Arturo Vidal

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Derek Acorah said:
I admire your optimism when it comes to footy Journo's and their work. I personally won't believe it's happened until I see it confirmed on Sky Sports ticker.
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Offside said:
Spot on. None of these Journos know much until the latter stages of transfers. How anyway can say Ogden is reliable is beyond me.
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That isn't true either. I highly doubt that the top end journalists for papers like the Guardian and Telegraph (note: not talking about the dross papers) make up stories. What actually happens is they have sources who might be making up stories/may only have partial information. Transfers are very dynamic, things can change quickly. The information a journo is fed may be out of date/not be the full picture of what is happening.

Therefore the question isn't whether these journalists make stuff up, it is whether a) the information is up to date, b) whether somethings changed since, and c) the credibility of the information they are using.
 
Cantonarightboot said:
Not to be picky here, if I had the choice between Vidal or Sanchez...It's Sanchez every time! The guy just had an incredible WC! Played a blinder for Barca this year too.

Sanchez maybe isn't available or at least available at a price Utd are willing to pay... I'd prefer to stump up for him though personally.
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Not sure about that. Sanchez is a brilliant player but there are also other fantastic wingers out there - Reus/Di Maria/Cuadrado etc.

Vidal is in a league of his own though, easily the most complete midfielder there is and would probably improve us immensely.
 
Another terrible article on Vidal: http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.../manchester-united-transfers-nani-key-7379495

Juventus are still keen on a swoop for United Winger Nani, Who could play a key role in Louis van Gaal's pursuit of midfielder Arturo Vidal
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then two lines later:
But M.E.N Sports understands there has not been any contact from Old Trafford with the italians over the player
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so where pursuing him so quietly juventus don't even know? how exactly is that perusing him? unless they mean actually following him around??

article also says with out any preamble;
While Moyes' first major signing Marouane Fellani won't give in
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Give in on what? it offers no explanation.......bizzare.

Is it just me or is journalism reached a new low of Utter BS this year?
 
Kaos said:
Not sure about that. Sanchez is a brilliant player but there are also other fantastic wingers out there - Reus/Di Maria/Cuadrado etc.

Vidal is in a league of his own there, easily the most complete midfielder there is and would probably improve us immensely.
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For me it isn't so much the quality of other options. It's just Vidal has been my dream signing for years now (since Ozil moved to Real, he was my dream signing back then) and I just couldn't pick any other player over him unless we are talking Ronaldo/Messi level.

I like Sanchez but couldn't take him over Vidal.
 
rpitroda said:
For me it isn't so much the quality of other options. It's just Vidal has been my dream signing for years now (since Ozil moved to Real, he was my dream signing back then) and I just couldn't pick any other player over him unless we are talking Ronaldo/Messi level.

I like Sanchez but couldn't take him over Vidal.
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I'm the same but we dont need either or, we need both.
 
Theon said:
Pretty sure Vidal would be more expensive than Sanchez
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Probably, but a lot of it is to do with Barcelona wanting to move Sanchez on. If both wanted to be kept by their clubs (i.e. assuming club wanted to keep, player wanted to leave), I would imagine they'd command a similar fee given age/position.
 
Hypothetically speaking: Would people take Verratti for £30 million - meaning £20 million for Depay (for example) too, or just Vidal for £45 million?

Considering Vidal's 27.
 
Speak said:
Hypothetically speaking: Would people take Verratti for £30 million - meaning £20 million for Depay (for example) too, or just Vidal for £45 million?

Considering Vidal's 27.
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At 27, I'd expect a world class midfielder until 2020 if we sign Vidal. Worth it.
 
Cantonarightboot said:
well if Kroos leaves, hopefully it'd be too us. If we can't get Vidal it'd make sense to then attempt to sign Kroos...

Besides it might actually shut Scholesy up then :lol:
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I think Kroos is going to Madrid I think.

Looking at the situation my guess is we're going to try for Vidal in the coming weeks and if it doesnt happen William Carvalho will be the back up plan.
 
Speak said:
Hypothetically speaking: Would people take Verratti for £30 million - meaning £20 million for Depay (for example) too, or just Vidal for £45 million?

Considering Vidal's 27.
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The answer is, it depends. With Vidal, we can play a MF 3 or a MF 2. Vidal and Herrera have enough energy and technical ability to play with them in MF which might allow us to incorporate Mata, Rooney, and RVP better.

However, on the other hand, Veratti probably needs a 3 man MF more than Vidal as he lacks energy. However he has a great passing range. He's destined to be like Pirlo so if we got him we'd probably need a MF 3 of Veratti being deepest, and Herrera + 1 more box to box, as I don't think Cleverley, Carrick, or Fellaini could do the job.

Which brings me to the final point in that for now, we have Carrick who theoretically can do the job Veratti does (though of course, i don't think he's as good).

For that reason I'd probably take vidal.
 
I had a feeling this morning that we have agreed to sign Kroos. Just seems a bit TOO quiet after the rumours about us not being interested.
 
rpitroda said:
However, on the other hand, Veratti probably needs a 3 man MF more than Vidal as he lacks energy. However he has a great passing range. He's destined to be like Pirlo
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Really? I've never gotten that impression at all, he's always seemed to have a much higher work rate than Pirlo has defensively and he's definitely more aggressive. He's never seemed the quickest but his stamina and energy has always seemed fine.
 
Theon said:
Really? I've never gotten that impression at all, he's always seemed to have a much higher work rate than Pirlo has defensively and he's definitely more aggressive. He's never seemed the quickest but his stamina and energy has always seemed fine.
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I just don't think he's built for a 2 man midfield. He has stamina and energy but if you're going to play a 2 man midfield, you need to do a lot of work on both ends. For me, I'm sure he COULD play in a 2 man midfield, but I don't think he'd be anywhere near as good as he can be. For me, you leave Veratti to dictate the game. You have a 3 man midfield, 2 of which can work hard and contribute in both phases, and you let Veratti do what he does without too much guidance.
 
red_7 said:
Kroos to Real, Vidal to Bayern. That is what I expect to happen this summer.
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3 years is a long time, but these comments are better than nothing to keep our hopes alive! If Bayern don't go for him either, there's only real rival English competition left. Most of which don't need to strengthen in Vidal's position as much as others and/or have FFP restrictions.
 
Hmmmm, I have to say at this point LVG being at the world cup is really beginning to hinder our chances of top targets like this, we all know the amount of influence a simple call or meeting with a manager can make. At the moment Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Guardiola are probably lining up meetings with so and so player and beginning to start a relationship.

Currently we are in an advantageous situation where we are willing to spend and we have one or two players they would genuinely be interested in. If we get him and thats a huge IF I see us offering 42m+Nani then us selling them Evra on a cut price deal of a Million or so, it would sweeten the deal and keep all parties happy. It also lines up with us going in for Rodriguez from Wolfsburg.

However I think once Bayern become interested well see fast movement from their camp, we can outspend them on wages but we can not offer CL football or an almost guaranteed league title. Bayern is a huge threat to us getting our man and by the way we persued Kroos and then dropped interest I could see them busting their balls to ruin our plans. The only saving grace is I doubt Juve would sell to a CL rival.
 
SiRed said:
I had a feeling this morning that we have agreed to sign Kroos. Just seems a bit TOO quiet after the rumours about us not being interested.
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Eh....id think its pretty much nailed on he's going to Madrid. We had our chance, LVG didnt want him. We move on.
 
SolidState said:
Hmmmm, I have to say at this point LVG being at the world cup is really beginning to hinder our chances of top targets like this, we all know the amount of influence a simple call or meeting with a manager can make. At the moment Ancelotti, Pellegrini, Guardiola are probably lining up meetings with so and so player and beginning to start a relationship.

Currently we are in an advantageous situation where we are willing to spend and we have one or two players they would genuinely be interested in. If we get him and thats a huge IF I see us offering 42m+Nani then us selling them Evra on a cut price deal of a Million or so, it would sweeten the deal and keep all parties happy. It also lines up with us going in for Rodriguez from Wolfsburg.

However I think once Bayern become interested well see fast movement from their camp, we can outspend them on wages but we can not offer CL football or an almost guaranteed league title. Bayern is a huge threat to us getting our man and by the way we persued Kroos and then dropped interest I could see them busting their balls to ruin our plans. The only saving grace is I doubt Juve would sell to a CL rival.
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I'd say his World Cup success could be even more attractive to top targets. Imagine if he won it, or even got to the final. Surely you, as a player, would be more inclined to play under a manager who has got every drop of talent out of a mediocre squad.

Plus he could always just give them a call when he's got a spare half hour, or after the world cup...
 
Sied said:
I'd say his World Cup success could be even more attractive to top targets. Imagine if he won it, or even got to the final. Surely you, as a player, would be more inclined to play under a manager who has got every drop of talent out of a mediocre squad.

Plus he could always just give them a call when he's got a spare half hour, or after the world cup...
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Yep, people forget that it's just early July, he'll concentrate on United at Monday next week, enough time.
 
Sied said:


3 years is a long time, but these comments are better than nothing to keep our hopes alive! If Bayern don't go for him either, there's only real rival English competition left. Most of which don't need to strengthen in Vidal's position as much as others and/or have FFP restrictions.
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Didnt Rummenigge step down? Three years is a long time, different manager, different president and possibly a different philosophy.
 
Agreed, I dont think Van Gaal being at the WC puts us at a disadvantage for signing players, quite the contrary. Van Gaal already had a great reputation but his stock is sky-high at the moment. It is obviously not ideal in terms of preparing for the new season and working with the squad and there is plenty of work to be done on that score, but Im confident he will hit the ground running.
 
Sied said:
I'd say his World Cup success could be even more attractive to top targets. Imagine if he won it, or even got to the final. Surely you, as a player, would be more inclined to play under a manager who has got every drop of talent out of a mediocre squad.

Plus he could always just give them a call when he's got a spare half hour, or after the world cup...
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This. I'm sure LVG has made his targets clear to Woodward or someone at the club, who will have at least informed the players/players agents that they have an interest.
 
I have a feeling we are not in for Vidal. I mean these stories have no base at all. There have been contradictory stories on the same day and there has been no talk from any official source. These Italian/Spanish clubs always have Presidents or Directors or someone talking to the media about a transfer.
 
Y2A said:
I have a feeling we are not in for Vidal. I mean these stories have no base at all. There have been contradictory stories on the same day and there has been no talk from any official source. These Italian/Spanish clubs always have Presidents or Directors or someone talking to the media about a transfer.
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There has been 'no talk from any official source' linking us to any target though, and we're definitely not done for the summer. LVG and Woody are clearly keeping things very quiet at the minute, so no one can know for sure if we're after Vidal, but there's certainly a lot of smoke at the minute.
 
There is clearly interest, the only question is are we going to spunk the anount needed to sign him ??
 
Cantonarightboot said:
Not to be picky here, if I had the choice between Vidal or Sanchez...It's Sanchez every time! The guy just had an incredible WC! Played a blinder for Barca this year too.

Sanchez maybe isn't available or at least available at a price Utd are willing to pay... I'd prefer to stump up for him though personally.
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No way, Sanchez is a fantastic player, but Vidal is top 10 in the world and top 3 cms. He's the best box to box cm in the world imo, better than Yaya. Plus, it's a position where we desperately need players.

If you honestly don't think Vidal is worth the money, you should really try and find some of his highlights from last season. He's a tremendous player.
 
Dazzmondo said:
No way, Sanchez is a fantastic player, but Vidal is top 10 in the world and top 3 cms. He's the best box to box cm in the world imo, better than Yaya. Plus, it's a position where we desperately need players.

If you honestly don't think Vidal is worth the money, you should really try and find some of his highlights from last season. He's a tremendous player.
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Oh I know he is alright, I've no doubt about his quality.

On the basis of Sanchez's form for club and country recently he is as good as for me, also he is two year younger. Sanchez is fantastic wide forward, can cross, shoot, dribble and go past players... Something we really missed last season too. Our wingers are utter $hite!!

Aaaaah feck it...I want both!! Ed...get on it!! :lol:
 
Red Hand Devil said:
£45m + Nani = £45m :smirk:

Add up what Nani's contract is & that £45m figure is seriously reduced - what him goin will save us in wages. He must be on around £120k per week or more.

He seems the type that would wound down his contract to milk the shit out of the wages. He wont get those wages anywhere else thats for sure..

He only signed a new 4/5 year deal this year or just before the new year, so if you add his wages up for the remainder of his contract - thats:

£120k x 208 wks (4 years) = £24,960,000


It certainly looks a helluva lot sweeter a deal if you think about that the wages gettin rid of Nani would save us & that £120k per week is only a guess - it could be £150k per week, which is another £6,240,000 & over £31m saved in total wages..


Effectively we'd be gettin Vidal for £14m ;)
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He's apparently on £90,000 per week, but your argument is redundant. Vidal's wage would easily be more than £100,000, probably closer to £200,000 so we'd be spending more than the £45m figure minus perhaps £5m in shirt sales. Assuming a wage of £150,000 per week (could be higher) on a 5 year contract (the same as Nani's) is £39,000,000 compared with Nani's £23,400,000.

That means the deal for Vidal would cost us approximately £50,600,000 (taking into account the £5,000,000 on shirt sales without reducing the number of shirt sales for Nani) The deal would probably cost between £45m and £55m which is a very high figure regardless of how you try to swing it. Not saying Vidal isn't worth that, but in terms of rationalising it, yours is not a valid argument. A better argument would be that we no longer have the £100,000 per week wage of Ferdinand or the £120,000 per week wage Vidic was on.
 
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