Playing the same position doesn't mean they have the same style.
Arturo Vidal
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Agreed. But what's the difference between them? Is Herrera more attacking and Vidal more defensive?
Right now, Vidal is better at both attacking and defending.
The transfer of David Luiz for 50 mil ridiculous. I have a theory.
Chelsea need a large influx of cash to help meet FFP criteria. Heres the conversation between the clubs;
PSG; We would like to pay you 40 million for Hazard
Chelsea; No, 80 million minimum
PSG; Please, we arent allowed to pay that due to FFP 60 million then
Chelsea; No but heres an idea... We value David Luiz at 20 million.
PSG; So what?
Chelsea; Offer us 50 million for David Luiz and we will let you sign Hazard next season for another 50 million
PSG; Je suis, i like. OK done
PSG are happy, they eventually get the player they want, without going over the FFP
Chelsea are happy, they get 100 million for a player that Moureen doesnt like in Luiz and receive more than double what they payed for Hazard. Whilst adding 50 million into each of the next 2 years transfer kitty.
Hazard will sign for PSG next summer. Slam a bet on it.
Very similar players, Vidal has much more of an engine on him and tends to get into goal scoring positions more than Herrera, he also has leadership qualities. Tends to be stronger in general than Herrera and not as fussed with the step-overs. Seems to be more intelligent in terms of position and passing ability. Not to mention he is great in the air and has a brilliant finish on him. Imagine a younger, better, more attacking Micheal Carrick.
That would work fine until Abramovich denies ever having had that conversation.
I'd say Herrera is your more technical player, very creative. Vidal is your jack of all trades, box to box player.
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Vidal is a force of nature, that's what he is.
haha true but my point is that the sale of Luiz has something to do with a future transfer of Hazard and FFP. Im sure of it
How do they get 100 million for Luiz here?
What is promising about this potential transfer is it is more likely to happen sooner rather than later as Juve will want to buy other players with the money they get from Vidal.
Im going to go out on a limb here, I think well place an official bid in the next couple of days, it will be rejected, then we will go in with a balls to the wall bid, exactly what they want and I can see us having agreed a fee and a deal by next Friday with him signing and being revealed in two weeks from now.
Im going to go out on a limb here, I think well place an official bid in the next couple of days, it will be rejected, then we will go in with a balls to the wall bid, exactly what they want and I can see us having agreed a fee and a deal by next Friday with him signing and being revealed in two weeks from now.
We should have spent it all on referees, like they did. At least Fergie would've won another CL in his last season with us.
Neither, they're pretty similar. Both love to tackle, both like to be creative and pass the ball forwards. It'd be a different playing style that we're used to at United. Our midfielders for a long, long time have been about intercepting the ball and playing lots of passes. With Herrera and Vidal we'd be seeing a strong, competitive midfielder partnership who are eager to control the game through their tackling and fast paced decisive passing.
I've been hearing a lot of people say they won't play well together. I think the opposite, they compliment one another brilliantly because they're so similar, both old fashioned box to box players. Who are full of energy and like to both defend and attack. It's why I think our interest in Kroos was dropped, he doesn't fit this criteria. So if for example we played with a midfield partnership of Kroos and Herrera. If Herrera pushed forward the opposition would know that they could break through the centre of the pitch because Kroos doesn't tackle very well. However, if you partner Herrera with Vidal then either player can push forward knowing that the other will be an obstacle in the way of the opposition.
It's the main weakness' with our current squad of midfielders, they're all rubbish at tackling except Fellaini who's equally rubbish at decisive passing.
You could say Herrera is a box to box perhaps(?), can attack and defend well, though when attacking he seems to have a more playmaking approach than getting on the end of things, like you expect from box to box players.
Vidal is like a box to box+, the complete midfielder.
Vidal is like a box to box+, the complete midfielder.
Carrick is flattered.
Can we pay an extra tenner a month to get him in HD as well ?
They dont, The valuation of Luiz is 20 mil, Hazard 80 mil. PSG cant give Chelsea 80 million in one go (FFP) Chelsea suggest they Buy Luiz (rated at 20) for 50 mil, then offer 50 mil again next summer for Hazard - Loop hole in the FFP
Yeah but you've said they get 100 million for a player Mourinho doesn't like in Luiz. Just a typo I guess.
nah... they want pogba along with a big welcome back to manchester poster
how does that get round ffp... they will still have spent 100m?
I have now decided to firmly BELIEVE™
Based on what? I wanna join.
I don't see how this makes any sense. FFP looks on the last 3 years so it'll still be 100m within 12 months or so.
Naw, it's 100% HD f*cking awesome included in the base price.
Vidal has George Best/Maradona/Cruyff/Zidane status on here... he is good, great even, but the descriptions of him on here are so over the top it's like he is the best footballer ever or something...
How would you compare him to Fellaini?
Chelsea will have someone off of them going the other way.
Doing Carrick a disservice there. Vidal wont have Carricks passing range or defensive positioning. PLEASE don't kill me guys, im just saying whilst Vidal may be a better player those 2 things Carrick is better than him at.
*Ducks for cover*
I like Carrick, but he's nowhere near Vidal, not quality-wise, nor the same playing-style.
I wonder what happens to Cleverley, Fellaini and Fletcher should we sign more midfielders. Sometimes a squad is too big.
And there's still Anderson!
oh right. sorry.
GUYS IGNORE MY THEORY ITS BOLLOX.
Maybe Abramovic recieved an offer of 20 mil and gave 30 mil cash in hand to PSG and told them to bid 50 mil.
Im just a bit sceptical
If we do sign Vidal, i can see Fletcher Anderson and Cleverley/Fellaini leaving
Indeed. I've seen someone say "we shouldnt buy player x for this much because then we wont be able to afford a centre back" - as if the club have no idea what their budget is or how much money is in the bank. Bizarre.
People need to wise up.
We had the benefit of a generation of brilliant players in Giggs, Beckham, Scoles and the rest. This formed the basis of a side which dominated, when other sides in the league coundnt redress the balance by attracting the world's best, who largely went to Italy. That generation carried the club for a decade, along with some big money, and other shrewd signings. Had we not hadthose players, doubtless Fergie would have spent a shed load more in accruing a squad of players capable of acheiving great things.
The influx of money into the PL means other sides can now buy the worlds best. This romantic myth that United can do it without "spending big" is garbage. Inexplicably, despite the club being able to compete financially with the other big clubs, some fans seem to want the club to produce champagne football on a lemonade budget. If you do that you end up with a side like Arsenal - trying to do it "the right way" (whatever that is) and falling short consistently. Even Arsene now recognises he needs quality, hence the Ozil deal and probably more to follow.
If United want to compete in the PL and in Europe, then buying top players is neccessary. Nobody is saying the club should fill the team with foreign supertars or scrap the youth team. A balance needs to exist.
He's a superb midfielder. I think it's justified, I'm very strict when it comes to the term World Class, but he certainly is a World Class CM. He's a machine for Juve, just a shame we haven't seen his best at the World Cup.
It'll be interesting to see who LvG does decide to get rid of, it might come down to the case of who has offers and who doesn't!
Do not want, where would he play? United have Carrick for pivot, Herrera for box to box shenanigans and Fellaini to protect those two. Also there's Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson for rotation.
If/when he gets around to watching some games from last season, I'd say he'd be getting rid of them all if he could. Thank feck we've signed a good midfielder.
Do not want, where would he play? United have Carrick for pivot, Herrera for box to box shenanigans and Fellaini to protect those two. Also there's Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson for rotation.
Carrick is 33
Anderson is Anderson
Fletcher may never reach a level whereby he can be relied on to "cover" much as I want him too.
It would be a smart signing, perfect age to be able to transition in Pearson and Rothwell should they kick on.
Do not want, where would he play? United have Carrick for pivot, Herrera for box to box shenanigans and Fellaini to protect those two. Also there's Fletcher, Cleverley and Anderson for rotation.
Drop Carrick. Play Herrera and Vidal together with Mata ahead of them.
Throw the rest on the bench/transfer market.
Is Tuttosport reliable? They're saying that we the club who has shown the most interest in Vidal so far and that the club has held talks with his agent and Juve. Juve are now awaiting a bid from us. Here's the story.
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