Because Gerrard and Lampard didnt and many said why wouldnt it....sometimes there are no explanations. Yaya for instance has to be paired will a relatively cheap holder who hardly moves to get his bext form out of him. Go Figure!
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Because Gerrard and Lampard didnt and many said why wouldnt it....sometimes there are no explanations. Yaya for instance has to be paired will a relatively cheap holder who hardly moves to get his bext form out of him. Go Figure!
I'd say it works with someone like Carrick behind them in a 4-3-3.
That wasn't a top, top midfield though was it? Scholes was excellent of course, but Carrick at first wasn't a top midfielder. They worked pretty well but it wasn't the strong point of our side, and many fans still felt we lacked a Keano type, box to box player. Carrick's best form didn't coincide with scholes being world class either, it was more just a good solid partnership with some very good games split between them.
Lampard is average at best defensively and not great in a traditional #8 role, he is great behind the stricker as an advanced midfielder.
And Yaya Touré is lazy and hate defending, so he needs someone to compensate that.
Basically what Redor said..
They're both used to be the more attacking of their midfield partners no? Possible it could turn out we'd be severely limiting one of them with the defensive responsibility or we're burdening them with a role they're not comfortable with.
With the state our midfield has been in the past few years, guess we can't afford to be turning down world class talent. No need for abuse for asking a question mind.
And Mata fits in where? Also have 4 strikers, Kagawa amongst others to think about.
Vidal, Herrera and Carvalho would be perfect.
dream scenario
Feck Carrick, we have spend £37.5m on mata, £29m on Herrera and if we get vidal it will be in the region of £40m atleast. I don't want to see the sight of Carrick anymore in a £106.5m midfield three after his abysmal displays last year.
-----Herrera----Vidal------
----------Mata-----------
Will work perfectly fine, Herrera is a versatile player, so is Vidal, they can perfectly cover the defensive side of our midfield game and still be creative and attacking enough. There is no need for Carrick whatsoever unless you'd want to play very defensive and overload the midfield.
Where you going to play Mata ?
------Vidal--Herrera-------
---------Mata------------
Would surely be the choice if we pull this off, but would we be restricting Vidal slightly? We'd have to tell them to take it in turns to sit or something. There's no way we're not playing one of Mata/Rooney in front of them except for a big away game or something.
---------Mata------------
Would surely be the choice if we pull this off, but would we be restricting Vidal slightly? We'd have to tell them to take it in turns to sit or something. There's no way we're not playing one of Mata/Rooney in front of them except for a big away game or something.
van Gaal wont play 3 in midfield all the time.
I expect he will switch formations and tactics to suit. That is why Rooney, Van Persie, Mata and other wide players being mentioned will have a role in his team.
I don't know. That wasn't the question though it was more about if Vidal and Herrera could work together in midfield which imo would only be the case if the had a third more defensively minded partner. You don't buy a Vidal if you only intend to use him as a defensive midfielder. If we want to keep playing a 4-2-3-1/4-4-1 Herrera will need a defensive partner like Carrick but preferably with a bit more of a physical presence but still being a capable footballer. In that case I would rather see us trying to get Martinez or Carvalho.
Wide right of the front 3 where he played in the 2011 European under 21s and was voted player of the tournament?
Yes there is. Gerrard and Lampard weren't real midfielders, they never stood out there, they stood out at 10's. Herrera and Vidal are proper midfielders.
Could work, but i think we'd need a more solid base if we're giving him license to be a wide forward. He's not going to defend a great deal.
Van Gaal nearly always plays with a number 10 in his side, be it in his traditional 4-3-3 formation or be it in his new experimental 3-5-2 formation. Mata is the logical choice to be that number 10, he is the one with the best passing skills in our team and atm he is our record transfer signing, you can't possibly be serious thinking LVG would leave him out in his XI.
----------------DDG---------------
Rafael-----X----------X--------Shaw
----------Herrera---Vidal-----------
---------------Mata----------------
Cuadrado---------RVP--------Januzaj
or something like
---------------DDG--------------
---------X------X-------X-------
Cuadrado---Herrera--Vidal----Shaw
----------------Mata-------------
------------RVP-----Rooney------
are the sort of systems I envisage with LVG (Cuadrado (Di Maria could be an alternative) ofcourse being an assumption, just like Vidal)
Point is the midfield always looks the same, as it is the hearth the of the team. He might play 4-3-3 against some lower teams where he wants to go all out attacking, he may play the 3-5-2 in games were defence is more important. Rooney is a golden sub in the first system here he can be an alternative for both Mata and RVP.
no need for somebody like Carvalho in these systems, not if you get Vidal. He could be an alternative to Vidal however, could play like this:
-------------DDG------------
Rafael----X-------X------Shaw
------------Carvalho----------
-----Herrera---------Mata----
Cuadrado-----RVP------Januzaj
But 3 new midfielders is just overkill and won't happen if you cosnider the fact how much money they would cost and the fact we also still need to aquire a new winger (Cuadrado, Di Maria or Sanchez) and a Centreback. We can do with one more, but two more is overkill and a waste of money.
Not his best position, you'd be waisting his skills there. He is at his best playing central. He became Chelseas player of the year playing as number 10, he became a mouth watering player playing number 10 not as right winger, he is worth £37.5m if you make him the focal point of your midfield where his passing skills can be used to best effect, not as a right winger.
Both Herrera and expecially Vidal are capable of doing the defensive job IMO. This combination would me miles better defensively than anything we played for a last couple of seasons.
Doesn't Vidal the odd time cover at CB for Chile, or at least used to?
I'd say it's fair to assume his defensive skills are just fine.
I'd say it's fair to assume his defensive skills are just fine.
Thought at least someone would of made a bid by now, can see this transfer if it does happen, going down the late August
Do Juve not want to sell Pogba? I think Pogba would be a much better signing for the money we're talking about for Vidal.
2007-9 was probably our best recent era - Scholes was excellent, favourite midfield player but Carrick was pretty good too and thought their partnership was very good. My point is that it is not 5/6 years that we lacked a very good midfield but over last 2/3 years Scholes had to be replaced and Carrick was excellent in 2012/3, they thought Cleverley would succeed but has not progressed as expected. Vidal would be a Keano like player which is why I hope he comes. Have the impression that last season has clouded people's memories
While before it was good, the midfield has been our weak point for the last 7-8 years without a doubt. We signed Hargreaves in 2007 hoping he'd fix it, but he was broken. Since then we've pretty much ignored it, but most fans always said we need to sign a midfielder. It wasn't vital between 06-09, but around 2010 it became a necessity imo.
Now it's gone to 7 or 8 years!?
In that time we won 5 PL titles, won the CL, reached two other CL finals, won the league cup 3 times, you don't win that with a poor midfield
Since 2010 we have won 2 PL titles reached CL final
The period 2001-2006 was our least successful in the PL era , completely lost on this point. Although as Keano left in 2005 I presume you are a massive Keane fan but in fact we improved after he left and don't see which other PL team matched us in the last 8 years
i love the express article: http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...ee-to-40m-deal-for-Juventus-star-Arturo-Vidal.
the headline says we have agreed a deal, the next line where on the verge of launching a bid.... a slight contradiction .....
the headline says we have agreed a deal, the next line where on the verge of launching a bid.... a slight contradiction .....
They probably mean we've agreed a deal with the player and his agent. In which case, awesome! We just need to convince Juventus to part company with him now.
Terribly written if that's what they do mean. It doesn't read like that at all.
Plus if I was an Express journo making up a story, I'd do it the other way around. Juve seem pretty likely to sell for the right price. Convincing Vidal that we are his best option will be the hardest part imo.
well the article implys we have agreed a price with juventus, but havn't decided whether to bid or not......
it the express anyway so has no bearing on the reality of the situation, and it just a terribly written article obviously designed to get clicks rather then report the news.
whether where in for vidal or not, i think one thing we all agree on is it will not be the daily express breaking the story.
Lets be honest for many years we might have been winning but the majority of the country watched on in disbelief at some of our lineups....Your correct but jesus of late I just wanted to field a team I could sit back and be actually confident they could match up to City and Chelsea...thats not to say we haven't beaten them...just to say I'd like to not think "holy shit we are fecked" for every big game. Not spoilt...just wanted a Man United midfield to be worthy of being compared to all our great midfields.
Yes for the last 2 or 3 years we have needed overhauling but not 7/8 years
i know.... surely their has to be an editor working for the express? their a national newspaper for god sake!
i mean that article makes my posts look well written an informed, and I'm heavily dyslexic and have as much an understanding or grammar as a parrot does of skiing..... so if i can pick flaws in it, their is something seriously wrong with putting an article like that on national newspapers website!
I know nowadays it more important for them to sell newspapers/get clicks rather then doing something as mundane as reporting the news, but really if your going to print made up rubbish, at least make it made up rubbish that makes some kind of sense!!!
sorry rant over......
I'd go further back. For me Scholes hasn't been scholes for 5-6 years..Keane was gone...yes we made do and we continued to win..but wing to wing our club should have one of the best midfields in the world never mind in the PL. Your going back 7-8 years since that perhaps? In the last 2-3 years there have been teams 5th or 6th in the PL with a better midfield.
As per previous post 2001-2006 was our least successful period , because Keane wasn't in our midfield doesn't mean it was worse - Scholes even came out of retirement and improved us in 2012/13 and imo became better after Keane left . We played a different way and were more successful- bearing in mind I loved Keane. Don't know who you are talking about who had a better midfield but I prefer winning than finishing 5th or 6th.
If Barcelona hadn't peaked around the same time as us we'd have been even more successful in Europe
Southampton and Spurs have had better midfields IMO in recent seasons. Dembele at Fulham would have walked into our first team for example. At a price we should have moved at.
And looking at him now you can see Spurs is his level. Plays with his head down and relies solely on his dribbling and physical feats. Cabaye was one we should've been in for, I do think. A Cabaye - Herrera pairing would've been pretty quality.
Did they think Strootman wasnt good enough as well....cant guess them all right. I get your point tho.
I agree with what you say about Demble but he's still streets ahead of Anderson Fletcher and Cleverley
Yeah and I do agree with both your points too. Looking at it now, he'd be a great squad option.
Luis Gustavo would walk into our midfield I suggest as well and at the price he went for another odd decision not to go there even if you were of the belief he was only a squad player. Which would be a wrong belief!
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