He's planets above them.
Arturo Vidal
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He's planets above them.
But even if you were right you're talking about last season really and this is exactly my point - last season seems to have wiped the memory of all that happened before and we would not have won what we did with any of Southampton or Spur's midfield
Yes we were winning, but the weak point in our team was the midfield, like it still is. Just because we were winning doesn't mean we had a complete team and couldn't improve. We had an average midfield compared to world class everywhere else, and slowly that got worse to the shit its been the last few years.
Who did we have the season before last season in CM who was better?
He turned Arsenal down to stay in Germany it seems. There was No chance of him moving to Manchester if that was the case.
We cant persuade over Arsenal? Perhaps your right but I dont think we even tried. Which again is fine I'm just trying to make the point we miss out on alot of talented midfielders who are going for sub 15m which is annoying when you play Clevs instead or Giggs in there for example.
You've missed the point entirely. If he turned a move to a top 4 PL side in Arsenal, then it seems he wanted to stay in Germany.
You can point to loads of players after the event. He's a decent stopper and good at what he does, hardly a match winner.
It's clear to anyone watching United for the last few years that we were lacking in midfield, hence the Fabregas saga and the Herrera debacle last summer. It was badly handled but clear the club wanted midfielders. It looks like we'll strengthen this summer so no point going back over old ground now in my opinion.
Correct. I wont mention Thiago either
Yes the club are clearly working on it and I will look forward from now on. Apologies....Luiz Gustavo is very good defensively but a pretty limited player all told. Yes he may well be better than some of our other options but I'm quite pleased we didn't sign him, personally. Vidal would be great.
Makele? Vidal I'm pinning my hopes on.
Correct. I wont mention Thiago either
No need to apologise - its a valid point and one I've been making for years.
If it wasn't for other players papering over the cracks, and Fergie's genius then we might have declined earlier. It seems to have sunk in now and the fact that the likes of Vidal are seemingly realistic targets to the board is good, even if the deal can't be done. It's shows ambition.
His role is to be a holding midfielder, that's why. You can't just sign lots of brilliant box-to-box players, it doesn't work like that. Having him allows your other central and attacking midfielders to be lax defensively.
Exactly right. The perfect foil for a yaya for example.....
Yes it does. I just want to approach a big game i.e. City...with confidence. I'm a pessimist anyway so even if we had the midfield of my dreams alas I would be still worried, so you can imagine what I've been like for the last few seasons and many more...
Yes, you are completely right. I am just not a big fan of that type of midfielder.
Well Carrick is similar in some regards with his limitations as well....?
You mean the season we won the PL by 11 points, Carrick for a start who had a great season
PS we were 17 points ahead of Spurs and 48 points ahead of Southampton
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I agree, I don't want us to sign him either - you want a bit more football from a CM.
I don't agree. Carrick had a poor season, but his passing and all-round game is above the level of Gustavo. He is not as good defensively though.
Besides, I have never been a massive fan of Carrick. He has been good for us, but no more than that, and I feel he never really realised his full potential. He was arguably playing at a better level aged 23-24 than he is now.
Well I see nothing wrong with a gustavo type, a modric type and a vidal type perfectly good in a 3. Each have their own limitations in my mind.
Let's just say we play with a Gustavo type, a Modric type (say Herrera) and a Vidal type (say Vidal). No argument that we'd be a pretty good team, especially with 3 class midfielders.
Who would drop out though? Are you suggesting Mata and Rooney either side of Van Persie? I'm not at all sure that would work - it would fail to get the most out of any of the 3.
Who would drop out though? Are you suggesting Mata and Rooney either side of Van Persie? I'm not at all sure that would work - it would fail to get the most out of any of the 3.
Mata wide right of the front 3 where he played the 2011 under 21 european championships and was player of the tournament. Adnan wide left. RVP centre. Rooney not good enough to start for me. I'd sell.
Fernandinho does a lot more for City than Gustavo does and he's been a pretty good foil.
That would be punchy from a decision point of view, I give you that much.
Its the kind of bold statement I'm looking for. Hernandez can be our main back up for RVP. I expect him to be much better next year under Van Gaal and a change of approach from the team.
Makelele allowed others to play. Gustavo is alot better than people on here believe.
I guess you guys just don't have the same appreciation in a #6 that I do, then. Gustavo would be excellent and probably my second choice if we cannot get Vidal of any midfielder we've been linked to.
Like the set up, and Rooney does seem to have gone a bit stale at United, but if LvG can get the fire in his belly again then he could get back to close to where he was, that is a very big if though.
Gustavo is a pretty long way behind Vidal in most aspects of the game. Sometimes a destroyer works well (Makalele) but often it just means there's one less player you have to worry about. Too predictable.
Vast majority of good teams over the past decade have done just fine without a dedicated destroyer like Makelele.
I know of one - Manchester United
From various threads on here - the summary is:
Our Defence is poor
Our Midfield is poor
Our Wingers are poor
Wayne Rooney is rubbish
Surprised we could ever win a match let alone all the titles we have won
He's more than just a destroyer. You need a player to hold and intercept play and recycle possession. He was pivotal in Bayern's treble winning season. Busquets is just as pivotal for Barcelona. De Jong for City etc... A holding midfielder is never a player you 'worry about' anyway. He's there to deal with those who your team worries about.
Come on, Busquets is on a different planet to Gustavo. We certainly worried about him in the CL Final when Rooney got a bollocking for not stopping him play.
I think they're great to have in the squad at a minimum.
Theres better #6's than gustavo but he's one of the the better ones we have a chance in hell of signing.
You dont need to play them against hull or stoke but it'll be nice to have against chelsea or city.
I'd still buy vidal though ... he's just too rediculously good not to buy.
Theres better #6's than gustavo but he's one of the the better ones we have a chance in hell of signing.
You dont need to play them against hull or stoke but it'll be nice to have against chelsea or city.
I'd still buy vidal though ... he's just too rediculously good not to buy.
Signings have been good so far but this would be a statement. I cant remember the last time we signed a player that go straight into any team in the world.....
Robin van Persie.
I'm just speaking out loud man & not directing this post at you. Just venting my frustrations on some key issues
Agree with the high-lighted bits!
We won games because they werent top 6 teams - bar Arsenal at OT. We only won 6pts from the top 6 last season - thats 6pts out of 36pts possible. Thats very worrying!
If Pool, Everton & City can all do the double over us, for the 1st time in the same season (whooped our arses while they were at it too) - then there's some serious problems with the team / squad & the way the team was set-up throughout the season. Its alot more than just Moyes' fault too. We were far from vintage the previous title-winning season & City & Chelsea were in disarray most of the season - we were settled & had no manager or player unrest either!
Its takin some risk to think Van Gaal will makes us Champions with the same squad as last season, with only addin one or two players..
Fergie said (from many reports) that the team he left Moyes needed serious upgrading; the board have said that aswell; MUTV have also said it; Robbo's said it; every ex-player with links to the club has said it; every football pundit has said it; opposition fans say it; opposition managers have said it - yet many United fans still think we can challenge for the title with a new manager & only 2 or 3 new players in aswell..
Thats the same delusions we've become so accustomed to of Liverpool fans, over the last 20 odd years:
"This is our year.." lads
Ferguson said nothing of the sort. He was incredibly proud of what he had left behind. ^
Last season was on that idiot in charge. Now the poison has been removed, well flourish once again. There's some nonsense in this forum at times, there really is. Yes, Van Gaal and our new players, of which there is more to come, will have us back challenging. Even now, our starting line up, on paper, is better than anything we've been able to put out since Ronaldo left the club. But yes, poor indeed.
Last season was on that idiot in charge. Now the poison has been removed, well flourish once again. There's some nonsense in this forum at times, there really is. Yes, Van Gaal and our new players, of which there is more to come, will have us back challenging. Even now, our starting line up, on paper, is better than anything we've been able to put out since Ronaldo left the club. But yes, poor indeed.
This.
DDG
Rafael-Jones-Evans-Shaw
Carrick-Herrera
Nani-Mata-Adnan
RVP
is still a brilliant lineup. That when I'm leaving the likes of Rooney out and we can more or less expect two more additions in this side. Like feck we won't challenge for the title.
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