Not to derail the thread but Berbatov was a poor signing in hindsight. Can be considered a flop.
Arturo Vidal
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Doesn't Vidal, take pens for Juventus?
Graham Hunter said last night that Vidals agent also is di Marias and he's really pushing for one of them to be in the Premier League next season.
where have i said where not in for any players? course i think weve got targets.
I just think newspapers are printing storys about vidal and man united becuase united have a massive fan base that want to hear where in for vidal, like last summer fans wanted to hear we where signing ronaldo back, so papers/websites report it, becuase they know it is guaranteed revenue.
you just have to read some of these articles to see thier designed to grab headlines and thats it. like the express one 2days ago, said we had agreed a fee, then in small print underneath where considering bidding, or the MEN one yesterday, saying we where in for him, but then in little writing had made no approach to juventus......... they are doing the number one rule of media, give the people what they want and who cares if it true.
so sorry if you don't get why people are not believing badly written obviously nonsense stories.
When was that? He wasn't even our starter at the end of that season, let alone our best player.
He wasn't a flop signing like Fellaini (so far), but he wasn't a successful one either.
There were glimpses of class but overall he was disappointing.
The season he was top scorer he got 14 against Blackburn and the other bottom team which made it look like a great season for him.
He does, 2 of his 11 goals were from the penalty spot this season (his stats aren't gerrard-esque)
We won the league way before the end of the season in my eyes that year.
I'm not saying he was a great buy, the post said he did nothing so I pointed out he was the top scorer in the league that year, even though he only played half a season. Which wasnt his fault. He suffered from us changing our style.
Mendez? Didn't know Vidal was his. Spose half of South America is his tbf.
I think they have different agents. Its Di Maria, James Rodriguez, Nani, Ronaldo etc who have the same agent. Vidal and Sanchez apparently have the same agent, but not the same as the previously mentioned lot.
He's not! Fernando Felicevich is. Apparently he is due in Turin today (He is also agent to Sanchez) Hunter is talking BS
He scored a lot against the bottom-table teams like Blackburn and Liverpool (couldn't resist the temptation, sorry) - and he wasn't even consistent at this like Suarez this season, for example - his golden boot that season seems to be vastly overrated as the time goes. He wasn't the vital part of the team, he just had a good first half of the season with glimpses of genius.
i didn't say anything of the sort, i said it is a different from the cesc situation becuase we had confirmed interest in him from the club and we knew we had bid.
which is totally different to the vidal situation where all we have is some very dodgy newspaper reports and journalists on twitter who some people claim are reliable and other claim arn't.
how is that saying where not interested in anyone?
Lets stop as the thread will be derailed. To say he just had a good first half of the season negates the fact he was dropped for the second half (and not due to form)
Not trying to be negative but this whole Vidal thing really does smell of another Sneijder, Lucas Moura, Thiago, Fabregas, etc, etc.
I'll be hugely surprised if we get him
I'll be hugely surprised if we get him
Ohh might have been Sanchez then come to think of it.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/podcasts/series/5lfd
104.20 onwards.
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Click on this thread several times a day. Don't think it'll happen but my inner muppet keeps calling me back.
We aren't going to confirm our interest in every target we are / aren't interested in. No one from the club mentioned Shaw, yet the papers were all over it and ran with it for weeks - different stories most days.
I understand the 'click bait' theory - especially as these journalists are under a lot of pressure. However numerous outlets are running with the Vidal story, they have obviously been briefed or have heard a rumor from somewhere.
I wouldn't consider any journalist to be 100% reliable but there are a couple out there and both have said were are keen.
Well, we really tend to buy or, at least, fight for the players that we need now with Shaw and Herrera as the obvious examples. I hope so at least
I'm pretty sure Rakitic played as a central midfielder last season. Also, my stats were used to show that Vidal's weren't anything incredible, not that Rakitic is the better player.
I don't hold the pessimism you do towards the journalists who have all but confirmed our interest. Ignore the sensationalistic bullshit that's coming out from the usual suspects and look at the credible sources, none are saying we've made a bid, nor am I but there's definite interest on our part.
Moyes may well have said that but how long did the Fabregas saga go on for before he came out? You aren't going to get the same level of transparency this year, the post Fergie/Gill regime got burned last year and won't operate in the same manner again.
im not asking for the club to say where intrested thats a terrible idea, some one was just likening this to the fabregas story and said they where completely different.
to me this story just smells like the ronaldo story of last summer, lots of people claiming thier was evidence and loads of newspapers reporting it, but just turned out to be hot air printed to get fans to buy thier paper. and like with ronaldo thier was fans talking about it before the papers starting printing it, it just smacks to me of newspapers reacting to the fans rather then the fans reacting to reports.
and as far as im aware no sources are even claiming we've bid yet, where just intrested, or considering bidding, or keen.......... which could mean anything, and dosn't mean you have to provide any proof, and very easy to back out of if what your reporting turns out to be BS. while on the upside, sells you papers, gets you more traction, increased public profile, ....... all for no downside. and all you have to say if any one asks why we didn't by vidal is united changed thier mind of price was to high.......
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Of course he didn't just play on one position, but attacking midfielder off Bacca was his main position and he got 10 assists from that position alone. Whereas Vidal played 95% of his games as centre-midfielder, so it's not reasonable to compare them, especially since Vidal brings a lot more qualities than assists and goals.
and it dosnt smack you of been werid that we have made no bid yet, you'd think if where where that keen on bringing in vidal we would of by this stage......? personally i think it very easy for a journalist to claim where interested as that doesn't involve any proof and is easy to back out of, while providing traction for themselves.
im not asking for transparency, i think it much better united work in secret, i was simply pointing out this story can not be compared with the cesc story.
I hear that!
If true, my bad. I always thought he'd moved permanently back to central midfield for Sevilla.
I know Vidal does. I wasn't directly comparing them as players, I was comparing their stats and trying to show to a different poster that the statistics Vidal had weren't exceptional. Also, you could argue Rakitic brings qualities Vidal doesn't possess as well.
It's true.
Sure Rakitic does, but I think we have that type of player in Herrera now, we need some commitment and fighting spirit in our midfield, I get headache if I see Fellaini when he's trying to get into a tackle or, what happens more often, he doesn't even try but jogs after his opponent.
I think you could do with a player to dictate the tempo ala Carrick (at his best) or Modric and a defensive midfielder.
Signing two more, cheaper, midfielders for a midfield 3 would be more beneficial than just signing Vidal in my view.
Although I'm not sure who you could sign to perform that role. Gustavo would be a good choice for the DM, or Martinez although expensive. Think Carvalho is stupidly overpriced though would also fit the bill.
Unless you guys think Carrick could do it next season next to some more energetic midfielders who offer him cover?
I don't think we'll line our midfield up like Juve, I'm expecting a midfield-two with Mata/Kagawa in front of them, they would do the dictating. Should we really get Vidal, the midfield-two of him and Herrera has the potential to be terrifying, both very complete players.
Still don't buy the Vidal stories btw.
Or both? I'd happily give him a 1 million bonus a top of what ever fee he asks for if he gets them here.
It is true though, those numbers really skewed the perception of his season. He'll always be a hero for the hat trick against liverpool, mind!
Very, very attacking though. You'd get caught out by the bigger sides as both like to push forward a lot. Doesn't Van Gaal prefer a midfield 3? Although I've heard he is adaptable as far as formations go.
Nor do I, although I do think you are interested, I just don't think he'll move to United if he does go. Hopefully for United fans sake they aren't going all Fabregas over him, although I doubt they'd make that mistake again.
That's pretty generous of you, but as stated above, the Di Maria bit is bullshit, Vidal and Sanchez do have the same agent though.
Yeah, but lined up like their current Holland 5-3-2, so 2 CM's and one AM.
What does that mean, you are not buying the Vidal duvet and curtain set for your bedroom just yet?
Of course they print stuff to grab headlines, but you sound so sure that we are not in for Vidal and its papers printing BS. You're incredibly dismissive of the idea that we MIGHT just be in for him [doesn't mean we'll sign him] - it's as bad as those that believe every single article they read.
No, because a bid is usually the LAST thing that goes in during a transfer. We bid for Shaw at the end of the season, by then, we had agreed personal terms and we had an idea what fee Saints would accept. You don't start the process by bidding, so, am really not surprised we have not bid for him.
im not saying where 100% not in for him, im just saying none of the reports have made be belive we have anything more then a passing interest in him, and at this stage to me it seems that it far more fans been interested in us signing him rather than man united been interested in signing him.
How would a club have a "passing" interest? Either they want to sign him or they dont. Its not like buying a pair of shoes.
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