Those asking if you could play two box to box midfielders, I give you Ince/Keane. One of our most dominant midfields.
Arturo Vidal
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Clev, Ando and Fletcher can leave if they have to make room for VidalDo not want, where would he play? United have Carrick for pivot, Herrera for box to box shenanigans and Fellaini to protect those two. Also there's Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson for rotation.
Where are you getting this information from?
Oh wait, forgot who I was replying to.
Though Ferguson told Ince to sit, he wouldnt and so he was sold. Not sure what that proves, other than it shows SAF was nervous about how two midfielders like that would operate together and tried to reign one of them in.
that's like saying you'd rather hold on to your old, broken Lada that can no longer function and just sits there wasting space in your drive than get a brand new Ferrari.Do not want, where would he play? United have Carrick for pivot, Herrera for box to box shenanigans and Fellaini to protect those two. Also there's Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson for rotation.
Do not want, where would he play? United have Carrick for pivot, Herrera for box to box shenanigans and Fellaini to protect those two. Also there's Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson for rotation.
You appear to have mislaid your white text, my good man.
I noticed a comment earlier regarding Vidal not having the defensive positional sense of Carrick. I won't claim to be an expert on Vidal but, from what I've seen he always seems to be in the right place at the right time defensively. Add to that his strength, control and tenacity and he's a much better defensive midfielder whilst also having the engine and turn of pace to pose much greater attacking threat also.
I've not seen anything to suggest he has anywhere near Carrick's range of passing though.
Carrick is 33, Fellaini isn't a guarentee and Herrera needs to settle. A genuine world class talent like Vidal is a must. I'm sick of watching our midfield rot just because players aren't Keane or Scholes. They mightn't be, but they're still better than our current options.
With the purchase of Herrera and us going after Vidal it's showing that LvG is going after a different playing style in midfield too. Which is a big plus for me. I've hated how our central midfielders have played football for ages. If we did get Vidal and Herrera then teams will stop playing it through the middle knowing that these two will tackle the feckers down. We'll actually have a strong presence in the middle again. Which will only help our defence. So all big positives for me.
I log onto these transfer threads just to read what SolidState says 
I wish I had his mind
I wish I had his mind
Agreed. Herrera and Vidal would run teams, no one is going to enjoy playing against them. LVG most likely wants high energy midfielders who will press the opposition and join the the attacks when we have the ball.
Do not want, where would he play? United have Carrick for pivot, Herrera for box to box shenanigans and Fellaini to protect those two. Also there's Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson for rotation.
What exactly did Fellaini protect last summer?
I remember he was going to deck a Fulham player when he stood on Adnan.
Exactly. They're both dynamic players who can thread balls through the middle and produce key passes. Yeah we might not have as much possession as before, but we'll be far more decisive when we do have the ball and we'll also look much stronger in the middle. It also harms no one that both Vidal and Herrera can score goals, I think it'd be a beastly partnership.
His Barnet
Wish he had done that. Would have left me with at least one good memory of him in a United shirt.
The fact you use the term 'pivot' tells me you read way to many statistics, have way to many uncommon football shirts, maybe a Besiktas 3rd away strip in your wardrobe and not to take this post seriously.Do not want, where would he play? United have Carrick for pivot, Herrera for box to box shenanigans and Fellaini to protect those two. Also there's Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson for rotation.
I do not want lololol
What?
Vidal has a very good scoring record indeed with 10 goals+ in serie A for the last 3 seasons
Herrera on the other hand has never scored more than two league goals in a season and infact only has 4 league goals in the last 3 years which is the same as carrick so unless you are going to class carrick as a goal threat its probably a bit of a stretch to put that as one of herrera's plus points
Way too much smoke for this, we will almost definitely bid.
He scored five last year.
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to show intention of that joke. However, this would be better smiley .His hair.
I don't remember that. The way I remember it was, that Fergie thought the youngsters were looking up to Ince as the self-proclaimed "Governer".
That is where the "Big-time Charlie" thing came from.
Its how he describes it in Managing My Life. (Though I read that book 14 years ago now so maybe its me remembering it wrong.)
Herrera scored 5 goals last season!
Granted before 13/14 his goal scoring record was poor. It'll be interesting to see how he does at United. Herrera scored 3 goals in his last 5 starts for Bilbao. So perhaps he's starting to find another gear.
Fair enough. I haven't read it.
Ince certainly got forward enough.
First Herrera scored 5 last year and second most of Vidal's goals are from penalties. I am not saying Vidal is not better, but these are the facts.
Yup, dynamic describes it perfectly, it's something we haven't had for years. I don't get why people are saying that we have to buy a DM to play alongside Herrera, I'm with you, Vidal would be perfect with Herrera. Make it happen Woody!
Yeah, I looked into this and that actually isn't accurate.
Vidal 13/14:
CL: 5 goals, 4 from pens.
Europa League: 2 goals, 0 from pens.
Serie A: 11 goals, 2 from pens.
Total: 18 goals, 6 from pens.
I've tried a vidal-herrera partnership on fifa and it works very well. In fact I even did a vidal-strootman partnership and it was equally good. Buy all of them!
I have never said we shouldnt be prepared to spend big - hence why i commented about Shaw, and hence why I never objected at all when spending £37m on Mata. My concern is quite simply that the balance at the moment strikes me as a bit off if we are spending another £50m already. The team definitely needed investment but I didn't want to see us just throwing huge amounts of money at every problem.
I'm happy for us to be potentially signing Vidal, my objection in my first post was simply price.
Aren't carrick, fletcher, anderson and cleverley on the last year of their contracts?
Seems were listening to offers for fallaini too.
Seems a lot, if not all of the current crop could be gone in a years time.
Buying 4 midfielders isn't that far fetched if you look at it that way.
Seems were listening to offers for fallaini too.
Seems a lot, if not all of the current crop could be gone in a years time.
Buying 4 midfielders isn't that far fetched if you look at it that way.
Yep, they are, will be interesting to see who gets a contract extension.
You mean Felling?
He should be in the infirmary, not you!I log onto these transfer threads just to read what SolidState says
I wish I had his mind
Because he is a penalty taker.
Edit: Sorry i was wrong
Must be a shit penalty taker, he scored none!
Bah, damn your edit! XD
The "balance" of what?
We've just had an extended period of success and have lost (and are likely to lose a few more) experienced players. We have lost over the previous 5 plus years other players who have simply never been repalced. It would be great if we had people in the squad capable of filling those gaps, but we evidently don't. Nor do we have three or four first class young players coming through in key positions, who are ready for the job.
The club have under invested for years - and its one of the major reasons we under achieved last season. They are spendingbig because they need to, its that simple. Moyes knew it, and LVG knows it - the squad as is is not good enough to complete.
In terms of fees it would be great to uncover umpteen diamonds for small change who becoem world class. The reality is, every club wants to do that. We need quality players now and quality costs. Its that simple. And the future of football is big money deals, like it or not. We cannot afford to be left behind - as the club evidently recognises.
Can we have a drink for this man. NAIL ON THE HEAD.
I imagine he looks like T-Bag from Prison Break- Status