I wouldn't say that's correct. In the Fernandinho/Toure partnership it is nearly always Fernandinho covering for Toure's surging runs and reluctance to defend at times.
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You'd rather have whoever than Rooney? Poor Wazza
But both Vidal and Herrera are doing much more defensively than Toure. And they certainly can do (Vidal at least) what Fernandino does for City - he isn't really a classical holding midfielder himself.
It wasn't enough for City in Europe though
They are both more defensively astute and responsible players than Toure I agree, but I was just noting that Toure and Fernandinho seldom alternate between the attack-minded and defensive-minded in midfield. I do think Herrera and Vidal can alternate role during a game and cover each others runs, but it's not really extracting the best from Vidal.
That's actually a really good solution for our current player personnel. We don't quite have the top notch wingers for constantly playing a 4-2-3-1/ 4-5-1 while having and an abundance of No. 10s. A 4-1-2-1-2 diamond formation ala Ancelotti at Milan/ Chelsea could be quite effective and wouls suit our best players with Rooney, RVP staying wide-ish like RVP and Robben for Holland to avoid opposition overload on the flanks, Mata in the Kaka/ Ballack position and Carrick in the Pirlo role. Januzaj, Kagawa, Welbeck as depth for the forward 3.
-------------------------De Gea-------------------------
Rafael----------Jones----------Hummels/ Evans------Shaw
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--------Vidal--------------------------------Ander--------
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--------RVP--------------------------------Rooney-------
Yeah, it's the other alternative to three at the back. Replace Carrick with Strootman in January and the midfield would be set.
One of the worst? Well, maybe one of the poorer midfields in the top tier of European football.
Carrick is more than equipped to do that role. I know he had a poor season last season by his own standards, but he was one of our best players in the seasons previous. A midfield three of Carrick, Herrera and Vidal for European away games and games against the top teams would be pretty formidable in my opinion.
Steady on, we aren't there yet.
Yep, I'm a big fan of his but I can't really say right now - is this his legs or just Moyes-effect. Still, with this two engines they can "replicate" Juventus's DM-CM-CM with Carrick in Pirlo role - of course he can't dictate the play like Pirlo but he is much better defensively.
Anyway it would be exciting times for us. But I can't believe that we would sign him, sadly
Yeah pretty much mate.
Although TBH I'd prefer his club mate Pjanic who has world class passing ability. A midfield of Ander, Strootman, Vidal would be overkill in terms of physical dominance but not enough playmaking threat from the deep. Pjanic would be ideal IMO given his qualities although we haven't really been linked with him that much so I have less hope of it materialising.
You'd rather have whoever than Rooney? Poor Wazza
If Wazza played well on the left wing I'd be quite happy to have him.
Neither am I convinced we can get enough midfield support from Rooney to play him behind the striker and beat the best teams.
Of course for most games he's be fine, perhaps we'll push Mata out there.
Hopefully it will be 433.
The latter.
That we haven't signed him or that we're not going to be playing European games?
Vidal is only a matter of time of course.
I think it was a number of things for Carrick to be honest. It could have been the Moyes effect, but I think it was that he was trying to do too much as we hadn't any quality with him in midfield and then his form suffered. When his form suffered his confidence took a knock, as did the majority of our players' confidence. It's no coincidence that so many of our players suffered prolonged periods of poor form at the same time.
The latter.
Vidal is only a matter of time of course.
Of course. And with our new midfield, the European games will only be a season away!
Totally agree.
People are, for example fretting about Bayern coming in for Vidal. Of course a club that size is a threat, but we could seemingly have had Kroos earlier in the summer with a massive wage offer, when he probably had no intention to leave originally. The size if the offer obviously had him thinking.
In light if that its fair to assume we could blow them out of the water for Vidal. It might not be enough but the reality is players will move if the deal is right - and we can offer everything else that comes with being at United including the chance to win things.
Yet Carrick will be/or is 33, and IF we make it back into Europe next season he'll be 34. Imo he needs replacing this summer. Id go a midfield 3 of Vidal, Herrera and Mata. Mata being the furthest forward. Vidal destroying, Herrera supplying Mata and the wingbacks.
What am I on about we won't even sign Vidal
I feel confident that we can pull this off. It's just not clear yet whether we are trying to or not. It just seems strikingly logical though.
The next step for Vidal is a team that can challenge for the CL every season, cant see him going to United as it's a project with Van Gaal and it will take time before Man United will be challenging for the CL every season.
I think there are only 3 clubs he would look at right now if he could pick, Madrid, Barca and Bayern.
I think there are only 3 clubs he would look at right now if he could pick, Madrid, Barca and Bayern.
Pffft, he should aim to win the prestigious PL title first. He can win the Champions league the following season
PSG's Rabiot is being linked alot with Juventus in the Italian media, with him wanting more first team football. Which could suggest one of Pogba or Vidal leaving.
Was just going to mention the Rabiot link. Of course, he will probably turn out to be amazing for Juve within a year and we'd be wondering if we shouldn't have just gotten him instead!
Needless to say Vidal would be a perfect signing though, and would make a statement off the pitch too.
-Valencia--Vidal/Cleverley--Herrera--Young-
Needless to say Vidal would be a perfect signing though, and would make a statement off the pitch too.
-Valencia--Vidal/Cleverley--Herrera--Young-
If we had to pick one of Vidal and Sanchez I'd pick Vidal because midfield is more crucial over the long haul and we have better attackers than midfielders.
If we get both then I might melt into a puddle.
If we get both then I might melt into a puddle.
I don't think the gap is as big as may appear tbh. I've been giving it a lot of thought recently, and I must say that I am concerned with us offensively. Rooney's spot needs to go to a fast, skilful goalscoring option I think. Otherwise my fear is that we have too many one paced players, all wanting to come to the ball, no runners.
We will be better with a better midfield, although I think we will struggle for goals or to score freely at least. Mata, Rooney, Persie - crying out for a Sanchez, Robben, Pedro type I think. I'd even prefer Welbeck to Rooney for this reason even if we bought nobody in attack.
Was just going to mention the Rabiot link. Of course, he will probably turn out to be amazing for Juve within a year and we'd be wondering if we shouldn't have just gotten him instead!
Needless to say Vidal would be a perfect signing though, and would make a statement off the pitch too.
-Valencia--Vidal/Cleverley--Herrera--Young-
That ruins everything.
It was a joke, only inserted to confirm the actual headline joke of implying some sort of selection dilemma between Vidal and Cleverley.
Apparently Juve want at least 45 mil for Vidal....seems a bit much.
Not really, for arguably the best midfielder in the world
We should bite their hands off if they're asking for €45m (£36m)
I certainly agree we could put a speedster to good use, I'd stop just short of saying we need one but I agree that someone with great speed and dribbling would be of great use to a team that will likely feature player without great speed.
Hernandez and Zaha are our speedsters but Hernandez is behind 3 other strikers and Zaha has a kick-and-run style that isn't effective at the top level and needs a lot of improvement to hope to be a regular for us.
We could use a 3 man midfield to make up for a lack of overwhelming quality in central midfield but there's no way to make up for a lack of a lightning fast dribbler like Sanchez.
I think players like Rooney and Mata do benefit from willing runners, as much as it's in fashion to stick playmakers in every position you still need someone to eat up yards out wide.
It will surely be a solid £50m to make this happen
I think it's £45m. I wonder if there is any change of offering Nani as a makeweight?
Pay whatever they want, lets all buy a Vidal shirt from megastore once it's completed so we are considered the ones buying him
Surely he cannot be that. He only plays in a poor Italian league and has impressed in the World Cup amongst others. Then again I don't watch Juventus atall, what makes you think he's the best?
It's hard to label someone the best but I think what Vidal has that a lot don't, is everything. There are not many natural centre midfielders these days. They are either defensive midfielders or 10's. Vidal is just an old fashioned box to box midfielder and out of the very few who can do both sides of the game like he does, he probably just tops that list.
I looked through the twitter thread and a few pages in this one, what's the excitement based on?
http://www.espnfc.us/story/1923330/...nds-for-manchester-united-target-arturo-vidalI looked through the twitter thread and a few pages in this one, what's the excitement based on?
There are some articles saying we are his first choice if he leaves but who knows if there's any truth to that.
Twitter.I looked through the twitter thread and a few pages in this one, what's the excitement based on?
Are you joking mate??????????
Woodward should just buy him for that price!!!!!!!!
Then i would feckin drive to Torino, drive Vidal to Manchester and buy him a hooker in every country we are driving through
I wouldn't flinch at paying that. I'd also get in De Jong on the cheap. If we're sorting out the midfield this summer then it best be done properly.
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