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Cantonarightboot said:
Oh I know he is alright, I've no doubt about his quality.

On the basis of Sanchez's form for club and country recently he is as good as for me, also he is two year younger. Sanchez is fantastic wide forward, can cross, shoot, dribble and go past players... Something we really missed last season too. Our wingers are utter $hite!!

Aaaaah feck it...I want both!! Ed...get on it!! :lol:
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I agree we need Sanchez or a winger of real quality. If you look at possible 4-3-3 lineups next season they do lack real pace. Vidal Herrera and Carrick possibly in midfield IF we get really lucky. Ahead of them perhaps Mata RVP and Rooney/Adnan. The front 3 or 4 options all lack blistering pace.
 
Still have doubts we can do this transfer, but if we do (on paper) we can challenge for the title even with no more new signings, would probably mean Smalling/Evans/Jones having a fantastic season but yeah:-

Adnan(Kagawa) Herrera Vidal Mata
---------Rooney
---------RVP

Or

Herrera----Carrick-----Vidal
----Mata---Rooney-
----------RVP

If someone said last summer (before we signed Mata) this COULD be our attacking line-up in 12months, who would have believed?

No Champions League football next season but I'd argue that would be a better side than our Champions League teams that reached 3 out of 4 finals.
 
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Red Hand Devil said:
£45m + Nani = £45m :smirk:

Add up what Nani's contract is & that £45m figure is seriously reduced - what him goin will save us in wages. He must be on around £120k per week or more.

He seems the type that would wound down his contract to milk the shit out of the wages. He wont get those wages anywhere else thats for sure..

He only signed a new 4/5 year deal this year or just before the new year, so if you add his wages up for the remainder of his contract - thats:

£120k x 208 wks (4 years) = £24,960,000


It certainly looks a helluva lot sweeter a deal if you think about that the wages gettin rid of Nani would save us & that £120k per week is only a guess - it could be £150k per week, which is another £6,240,000 & over £31m saved in total wages..


Effectively we'd be gettin Vidal for £14m ;)
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Cantonarightboot said:
Oh I know he is alright, I've no doubt about his quality.

On the basis of Sanchez's form for club and country recently he is as good as for me, also he is two year younger. Sanchez is fantastic wide forward, can cross, shoot, dribble and go past players... Something we really missed last season too. Our wingers are utter $hite!!

Aaaaah feck it...I want both!! Ed...get on it!! :lol:
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True, and I'd be delighted to get Sanchez, but there are rumours we're interested in di Maria and tbh, I'd prefer Angel. I don't put too much emphasis on performances in World Cups and other international competitions. Don't get me wrong, before the WC, I told anyone who would listen that Sanchez was the most underrated player in the world and that we should get him before his price goes up (I felt confident he would have an excellent WC). He of course had a fantastic season with Barca also, despite not many commenting on it. He scored around 20 goals in the league didn't he? Considering the acquisition of Neymar, I think that's testament to how good a player he is.

However, I still wouldn't quite put him on the level of Vidal. That being said, I'd be delighted to have any of Vidal (the most necessary imo), Sanchez or di Maria at Utd. I do feel that di Maria would probably suit the Premier League more than Sanchez however, due to his strength, speed and stamina.
 
Dazzmondo said:
True, and I'd be delighted to get Sanchez, but there are rumours we're interested in di Maria and tbh, I'd prefer Angel. I don't put too much emphasis on performances in World Cups and other international competitions. Don't get me wrong, before the WC, I told anyone who would listen that Sanchez was the most underrated player in the world and that we should get him before his price goes up (I felt confident he would have an excellent WC). He of course had a fantastic season with Barca also, despite not many commenting on it. He scored around 20 goals in the league didn't he? Considering the acquisition of Neymar, I think that's testament to how good a player he is.

However, I still wouldn't quite put him on the level of Vidal. That being said, I'd be delighted to have any of Vidal (the most necessary imo), Sanchez or di Maria at Utd. I do feel that di Maria would probably suit the Premier League more than Sanchez however, due to his strength, speed and stamina.
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My issue with Maria is he is still quite young, more worrying is, he has a touch of the Nani's about him! Meaning he'll glide past 3 players as if they we're never even on the pitch, do some beautiful piece of skill to the by line and then proceed to smash the football into the face of someone sat in row z enjoying their pie! :)

Don't get me wrong, Di Maria just had a blinder of a season with Madrid, I was certain he'd have a cracking tournament and he has been utterly cack!!! I was so confident of his being the POTT that I even put small wager on him collecting the award!! Bugger!!
 
Cantonarightboot said:
My issue with Maria is he is still quite young, more worrying is, he has a touch of the Nani's about him! Meaning he'll glide past 3 players as if they we're never even on the pitch, do some beautiful piece of skill to the by line and then proceed to smash the football into the face of someone sat in row z enjoying their pie! :)

Don't get me wrong, Di Maria just had a blinder of a season with Madrid, I was certain he'd have a cracking tournament and he has been utterly cack!!! I was so confident of his being the POTT that I even put small wager on him collecting the award!! Bugger!!
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Di Maria's 26 mate, he's a year older than Sanchez. A poor tournament yes, though he has played a couple good games at the tournament. He was playing very well in the Belgium game before he got injured imo. He was tremendous with Madrid all season anyway and I'd love to see him at Utd. There's very little chance of him going the way of Nani. Tbh, the main reason Nani went the way he did was injuries anyway, the same thing happened with Pato. As far as I'm aware, di Maria doesn't have a major injury record. He's also much better physically than Nani.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Di Maria's 26 mate, he's a year older than Sanchez. A poor tournament yes, though he has played a couple good games at the tournament. He was playing very well in the Belgium game before he got injured imo. He was tremendous with Madrid all season anyway and I'd love to see him at Utd. There's very little chance of him going the way of Nani. Tbh, the main reason Nani went the way he did was injuries anyway, the same thing happened with Pato. As far as I'm aware, di Maria doesn't have a major injury record. He's also much better physically than Nani.
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The main reason nani is garbage now is because of him as a person.....lets not try and rationalise over his attitude!
 
If Liverpool continue to spend and do end up getting Markovic/Origi for £35m along with the other targets they've picked up it should only push Woodward to spend more, even more so if Arsenal get Sanchez/Debuchy and a DM. We're playing catch up to these sides and can't allow them to outspend us.
 
RedorDead21 said:
The main reason nani is garbage now is because of him as a person.....lets not try and rationalise over his attitude!
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I wouldn't say that. He was excellent at the end of the 2009/10 season and the start of the 2010/11 season. Then he got injured and his form was poor when he returned. Over the next few seasons he was consistently injured. People underestimate what an effect that has on a player's career. Kaka could be taken as another example, going from perhaps the best player in the world to a pretty average player with great technique in a short period of time.
 
goin4glory said:
If Liverpool continue to spend and do end up getting Markovic/Origi for £35m along with the other targets they've picked up it should only push Woodward to spend more, even more so if Arsenal get Sanchez/Debuchy and a DM. We're playing catch up to these sides and can't allow them to outspend us.
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I wouldn't worry at all about Liverpool. Their transfer activity so far has been terrible and the're throwing away large amounts of money on very average players. The're going to have the exact same problem Spurs had when they sold Bale. The only great player Liverpool are trying to get is Shaquiri and he could still struggle to adapt to the league at first. Arsenal appear to have good targets, but so far they haven't got anybody, so it's hard to straight away assume they'll get all these players. Sanchez does seem pretty likely though and that's a tremendous signing for them. He will suit their style of play also and will most likely score around 15 goals or more next season. Schneiderlin would be a very good buy also. Southampton are destroying their team. It's gotten so bad that I wouldn't be at all surprised if the're relegated next season. If that happens, there will be a lot of very talented players up for sale - Chambers, Clyne, Ward-Prowse, etc.
 
Dazzmondo said:
I wouldn't say that. He was excellent at the end of the 2009/10 season and the start of the 2010/11 season. Then he got injured and his form was poor when he returned. Over the next few seasons he was consistently injured. People underestimate what an effect that has on a player's career. Kaka could be taken as another example, going from perhaps the best player in the world to a pretty average player with great technique in a short period of time.
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A lack of desire is their biggest issue
 
Colin129 said:
All the signs are there, this whole thing smacks of a typical muppet fantasy which will last all summer and end in disappointment. Followed by a comment from LvG that he was never in for him in the first place.
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Spot on.
 
I'm calling Vidal to Bayern. Just like Thiago last year.
 
I think you may be onto something there, If Kroos is off to Madrid I can see Vidal looking like a pretty good replacement to them.
 
Dazzmondo said:
I wouldn't worry at all about Liverpool. Their transfer activity so far has been terrible and the're throwing away large amounts of money on very average players. The're going to have the exact same problem Spurs had when they sold Bale. The only great player Liverpool are trying to get is Shaquiri and he could still struggle to adapt to the league at first. Arsenal appear to have good targets, but so far they haven't got anybody, so it's hard to straight away assume they'll get all these players. Sanchez does seem pretty likely though and that's a tremendous signing for them. He will suit their style of play also and will most likely score around 15 goals or more next season. Schneiderlin would be a very good buy also. Southampton are destroying their team. It's gotten so bad that I wouldn't be at all surprised if the're relegated next season. If that happens, there will be a lot of very talented players up for sale - Chambers, Clyne, Ward-Prowse, etc.
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They overspent on Lallana but the other investments have been fine. Lovren is a quality CB better than anyone they currently have and Markovic is excellent just somewhat unknown to EPL fans, I'd much rather they signed Shaqiri than him. They'll be upgrading Aspas/Lucas to Lambert and Emre Can both of which are significant squad improvements. If all of those deals go through Rodgers really needs to address the full back positions but everywhere else is pretty solid and the added depth will help with the strain of Europe. I've not included Origi as it looks like he'll go back to France on loan but he seems like good value for 10m from what I've seen.
 
He's exactly the player we need and there were reports Woodward was going to bring in Cavani for 55m [probably BS] - So, if he was willing to spend that amount on Cavani, a player we didn't need, why haven't we made a bid for Vidal? I'd like us to sign Vidal, but let's face it, he's not coming here.
 
ArmandTamzarian said:
I think you may be onto something there, If Kroos is off to Madrid I can see Vidal looking like a pretty good replacement to them.
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There's 3 reasons this might no happen:

1. Vidal's not a 'Pep-type' CM at all.
2. Bayern didn't like Vidal snubbing them when he moved to Juve
3. Vidal strikes as me as the loyal type who won't play for another team in Germany or Italy. If so, Bayern are off limits.
 
Stretch said:
There's 3 reasons this might no happen:

1. Vidal's not a 'Pep-type' CM at all.
2. Bayern didn't like Vidal snubbing them when he moved to Juve
3. Vidal strikes as me as the loyal type who won't play for another team in Germany or Italy. If so, Bayern are off limits.
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4. Bayern won't match the wages we would be preapred to offer Vidal. They are prepared to lose Kroos over money, so I see no reason why they'd treat Vidal differently. This depends how much Vidal values money though of course.
 
goin4glory said:
If Liverpool continue to spend and do end up getting Markovic/Origi for £35m along with the other targets they've picked up it should only push Woodward to spend more, even more so if Arsenal get Sanchez/Debuchy and a DM. We're playing catch up to these sides and can't allow them to outspend us.
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We are not playing catch up to these sides! We have a better team, squad and more world class individual players than both sides. Putting things into perspective we had one bad season after Fergie retiring normal service will resume next year. We are a little of City and Chelsea but not by much.
 
Lawman said:
We are not playing catch up to these sides! We have a better team, squad and more world class individual players than both sides. Putting things into perspective we had one bad season after Fergie retiring normal service will resume next year. We are a little of City and Chelsea but not by much.
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We finished 7th and they finished above us, Liverpool in particular playing an excellent brand of football look 5x more of a team than we have. We need an identity/style of play and a team capable of doing it, at the moment we've got lots of square pegs in round holes.
 
goin4glory said:
They overspent on Lallana but the other investments have been fine. Lovren is a quality CB better than anyone they currently have and Markovic is excellent just somewhat unknown to EPL fans, I'd much rather they signed Shaqiri than him. They'll be upgrading Aspas/Lucas to Lambert and Emre Can both of which are significant squad improvements. If all of those deals go through Rodgers really needs to address the full back positions but everywhere else is pretty solid and the added depth will help with the strain of Europe. I've not included Origi as it looks like he'll go back to France on loan but he seems like good value for 10m from what I've seen.
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Lovren would be a good signing, yes. Markovic I completely disagree on. He doesn't look great to me at all and definitely not worth £20m. Emre Can is decent I suppose and at least they got him cheap, but he isn't going to be a starter for a few seasons imo. Lambert is a backup and will hardly ever play. I'd imagine they only signed him because they didn't think Origi would be ready to play should Sturridge get injured and also perhaps to help Lallana settle in. Origi looks a good young target man and the price looks like it could be a bargain, but again, he's a long term investment. I'm not seeing anyone who's going to replace the quality lost by selling Suarez. Now that they've basically got Markovic, they may not get Shaqiri and I'd be happy with that as he is easily the most talented of the players they've bought/been linked with.
 
goin4glory said:
We finished 7th and they finished above us, Liverpool in particular playing an excellent brand of football look 5x more of a team than we have. We need an identity/style of play and a team capable of doing it, at the moment we've got lots of square pegs in round holes.
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Kind of agree. Summer and the tour will tell us a lot about this season.....
 
Lawman said:
We are not playing catch up to these sides! We have a better team, squad and more world class individual players than both sides. Putting things into perspective we had one bad season after Fergie retiring normal service will resume next year. We are a little of City and Chelsea but not by much.
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Fecking hell! Shaw and Herrera are nice additions, but not enough on their own to make United PL winners again! Still problems at RB, CB, central midfield and on the wing to address. LVG can't get around that kind of stuff by being canny with goalkeeper substitutions! Hilarious to suggest we are already better than Liverpool and Arsenal!

Laughable stuff! :lol:
 
goin4glory said:
We finished 7th and they finished above us, Liverpool in particular playing an excellent brand of football look 5x more of a team than we have. We need an identity/style of play and a team capable of doing it, at the moment we've got lots of square pegs in round holes.
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The majority of the blame for last season goes on Moyes as far as I'm concerned and I said that as early as November. The tactics were the main problem. Tactics are Van Gaal's greatest strength and that won't be a problem this season. Liverpool were not involved in as many competitions as we were last season and so were able to concentrate their full attention on the league, whereas most of our best performances last season were in Europe. That's a strong contributing factor. In terms of talent, we are far superior, even moreso now that Suarez is basically gone. In fact, with Suarez gone, Liverpool look incredibly ordinary, no world class players. Sturridge, Gerrard and Sterling are probably their best and none are world class. Sturridge will have a lot of pressure next season as he'll basically have to carry the team in terms of goals. If he gets injured (which recent seasons would suggest he will), Liverpool are in serious trouble imo. Being in Europe will put even more strain on their squad. I see them seriously struggling this year.
 
charleysurf said:
Fecking hell! Shaw and Herrera are nice additions, but not enough on their own to make United PL winners again! Still problems at RB, CB, central midfield and on the wing to address. LVG can't get around that kind of stuff by being canny with goalkeeper substitutions! Hilarious to suggest we are already better than Liverpool and Arsenal!

Laughable stuff! :lol:
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You bring that up yet fail to mention van Gaal's exploits with an average Dutch squad. The only world beaters they have is RvP and Robben. Yet, he's found a system that works for them and got them playing well too. It's not that laughable really. You seem to undervalue the LvG >>> Moyes equation.
 
charleysurf said:
Fecking hell! Shaw and Herrera are nice additions, but not enough on their own to make United PL winners again! Still problems at RB, CB, central midfield and on the wing to address. LVG can't get around that kind of stuff by being canny with goalkeeper substitutions! Hilarious to suggest we are already better than Liverpool and Arsenal!

Laughable stuff! :lol:
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Both squads are quite ordinary, it's amazing how one season under a deranged manager can change peoples opinion do quickly.
 
Dazzmondo said:
Lovren would be a good signing, yes. Markovic I completely disagree on. He doesn't look great to me at all and definitely not worth £20m. Emre Can is decent I suppose and at least they got him cheap, but he isn't going to be a starter for a few seasons imo. Lambert is a backup and will hardly ever play. I'd imagine they only signed him because they didn't think Origi would be ready to play should Sturridge get injured and also perhaps to help Lallana settle in. Origi looks a good young target man and the price looks like it could be a bargain, but again, he's a long term investment. I'm not seeing anyone who's going to replace the quality lost by selling Suarez. Now that they've basically got Markovic, they may not get Shaqiri and I'd be happy with that as he is easily the most talented of the players they've bought/been linked with.
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They can't replace the quality of Suarez but that was always going to be impossible since a player of similar quality would be at a top club and not moving to Liverpool even if they weren't. Emre Can is versatile and will see plenty of game time with Liverpool featuring in 4 competitions. Lambert was never brought in to help Lallana settle he's brought in because he's significantly better than both Aspas or Borini, he's a good option for them to have only costing a few million, Sterling also had a breakthrough season last year and will only get better. I mentioned earlier that they overpaid for Lallana which is true but he's still a good addition and can play anywhere across the front 3, the versatility of Lallana/Sterling/Coutinho gives them plenty of options and Emre Ca has also been bought in part due to his ability to play in a number of positions.

Time will tell how good Markovic turns out to be so we'll just have to agree to disagree as I think he's a quality addition.
 
Stretch said:
There's 3 reasons this might no happen:

1. Vidal's not a 'Pep-type' CM at all.
2. Bayern didn't like Vidal snubbing them when he moved to Juve
3. Vidal strikes as me as the loyal type who won't play for another team in Germany or Italy. If so, Bayern are off limits.
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Good points, feck knows where he'll end up. If Utd do sign him it'll be a great coup though.
 
charleysurf said:
Fecking hell! Shaw and Herrera are nice additions, but not enough on their own to make United PL winners again! Still problems at RB, CB, central midfield and on the wing to address. LVG can't get around that kind of stuff by being canny with goalkeeper substitutions! Hilarious to suggest we are already better than Liverpool and Arsenal!

Laughable stuff! :lol:
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We are already better than Liverpool. Arsenal, maybe not yet, but we probably will be by the end of this transfer window. We don't need a rb. The only positions we need investment in are the other cm slot and at cb. Investment in other positions would help, but the're not necessary. You're massively underrating the squad. Herrera is better than any cm Liverpool have. If we get Vidal, which honestly, I think we will, the sides wouldn't even be comparable any more. Arsenal have a good first XI and good depth in midfield, but the're lacking a striker. Sanchez will be a tremendous signing if they get him, but they still need a better striker than Giroud and despite Arsenal fan claims, their defence sucks. The reason they didn't concede more last season was more down to their tactics/defensive coach from what I saw, as well as the fact that they dominated possession against most of the smaller teams. Any time they played the big teams their defence looked poor imo. I'll be very surprised if we don't finish above both Arsenal and Liverpool next season.
 
Now that Bayern have signed Bernat, hopefully he sees Alaba and not Vidal as being Kroos' replacement.
 
Dazzmondo said:
The majority of the blame for last season goes on Moyes as far as I'm concerned and I said that as early as November. The tactics were the main problem. Tactics are Van Gaal's greatest strength and that won't be a problem this season. Liverpool were not involved in as many competitions as we were last season and so were able to concentrate their full attention on the league, whereas most of our best performances last season were in Europe. That's a strong contributing factor. In terms of talent, we are far superior, even moreso now that Suarez is basically gone. In fact, with Suarez gone, Liverpool look incredibly ordinary, no world class players. Sturridge, Gerrard and Sterling are probably their best and none are world class. Sturridge will have a lot of pressure next season as he'll basically have to carry the team in terms of goals. If he gets injured (which recent seasons would suggest he will), Liverpool are in serious trouble imo. Being in Europe will put even more strain on their squad. I see them seriously struggling this year.
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Tactics were not the problem in the final few games under Giggs when plenty of performances looked similar to that of Moyes. The problem is the team has no pace/physicality/aging CB's who don't want to go beyond the 18 yard line and too many number 10's who all want the ball into feet and play around in circles with no one capable of running beyond the defence or actually beating a man. Herrera and Shaw will fill in 2 gaps but there's plenty of issues to be resolved before we can talk about competing against Arsenal/Liverpool. The main difference is whilst Liverpool/Arsenal may have less "world class individuals" but the team has a style of play/clear direction that everyone understand and players are being bought specifically to fit into that team. So what if we have RVP/Rooney/Mata if none of them can play together? To get the best out of these players you need a supporting cast that get's the best out of their assets and can make up for the weaknesses. If you want Mata as a 10 you need some mobile and athletic CM's to make up for his lack of defensive ability. If you want RVP as your striker you need widemen with pace who can stretch defences and run beyond the last line. We have none of those assets for either of those players.
 
goin4glory said:
They can't replace the quality of Suarez but that was always going to be impossible since a player of similar quality would be at a top club and not moving to Liverpool even if they weren't. Emre Can is versatile and will see plenty of game time with Liverpool featuring in 4 competitions. Lambert was never brought in to help Lallana settle he's brought in because he's significantly better than both Aspas or Borini, he's a good option for them to have only costing a few million, Sterling also had a breakthrough season last year and will only get better. I mentioned earlier that they overpaid for Lallana which is true but he's still a good addition and can play anywhere across the front 3, the versatility of Lallana/Sterling/Coutinho gives them plenty of options and Emre Ca has also been bought in part due to his ability to play in a number of positions.

Time will tell how good Markovic turns out to be so we'll just have to agree to disagree as I think he's a quality addition.
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Both Aspas and Borini are poor and got almost no game time at Liverpool. Lambert acts as backup, fine for squad depth, but he won't improve the team, which is the whole point. I'm stating that Liverpool will be significantly weaker next season, and so far, you seem to be agreeing with me that they aren't improving (except perhaps in depth to help with a more demanding schedule). I don't see Can playing much in the Premier League. These players will help the team in other competitions, but in the league the're definitely going backwards. Lallana should do pretty well, but I doubt he'll do anything amazing. Coutinho's injury proneness will probably ruin his season despite his immense talent so the chances of that trio remaining all season seems unlikely. Lallana and Markovic are the only signings I see getting significant game time. Markovic may look great flying down the wing with pace, but I doubt his end product will be as convincing. Sterling is talented, but not ready to carry the team, which he would need to do for Liverpool to remain in the top 4. Also, his goal output isn't great. The only way I see Liverpool remaining in the top 4 is if Sturridge reaches a world class standard midway through the season and remains fit for pretty much the entirety of it. Short of that, I doubt it.
 
Vidal and Herrera midfield duo would remind me of Anderson and Cleverley partnership in the 2011/2012 campaign. I am skeptical that we will get Vidal, but if we do he might appear a much different player than we saw at Juventus if he is played in a more restrictive role.
 
Amadaeus said:
Vidal and Herrera midfield duo would remind me of Anderson and Cleverley partnership in the 2011/2012 campaign. I am skeptical that we will get Vidal, but if we do he might appear a much different player than we saw at Juventus if he is played in a more restrictive role.
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I don't think that you could be any more off the mark there, it'd be nothing alike. Surely a partnership is something that's built up over time anyway. How many games did Ando/Clev play together?
 
Amadaeus said:
Vidal and Herrera midfield duo would remind me of Anderson and Cleverley partnership in the 2011/2012 campaign. I am skeptical that we will get Vidal, but if we do he might appear a much different player than we saw at Juventus if he is played in a more restrictive role.
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