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Arturo Vidal
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Yeah mate. Thanks for the inside knowledge.
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It does feel like the annual pipe dream transfer
Different circumstances.
We actually have a manager that will sanction such big money moves. First Summer in ages I've felt confident we can pull it off.
I really hope you are right.
Just feels very different to normal Transfer Windows. We spoke a big game before the Summer began and we've spent 60m odd on two players. We have one of the best Managers in the world, if he says we need a player, Glazers and Woody will listen. I just think nows the time to invest massively on new players to secure the future of United. The Glazers aren't fools they know the squad needs major investment.
LvG himself has imo helped add extra buzz to United. He's showing himself to be a brilliant Manager in the World Cup and that can only help with player recruiting. We're still one of the biggest clubs in Europe and with LvG at the helm we're starting a new era at United and I can't help but think all these factors make us a very exciting prospect for players to go for. Being out of Europe for one season isn't going to be an issue either imo.
So yeah, it's very much on for me. Question is, does LvG really want him? I'm ignoring all paper talk until we have a confirmed bid as I really think the Media haven't got a scoobies who we're after this Summer.
A bit obvious this - it really depends who Madrid and Barca/Bayern wants. If they are not in for Vidal we have a chance. I am sure we can offer top dollars to the player and club - it's just playing in sunny Spain is sometimes big issue.
It's not so much having a manager who will sanction it, I actually don't think Van Gaal will have any input in transfer fees.
He gives Woody the list of players he would like. The Glazers give Woody a transfer budget. The rest is up to Woody. And, judging by the fees we've splashed out so far and the number of different positions we know we're targeting, it's a fair assumption that it's a huge budget.
Removing the manager as an input into transfer deals can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned. It held us back with SAF and it's held Arsenal back a huge amount with Wenger.
He gives Woody the list of players he would like. The Glazers give Woody a transfer budget. The rest is up to Woody. And, judging by the fees we've splashed out so far and the number of different positions we know we're targeting, it's a fair assumption that it's a huge budget.
Removing the manager as an input into transfer deals can only be a good thing as far as I'm concerned. It held us back with SAF and it's held Arsenal back a huge amount with Wenger.
We don't have a budget, if we want a player we go for him, Van Gaal said something similar in some interview as well
Robben and Thiago weren't wanted by their old clubs. Ribery looked decent but wasn't a star. Martinez is perhaps an exception bit he was hardly an established player in his prime.
United's involvement should make it hard for Bayern. They are unlikely to match wages United could offer - the evidence for that being Kroos, who it seems was interested in a move given how much more he could earn. Are Bayern likely to blow apart their wage structure for him? I don't see it. And he isn't a Pep style player anyway.
The same goes for other clubs. Barca seem to need to sell Sanchez to buy Suarez - are they likely to have another £50 million floating around and money to match a big wage offer, and Madrid seem to want Kroos.
As it is, if United are interested and prepared to pay mega bucks for him we'd have a great chance.
Ribery was a star. He was one of the best players at the World Cup in 2006 and Real Madrid wanted him.
You just hope he is the statement signing that we are apparently so desperate to make (rather than Cavani), and we go all in for him, if we get knocked back then there would be no embarrassment in it.
Surprised so many still have the attitude that this is a non starter. Personally I see very few reasons why Vidal wouldn't be a realistic target. He's of a similar level and status to Kroos, who has recently been the subject of numerous reports by reliable sources that we could have had him if we pursued Moyes' groundwork.
The lack of CL football argument is the only real legitimate argument, which will obviously make us less attractive, but certainly doesn't make it a non-starter like some are suggesting. Since when do players join a club only looking as far as one season ahead? Surely those same people would agree that we stand just as much chance of qualifying for CL for the 2015/16 season as any other club, so he's only got to be happy with one season out and convinced that that's the case. The extra money would could throw his way compared to rival clubs, should be enough to compensate for this.
The lack of CL football argument is the only real legitimate argument, which will obviously make us less attractive, but certainly doesn't make it a non-starter like some are suggesting. Since when do players join a club only looking as far as one season ahead? Surely those same people would agree that we stand just as much chance of qualifying for CL for the 2015/16 season as any other club, so he's only got to be happy with one season out and convinced that that's the case. The extra money would could throw his way compared to rival clubs, should be enough to compensate for this.
I'm sure he's a realistic target - obviously the fee and wages will dictate how far this goes.
Agreed, but some clearly don't even think he's realistic. We haven't dropped that far in one season.
I'm sure professional footballers can see that in the grand scheme of things, last season was just a blip. The season after, the season after, SAF retired, was always going to be much easier.
I also think this added to the difficulties in attracting some players last summer. There was just too much uncertainty in how we would cope with life after SAF. The lack of prestige that went with Moyes' added to this uncertainty. Things are already clearly very different this summer with a big name manager, Woodward with a point to prove, and the Glazers' with an investment to protect.
If Real Madrid really wanted him, I'm surprised he went to Bayern.
The manager still needs to be involved - the budget and list of players won't match up so he needs to prioritise. Eg Woody would effectively be in a position where he could afford 3 of 5 players who are interested, from an initial list of 10. Why would it be anybody's job but LVG's to decide which 3?
Completely agree - added to the tactical naivety last season. Adding Vidal and a decent CB - definitely challenging for the title next season .
Liverpool in CL next season - probably the only one in the foreseeable future especially if Suarez goes
He's not a realistic target and wouldn't be even if we were in the Champions League/if we were champions last season so it's not just about what happened last year.
We don't very often go to bid for the biggest, best players in the game so it's a turn up for the books. SAF never did it and we never had a hope under Moyes.
Plus the fact he'd fix us and be a huge asset and we never, ever seem to sign the player that would do that for us. Hence why we've ended up in such a mess midfield wise to begin with.
I suppose under LVG it's all change though and like you and the others have said, every big transfer seems a bit more likely under him with a big budget.
Not quite sure what you're getting at. The rest of your post seems to contradict your opening sentence?
Or at least that's how I read it. You're right we rarely went for big names under SAF, but we know Moyes was after big names so no reason LVG wouldn't be too. Especially because, as you say, we have a midfield problem that needs solving and needs solving immediately.
SAF always planned way ahead, but for one reason or another that hasn't seemed to come together in our center mid. Perhaps LVG sees it as problem solved now we have Herrera, but it's hard to believe this.
I didn't mean to contradict. In my opnion I don't think we've got a hope in hell of signing him, but I can understand why people might think we do.
£12m reject, Exception, Buyout clause, Mangers influence.
I'd still disagree. But you can flip either way.
I can't imagine him coming here at the moment to be brutally honest, he's in his prime and is amongst the top players in the World, we are very far from our prime and don't have any of the top players in the world.
Just being linked with big players is good for morale though, it keeps our more sensitive fans happy that we appear to still be relevant on the big club scene.
I'm pretty sure Bayern already made a €55 mil bid for Vidal and it was rejected. At least that's what my Juve friends told me a while ago.
I don't think any of our players would get in a World Xi, do you?
Rooney, Van Persie, Mata and De Gea are prob between top 25-50.
How many of Barcelona's players bar Messi would get into the World XI based off last year's performances ? Or Chelsea's ? Or City's ? Arsenal's ?
It's not always like that. Players don't go to clubs only to be surrounded by World XI calibre players. And the likes of RVP, Rooney, Mata, De Gea are among the best at their positions. United can offer the prestige, tradition, great facilities, a brilliant manager and money. What more can a player ask for ?
I don't think we're competing with any of the above mentioned teams for Vidal, I believe we're competing with Real Madrid who won the Champions League and have several genuinely world class players. A less ambitious player might choose us rather than compete with Modric, Khedira for a 1st team spot but I don't think that sounds like Vidal at all.
Fair enough mate. Real is the exception to the rule and such a scenario is partially plausible. But I don't think a player choosing United over them means he lacks ambition. Who knows maybe Vidal thinks it's a bigger challenge to resurrect a temporarily fallen giant than join Real's all star collection and steamroller over the others. We can't possibly fathom what he might decide in the end. But I don't think it's fair to make blanket statements that every ambitious player would choose Real over us. It's not reflective to United's stature in the game.
You're a terrible poster. We'd be better just sticking to trying to sign players from MLS, eh?
What a poor statement. Especially considering how low morale was last season after repeatedly missing out on our top targets. I don't know if we're in for Vidal, but I would think, if we are, it's because Woodward and the board are confident they can get a deal done.
Yeah he is really shite poster.
Either that or a WUM. Reckons we should sign Dirk Kuyt and Michael Bradley.
I'm sure thermae people saying Its impossible are the ones who said RVP/Mata were too?
Let's sign Bradley and turn into a mid table team.
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