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Arturo Vidal
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Of course it would. Its much more defensive minded then the Paul Scholes-Roy Keane cumbo that's for sure and I fancy VG playing Mata who is better in backtracking then Yorke.
How much would De Jong Cost? If reports about Felliani are true I hope we get De Jong and Vidal also. Our Midfield Would be complete.
Herrera
Carrick
Vidal
De Jong
Cleverley
Fletcher
All type of CM's you need.
Herrera
Carrick
Vidal
De Jong
Cleverley
Fletcher
All type of CM's you need.De Jong would be around 6-10M I'd say.How much would De Jong Cost? If reports about Felliani are true I hope we get De Jong and Vidal also. Our Midfield Would be complete.
Herrera
Carrick
Vidal
De Jong
Cleverley
Fletcher
I would love for us to sign him, although i think Herrera and Vidal as a combo would be extremely awesome, but i think we should go for Luis Gustavo aswell Wolfsburg bought him for 15 million or something they might be tempted with a 25 million euros offer which is 18 to 19 million which is a steal in today's market, he would be a Perfect soil for Herrera and Vidal defensively ,and it would allow both of them to express themselves offensively with less defensive responsibilities, and against bottom sides we can bench Gustavo and let these two run riot, while in Cpl against tough sides we would be soo hard to break down.
If we were goin after Gustavo, i'd drop that shit pronto & sign Carvalho instead. 22 years old & he's already a bittuva beast..
Sorry but that side looks poor to me. The inexperience in defense will be exposed week-in-week out especially against the big teams and what last season told me was Marmite Carrick is not even Marmite anymore, he's done and Nani? Never mind last season, did that guy even play in Fergie's last season?
To challenge, we need an experienced center back and another top level central midfielder.
We can sign Messi and Vidal and people will still find holes in it. Just saying that our weaknesses have been overstated due to poor namagement.
Except for the fact that it isn't inexperienced, is it? Rafael has had a two whole seasons as our first choice right back and looked brilliant pre-Moyes. Jones has had over 100 caps and Evans is close to double that. Shaw, possibly. But how on earth would it get exposed week-in week-out? The same way that Liverpool - the side who finished second - lost every game around with Johnson, Skrtel, Sakho, and Flanagan? Carrick is OK. He was poor last season but he's still our second best midfielder and will be a lot better with an actual midfielder beside him. Trust me, if Carrick was mustard, Ander is the damn hot dog. Nani I do agree, shouldn't be in that side. I know we love to rip apart our team on here for no reason but come on, this team is easily capable of finishing top four; which is our aim next season. From then on, we can worry about the world class talents we need to add. Besides, it's even possible to actually get top four, losing and drawing a large amount against the top four. Look at Arsenal.
I don't want us to pay 37 million for him, we have already paid 29 million for Herrera, 37 million for Mata, if we go on to pay 40 million for vidal and 37 million for him it would mean 150 million spent on midfield, which is staggering, and it would also mean we wouldn't be able to sign a Cb and a Winger so lets go for cheap alternatives maybe someone like De-jong would work perfectly for us.
See the thing is we are pinning all our hope on 1 midfielder (Hererra) a young player, who's not even played in the Premier League or for his country yet, what last season (and even previous seasons) told me is our midfield is more than 1 body short of quality, what happens if Hererra gets injured opening day of season and is out until February? It will be last season all over, that's why we need 2 new quality new faces there.
Yes we have a good side and we can fart arse around with formations all we want due to all the attacking midfielders we have here, what we can't fart arse around with though is central midfielders/defense because when you put a side (like the above guy did) or a side with Kagawa/Welbeck/Rooney we'll still always see massive holes in there and very imbalanced team due to how weak we are in other positions and to say we are not weak or try sugar coat in some shape or form (ie.hiding behind our attacking players) is just making the same mistakes over and over again.
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You can't have a squad of 11 superstars. We currently have three or four world class players in that squad, alongside a world class manager, how many other teams in the league can say that? Sometimes you need your elite players to carry you through your weaknesses. De Gea and Rooney did it to an extent last season, and RvP basically did it the season before.
They were talking about 30M EUR for De Jong
Of course Carvalho isnt worth £37m, but folk are sayin the same about Shaw & even Herrera - but who cares what they cost, as long as its not breaking the bank for us & leaving us snookered for other much-needed targets aswell.
United are due to declare £420m in record revenue at the end of the financial year. United have been creaming it in for God knows how many years & the squad has been neglected with cheap alternatives like Bebe, Zaha, Buttner, Smalling, Powell etc. to top-class quality players - bar a few exceptions of course - RVP, Mata, DDG..
I couldnt give a shite if we spend big - its about time the club did & got everything sorted in key areas. We wont have to worry about it for years if we get top-notch players in now..
Look at the spending PSG, Chelsea, Monaco & City have been doing over the past while - they've been ripped off quite a bit, but its payin off for them - regardless of the ticking-off some of them have had from the FFP rulers lately..
Its all about opinion at the end of the day & we all have one. We'll just have to trust LVG & the club to turn things around asap!
It's top heavy though, with 3 of those 4 players fighting for 2 positions.
We need either a quality defensive midfielder to give our young defenders the protection to grow or we need a top quality centre back to give our forwards the confidence to attack.
You can’t finish 7th in the league either, sign a 18 year old defender and a midfielder who’s not even played for his country yet and go:-
‘Everything’s fine, no problems here’
I agree with most of what you have said and i had forgotten about 27 million on Fellani aswell, what i am saying is if we sign Vidal for 40 million we could look for a cheap alternative like de-jong which can do an equally good job for us, and wait and scoop Carvalho next season for the same amount quoted get an agreement in principle or something like that with sporting, atleast he will be more proven with another year and we would get to see him in Cpl with sporting which will give us the idea about him, if he is good enough to be spent that amount on him, and lastly we do have to spend to compete against the best sides but we don't have to pay soo much over the odds and make ourselves look like liverpool who paid ridiculous amounts for Downing, henderson , Caroll etc. .
Don't be so dense, nobody is saying that at all.You can’t finish 7th in the league either, sign a 18 year old defender and a midfielder who’s not even played for his country yet and go:-
‘Everything’s fine, no problems here’
In all fairness, some are saying we will compete for the title.
Goal.com now sayin Juve want €56m + Nani, for Vidal.. and that United might just get Carvalho instead..
The Red Devils could turn their attention back to €46m-rated Sporting Lisbon defensive midfielder William Carvalho after being quoted a huge fee by Juventus for the Chilean
By Paul Clennam
Juventus have told Manchester United they will have to pay €56 million for Arturo Vidal - and include Nani in a player-plus-cash deal - if they want to sign the Chile international, Goal understands.
United are in the market for a central midfielder this summer, with Louis van Gaal a known admirer of Vidal.
But the €56m fee quoted to executive vice chairman Ed Woodward's camp could prove to be too much for the Red Devils after already signing Luke Shaw and Ander Herrera for a combined total in excess of €70m.
Instead, United look likely to turn their attention back to Sporting Lisbon defensive midfielder William Carvalho.
Both Manchester clubs have been monitoring Carvalho for several months and, while he would prove a cheaper option for Van Gaal, the Portugal international would still cost the Red Devils €46m.
Sporting director Augusto Ignacio recently revealed that Carvalho could leave the club but hinted that they would receive a substantial transfer fee for any sale.
"It's not like the old days when players left Sporting at any price," Ignacio told the Portuguese club's official TV channel.
"We are not concerned with William Carvalho because we have alternatives who will want to play as well.
"The termination clause ensures a great deal to Sporting. I am very pleased with the negotiations.
"It is not easy to negotiate for players - you need to be very shrewd - but Sporting have a president who knows how to negotiate with anyone and what is best for the club."
http://www.goal.com/en-za/news/4682/transfer-zone/2014/07/05/4937781/-
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In one ear & out the other, is probably the best way to deal with these reports now..
The Red Devils could turn their attention back to €46m-rated Sporting Lisbon defensive midfielder William Carvalho after being quoted a huge fee by Juventus for the Chilean
By Paul Clennam
Juventus have told Manchester United they will have to pay €56 million for Arturo Vidal - and include Nani in a player-plus-cash deal - if they want to sign the Chile international, Goal understands.
United are in the market for a central midfielder this summer, with Louis van Gaal a known admirer of Vidal.
But the €56m fee quoted to executive vice chairman Ed Woodward's camp could prove to be too much for the Red Devils after already signing Luke Shaw and Ander Herrera for a combined total in excess of €70m.
Instead, United look likely to turn their attention back to Sporting Lisbon defensive midfielder William Carvalho.
Both Manchester clubs have been monitoring Carvalho for several months and, while he would prove a cheaper option for Van Gaal, the Portugal international would still cost the Red Devils €46m.
Sporting director Augusto Ignacio recently revealed that Carvalho could leave the club but hinted that they would receive a substantial transfer fee for any sale.
"It's not like the old days when players left Sporting at any price," Ignacio told the Portuguese club's official TV channel.
"We are not concerned with William Carvalho because we have alternatives who will want to play as well.
"The termination clause ensures a great deal to Sporting. I am very pleased with the negotiations.
"It is not easy to negotiate for players - you need to be very shrewd - but Sporting have a president who knows how to negotiate with anyone and what is best for the club."
http://www.goal.com/en-za/news/4682/transfer-zone/2014/07/05/4937781/-
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In one ear & out the other, is probably the best way to deal with these reports now..
Im sure Evra' s PR skills will help us out if he joins Juve.
The sporting director sounds like Whelan while Martinez was at Wigan, desperately trying to drum up interest to receive as much of a fee as possible while sounding like they'd rather he stayed.
I don't see anything wrong with that kind of optimism after a forgetful season. People forget how dominant we were before Moyes took over. There's still plenty of that mentality in the squad.
The glaring weakness in that side is the Central Defenders. Highlights that fact that this is probably our number one priority now, and I am not talking about Vermaelen!
Sorry to raise this but with Real Madrid being linked with central mids like Kroos, surely it's a matter of time before they are linked with Vidal?
We were far from convincing the season we won the title. There were major flaws then, but they were not exposed like they were under Moyes.
There's no denying that Moyes has to harbour a lot of the blame, but it's still baffling how some completely exempt the players of any critisicm. We do have a quality coach now and We should see a marked improvement in our midfield with Herrera, bu there are still weaknesses.
Top four is the objective for next season, particularly if Herrera and Shaw were the last of our summer business. People who are expectant of a title challenge alongside City and Chelsea are likely to get a reality check soon enough.
Forgot all about Fellaini aswell Fahad - he was an expensive alternative
+It all depends on how much dosh we have to spend this window - if only Ed would tell us eh?
He arrogantly said in a presser last summer whilst on the tour, that we dont have a budget & Moyes can spend what he needs.
We were tryin for Ronnie (upwards of £90m) & Bale (£110m) last summer (one or the other, or both have been reported) & tryin to get Fabregas, Baines & Fellaini too - thats a serious amount.
So is that Bale/Ronnie money being carried onto this window & added to this summers budget, is the mystery question?
As regards to Carvalho & waiting til next summer, he could sign a new deal before then & have his buy-out clause increased even more. If we're interested in him - get him now since he's available to us at the quoted price.
I'm havin my doubts now that Vidal is possible to be honest - its kinda too good to be true, but we all gotta dream i guess..
I don't think they are trying to buy all the center mids. The more they are linked with Kroos the better, as far as I'm concerned. The only worry would be if Bayern become interested in Vidal as a replacement. That seems very unlikely though, as except for both being center mids, they are completely different in play styles.
Barca are distracted with the Suarez transfer, which will surely be so costly that they can't afford a second big name signing in one window.
I think rival PL teams, or the likes of PSG, will be the most likely competition for his signature if he does leave.
I agree with everything said in your post and top Four is the promised land imo. We've had so much success in my lifetime I would be a selfish Barstuard to expect it al the time. I blame Sir Alex.
A rejuvenated squad with quality additions could make the difference. Van Gaal is renowned for have a slow start whilst the team adapt, but finish strongly.
You serious? Feck that.They were talking about 30M EUR for De Jong
Express are saying Juve want £40m for Vidal and that we're preparing a bid. Probably bollocks but thought the Express were a step above the Mail/Sun etc.
Yeah totally.
I wonder what Juve fans feel about all of this though. They must be really pissed-off about losing Vidal & the fact they're gonna make the team weaker & not building upon it. If they kept the same team & got Sanchez - they'd move up a level for sure..
It all depends on the quality of additions really. Signing Vidal and a reliable defender - I don't consider Vermaelen that - could elevate us to another level and perhaps we might see a sustained title challenge. We have plenty of individual quality and we've already gone a long way to addressing our main weaknesses that should see us compete for top four with our current squad, an additional midfielder and defender might consolidate our place in the top four.I agree with everything said in your post and top Four is the promised land imo. We've had so much success in my lifetime I would be a selfish Barstuard to expect it al the time. I blame Sir Alex.
A rejuvenated squad with quality additions could make the difference. Van Gaal is renowned for have a slow start whilst the team adapt, but finish strongly.
Personally, I think you can break it down to two categories for signings that are needed. Firstly, critical signings and secondly, ones where issues might arise further down the line.
I'd say critical areas this summer are signing two central midfielders, a centre back and a left back. We've already signed Herrera and Shaw, so that's two positions addressed, but another central midfielder is absolutely essential still given how poor our midfield was last season and due to the injury records and question marks over Evans, Smalling and Jones, an experienced centre back is needed.
For the less important areas to address. We will need a winger/wide forward at some point, but I think that could wait a transfer window. All of our current wingers - Januzaj aside - are useless for one reason or another, but we don't neccesarily need to play with two wingers and our quality in attacking positions is still immense. A right back would be the second one, but Rafael is still a very good player and LVG might look within the U21's with Janko and Varela capable of making the step-up.
We don't need that many. Signing three midfielders would have implications on more than just one of our current batch leaving. I wouldn't be opposed to it, but it would probably see one or possibly both of Cleverley and Fletcher leave also.How much would De Jong Cost? If reports about Felliani are true I hope we get De Jong and Vidal also. Our Midfield Would be complete.
Herrera
Carrick
Vidal
De Jong
Cleverley
Fletcher
It was a typo from the paper, De Jong was supposedly around 6m and some other target (Carvalho maybe, can't remember) was the 30m one.
From what i've seen recently from the Express - they're just as bad & worse if you consider their supposed quality journalism. Atleast you know what you're gettin from the Sun etc..
Here's an article they published regarding Vidic - they've twisted what he actually said to get a headline & left out the important bit:
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/foot...-should-have-left-Man-Utd-for-Italy-YEARS-ago
I've seen the presser & he said he had an offer to come to Serie A way before coming to United, but it didnt happen in the end..
I'm just speaking out loud man & not directing this post at you. Just venting my frustrations on some key issues
Agree with the high-lighted bits!
We won games because they werent top 6 teams - bar Arsenal at OT. We only won 6pts from the top 6 last season - thats 6pts out of 36pts possible. Thats very worrying!
If Pool, Everton & City can all do the double over us, for the 1st time in the same season (whooped our arses while they were at it too) - then there's some serious problems with the team / squad & the way the team was set-up throughout the season. Its alot more than just Moyes' fault too. We were far from vintage the previous title-winning season & City & Chelsea were in disarray most of the season - we were settled & had no manager or player unrest either!
Its takin some risk to think Van Gaal will makes us Champions with the same squad as last season, with only addin one or two players..
Fergie said (from many reports) that the team he left Moyes needed serious upgrading; the board have said that aswell; MUTV have also said it; Robbo's said it; every ex-player with links to the club has said it; every football pundit has said it; opposition fans say it; opposition managers have said it - yet many United fans still think we can challenge for the title with a new manager & only 2 or 3 new players in aswell..
Thats the same delusions we've become so accustomed to of Liverpool fans, over the last 20 odd years:
"This is our year.." lads
Ok and I agree that the squad needed revamping over the last couple of seasons, but not over the last 5/6 or 7/8 years.
At the end of last season I said we needed two CM players and CB and a LB , we have Shaw, we have Herrera, Vidal I want and a decent experienced CB now Vidic and Rio have gone who will also help bring through the other 3 and base it all on a settled defence which we haven't had for various reason but mainly injuries.
We have needed a CM to replace Scholes, Carrick had a really poor season last season in contrast to the season before - how much this is down to personal drop in form or due to the tactics employed or both is open to debate.
As time has gone on since the SAF's retirement it became clear that Moyes was a big mistake, the tactics were wrong, he lost the dressing room and the players didn't perform. We start again but a team that wins the PL by 11 points does not become a no-hoper overnight.
Mata imo will prove to be a great signing, always wanted him when he was at Chelsea, Shaw I wanted, pleased with Herrera. Vidal is the one I really want most. If we can sign a good CB like Hummels then we are back in the hunt. Bonus but unlikely signing for me would be Reus/Sanchez.
This won't happen lads. Don't think Vidal wants to leave and I also don't think Juve need to sell. He'll stay.
Van Gaal says he's aiming to win the title in his 1st season - he's gonna need a bigger boat i.e. top-class players in...
They were talking about 30M EUR for De Jong
No they weren't. That number was a typo on the Mail online which was rectified in minutes.
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