couldn't do it, the issue is that if you're signing the best midfielder in world by spending £50m on Vidal then you want to play him in his best role. It's not that he can't cover for Herrera, or vice versa, the issue is why you would want either of them to do that.

A more balanced midfield would have Carvalho holding for example, then just let Vidal go and do his thing.
 
SiRed said:
THIS... roughly 200 mil to give us possibly the best side in Europe
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That side again was:

De Gea-Rafael-Shaw-Hummels-Evans-Vidal-Herrera-Di Maria-Mata-Januzaj-Van Persie.

To me that doesn't look better than:

Neuer-Lahm-Alaba-Dante-Boateng-Schweinsteiger-Kroos-Gotze-Robben-Ribery-Muller

nor:

Diego Lopez-Carvajal-Coentrao-Pepe-Ramos-Alonso-Modric-Ronaldo-Bale-Rodriguez-Benzema

nor:

Bravo-Alves-Pique-Mascherano-Alba-Busquets-Xavi-Iniesta-Pedro-Neymar-Messi
 
Vidal and Herrara.

They can both tackle, one is a great passer, the other is a good goalscorer and also a good decent passer. Both have good engines, ones is a physical beast the other more agile but also has grit. They both can also play many roles in CM, they can both defend and can both attack.
Don't see a problem with that TBH, we don't need a fancy deep lying playmaker or a sit at the back marshal, it is not a given to have one as long as tactically the team is setup correctly.

Keane and Ince is a good example.
 
Theon said:
It isn't that they couldn't do it, the issue is that if you're signing the best midfielder in world by spending £50m on Vidal then you want to play him in his best role. It's not that he can't cover for Herrera, or vice versa, the issue is why you would want either of them to do that.

A more balanced midfield would have Carvalho holding for example, then just let Vidal go and do his thing.
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Every player has a responsibility to get back and defend as much as they do getting forward, regardless of their fee. Opponents would find it very difficult to track 2 top class midfielders bombing forward from defensive positions.

When you don't have possession, mark up and defend. When you do, then find space to receive the ball. It's not difficult.

I don't agree that one player should only occupy one part of the pitch, especially central midfielders.
 
Pexbo said:
Who said anything about two advanced midfielders ahead of him?


It'd be more like:


DDG
Rafael - Hummels - Evans - Shaw

Vidal - Herrera
Di Maria - Mata - Januzaj
Van Persie
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:drool:
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Wow! That is an amazing team. I would have Jones fighting it out with Evans for a place. We would win the league if that team stayed fit.
 
Cassidy said:
Vidal and Herrara.

They can both tackle, one is a great passer, the other is a good goalscorer and also a good decent passer. Both have good engines, ones is a physical beast the other more agile but also has grit. They both can also play many roles in CM, they can both defend and can both attack.
Don't see a problem with that TBH, we don't need a fancy deep lying playmaker or a sit at the back marshal, it is not a given to have one as long as tactically the team is setup correctly.

Keane and Ince is a good example.
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There is literally no problem with it at all. The problem arises if they are poorly managed and not given specific instructions. Something tells me LVG is very meticulous in his detail; if we had both of these players, he would make sure they focus on the strengths he wants them to to blend them together and make them work in unison.
 
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