Regardless of England showing in Europe (we have had Chelsea and Fulham reach Europa league/Uefa cup finals btw, also tend to get fecked over in the knockouts of the CL, but whatever), they are still doing a lot better than teams from Italy. The difference in the quality being played is also evident to me. Also, defences in Italy are not as strong now.
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Regardless of England showing in Europe (we have had Chelsea and Fulham reach Europa league/Uefa cup finals btw, also tend to get fecked over in the knockouts of the CL, but whatever), they are still doing a lot better than teams from Italy. The difference in the quality being played is also evident to me. Also, defences in Italy are not as strong now.
Perhaps we should learn from Tottenham's mistake last year and go for one of the very best instead of a few players who are good/great and in todays market the very best costs 40-60m. I'm not saying that I am condoning those inflated prices but it is state of the market today.
SAF tried to find "value in the market" especially in his latter years and it is one of the factors that led to the situation we are in today.
As is i mentioned - Fergie etc. said the Ronnie money would be re-invested in top names. It wasnt. They've also maintained that the Ronnie money is still available for the right signing - that remains to be seen..
look up the accounts and see where that money went. it was rolled over to service high interest debt
I agree that the premiership is better than seria a, I said that in one of my posts to erikson. I just think they way it was being dismissed was not right. I think it has potential and things change so fast in football. Look at atletico Madrid now, look at barca after the 07/08 season in which they finished 18 points behind an average Madrid team go on to conquer the world, look at how Liverpool declined in 09/10 after being so close to winning the title the year before and then going from 7th last year to 1st this year and then slipping(hehehe) down to second. I definitely believe that if a player can perform well in Italy they can in England. Balotelli was never really a quality issue tbh. Milan gave done ok too getting to quarter finals and giving barca some tough matches and having some harsh refereeing decisions go against them. The balance of power changes so fast so that is why it is hard to outright say a league is the best because it may do well one year then struggle the next.
I'm gettin deja vu with this issue.. Best to just drop it mate - its boring to say the least..
I don't see the balance of power changing at all. Roma and Juve will keep going, Napoli will stagnate and the rest are a bit average. The money isn't there for Milan to comeback easily and Inter Milan have a average squad as well aside from a couple good players such as Kovacic, Palacio and maybe Icardi.
There are teams in spain other than the big three that are better than spurs and everton. A lot of Spanish teams have won the Europa league in recent years. Before this year I would not include Liverpool as they were miles off the pace and arsenal while being a good team never really look like a team to me that will go the distance and win the league or cl. They are a far cry from the team of henry et all. The Chelsea teams of 04/05 and 05/06 and united from 06/07 to 08/09 used to regularly finish way ahead of the team that came third as did the team in second those years. That is because the winners at the time were of a very high level. The league in recent years may be closer but not due to teams catching up with the top but due to the teams at the top dropping off.
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Jesus H. Christ, we got 80m, not 800m from him. Only on the last 30 months we have spent around 250m on transfers and people still mention Ronaldo's money,
People said the same about la liga and that it would always be between Madrid and barca. Money helps a lot but sometimes a great manager with a plan or something similar like good owners taking over can change everything. In Italy they could have said that united in 7th would mean they were stagnating (they would be wrong).
I never once mentioned Ronaldo's bank balance..
Good post..
Thanks
.What does this mean then?
I swear that unless we sign a plyer for exactly 80m pounds people will still mention Ronaldo's money.
Joke was obviously lost on ya so..
"Ronnie's money" - "Ronnie's bank balance"..
Tough crowd!
I'm not going to get completely drawn into this until we actually have some concrete information. At the moment it's just iffy reports from twitter that aren't fully being backed up by credible sources, especially in England. If contact has been made between the to clubs and talks may happen soon, this transfer still looks like it could be one to last the whole summer.
That's all we're gonna get until either we buy him or the transfer window ends sadly.
Twitter is the worst website in the world at this time of year if you're a football fan. ITK's, bullshitting from supposedly respected sources, contradictions by journalists, etc.
The only people that actually know what's going on are the clubs involved, the players and their agents and it's all kept hush hush until something official happens. The twitter discussion thread needs renaming to bullshit discussion really.
Pretty much.
As much as I'd like Vidal, if we were to get him, i'm sure we wouldn't have bought Herrera. As it is, we now have Herrera who will no doubt play in the number 8 role, which is Vidal's specialized position.
A few people have been saying the two could work in a double pivot, and while that could be right, the two of them are too attack minded for me. In a double pivot, you normally have someone who is more defence minded and drops back a bit. In my opinion, we'd be taking away the great attacking attributes of either Herrera or Vidal (if we get him) if we were to ask one of them to play as the more reserved midfielder.
A few people have been saying the two could work in a double pivot, and while that could be right, the two of them are too attack minded for me. In a double pivot, you normally have someone who is more defence minded and drops back a bit. In my opinion, we'd be taking away the great attacking attributes of either Herrera or Vidal (if we get him) if we were to ask one of them to play as the more reserved midfielder.
But the point of a double pivot is that both midfielders get a go at attacking? Neither is going to be reserved. I think our midfield is so shit that we're stuck on this notion of any player being 'more reserved'. More dynamism please
The two midfielders do get to attack, but one is natural more defence minded than the other. For example, Martinez/Schweinsteiger, Bender/Gundogan, Fernandinho/Yaya, etc. All the former our more defence minded. We used to have it with Keane/Scholes. While both attacked, Keane was the to do more of the dirty work.
The bane of Fergie no doubt. That current Madrid team is full of his transfer woes
If we do sign him, I suggest the Sun go with, "Vidal to Title".
or if we get into the top again quickly ... 'Back Sasoon'
There'll almost certainly be a "Vidal Statistics" article about his assists, goals, pass completion, etc.
As each day passes, my head is telling me that this transfer is less and less likely. So i have been thinking of realistic alternative options should Vidal not come.
Im currently liking the cheaper alternatives of Kehdira and the Bender bro at Dortmund. Both would be cheaper yet still provide the quality to get back into the champions league, then the rebuild can seriously kick off.
Im currently liking the cheaper alternatives of Kehdira and the Bender bro at Dortmund. Both would be cheaper yet still provide the quality to get back into the champions league, then the rebuild can seriously kick off.
Of what I'm hearing, the transfer of di Maria is more likely than Vidal. First and last contact for Vidal was held around 2 weeks ago.
Indeed. The press are clearly getting nothing from the club. Things will be going in behind the scenes.
People on Twitter banging out made up rumours at the rate of a hundred or so a day seems to have the effect that fans seem to think deals are done in a day or so, rather than taking the speculation for what it is and being patient.
People seem to think that because it's gone quiet nothing is happening. A lot of players will be on holiday, there is a long time to go in the window so things won't be being rushed.
Vidal to Manchester United 'well underway', agent closing deal in Italy
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...united-well-underway-agent-closing-deal-in-it
Gazetta seem adamant.
http://sportwitness.ning.com/forum/...united-well-underway-agent-closing-deal-in-it
Gazetta seem adamant.
Couldn't think of a more different pairing
A single one of Ander or Vidal gets more stuck in and makes more tackles than that partnership did
More goals, better passing
Vidal would definitely be different in a midfield 2 but still bring plenty and get on the scoresheet more often than our cms
Is Gazzetta even reliable?
Nobody is reliable.
This Arturo Vidal story is frightening me tbh.
To me, it looks like too much at Fabregas last year, or Wesley Sneijder recently.
I mean, yeah of course he would be a huge huge huge addition to our squad, but, I mean he's a top top top player and maybe a year without CL, and a club who will compete for the top4 this season, when he can head to Barcelona or Munich this summer... Or staying at Juve also.
I still have a lot of doubt about Woody in transfer market, about United in the market this year also...
I will only believe this story when Twitter will go mad about that, if he comes by private jet or so.
To me, it looks like too much at Fabregas last year, or Wesley Sneijder recently.
I mean, yeah of course he would be a huge huge huge addition to our squad, but, I mean he's a top top top player and maybe a year without CL, and a club who will compete for the top4 this season, when he can head to Barcelona or Munich this summer... Or staying at Juve also.
I still have a lot of doubt about Woody in transfer market, about United in the market this year also...
I will only believe this story when Twitter will go mad about that, if he comes by private jet or so.
I'd laugh if Vidal was just a smokescreen and we sign someone else.
I wouldn't be surprised is we dropped our interest weeks ago. I think we may be in for Schweinsteiger as he will want a more defensive midfielder to play along side Herrera.
With Kroos going Schweinsteiger isn't likely to leave Bayern now.
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