Yeah he is. Are you actually from Ruabon....
Arturo Vidal
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Yeah he is. Are you actually from Ruabon....
For both Chile and Juve Vidal plays in a 3-5-2. The two systems are slightly different variations however and his role in each is different as well.
Most 3-5-2's tend to be like this (including Chile)
----- CM --- CM -----
--------- AM --------
Juve play it like this,
------- DM -------
--- CM --- CM ---
For the Juve system, he plays as one of the CM's ahead of Pirlo in a playmaking DM role - Pogba is the other. For Chile he actually plays as the most advanced midfielder, so the AM in that formation above. For United we would play the more typical variant i.e. the Chile one. However Vidal's role would be different if we were to play a 3-5-2, instead of being the AM in that picture above he would be one of the CM's behind Mata.
----- CM ---- CM -----
--------- AM -------
--- Vidal -- Herrera --
------- Mata ------
I would go back to £40m, but I'm just a massive muppet for Vidal.
I'm trying not to get carried away. I'm just not sure we can pull this signing off. Though I did think that about van Persie and Mata too.
Near enough yeah
Tuttosport didn't say he'd prefer United to Madrid, that was just twitter bollocks & they referenced reports in the English press for the wage figure which came from the Metro.
@Theon Thanks mate, much appreciated 
Used to live there, went to school there, live up the hill in Penycae now. Why?
Brilliantly done.
Knew someone who used to live there, Mark Hughes hometown.
Same. This is def brewing up to be my biggest Muppet episode, I was awful for Sneidjer but learnt my lesson until now. The journey continues
Assuming we play 3 at the back which I think is unlikely.
Assuming we get another defensive midfielder to anchor the midfield, he would have to play either with Herrera in a similar formation as the second you've listed (however with 4 at the back) or alongside the defensive midfielder but playing more advanced, with Mata as the 10. In the former scenario Mata would have to play wide, which isn't ideal, but hopefully the defensive midfielder would be mobile enough to make up for Mata's defensive frailties.
Bayern had the chance to sign him and didn't. And if reports are to be believed then Woodward is very keen to sanction a big money star name signing this summer and Vidal fits the bill in terms of what we need and his quality.
Yeah, hence the Sparky part of the name. I probably know them!
We should just offer £60million and £250k per week and if not walk
Where are you getting this from? It would be:
De Gea
Rafael - Evans - Jones - Shaw
Herrera - Vidal
Nani - Mata - Kagawa
RvP
Throw in a new CB and maybe a winger and that is one sexy team. Really struggling to see where Rooney will fit in next season. If we get a good offer, we should look to recoup some of the money we've spent.
That post was just responding to the question on where Vidal plays for Juve, so I was really just explaining that. I don't think we will definitely play that way - but at the moment I think a 3-5-2 is the best option for us, as it solves the Rooney/Van Persie/Mata conundrum.
If we signed Vidal, then I would be shocked if we didn't play a 3-5-2. It would be by far the best system for our players IMO. Vidal/Herrera really wouldn't get the best out of Vidal, he would need to play a more conservative game and if we spend £45million getting him it doesn't make sense to me. In that scenario there really would be no benefit to playing a 4-2-3-1, it sticks Rooney or Mata wide, and it doesn't get the best out of our midfield.
If we offered £60m Juve would bite your hand off. Rumours are they want around €45-50m. Some of the figures being thrown about are a bit mental.
It would be interesting to see it. I figured people have been discussing the possibility of that formation more because of Holland at the moment, but then that's only due to their defensive frailties. It's not an ideal formation for Van Gaal, unless he also thinks we are lacking defensively and, as you say, feel it's the best formation for the front 3.
It may work against smaller teams but that formation isnt getting the best out of either Herrera or Vidal.
Maybe not Vidal but Herrera is perfectly capable of doing that no. 8 role. Though ideally you want a no. 6 type next to a no. 8 type and Vidal certainly isn't that. So I agree that Herrera-Vidal may be an unbalanced midfield. Then again, he's just so good!
If we buy Vidal, however, I can't see how else we would line up. If we used a three-man midfield, we couldn't have a no. 10, and we already have at least three fantastic players vying for that position.
Oh I agree. Just sign the fecker and sort out the details later!
Just to keep things interesting:
Maybe United knows that Madrid are close to signing Kroos and our chances of landing Vidal are more realistic now.
That's why we are getting reports of our bid etc from reliable sources (Miguel Delaney).. Maybe the club feels they can get hime now.
Maybe United knows that Madrid are close to signing Kroos and our chances of landing Vidal are more realistic now.
That's why we are getting reports of our bid etc from reliable sources (Miguel Delaney).. Maybe the club feels they can get hime now.
I don't actually think it's a defensive formation at all, it just depends how you play it. I mean Chile played a 3-5-2 and they were extremely offensive. Any system can be played in an attacking or defensive manner, 4-4-2 for example is often seen as being really offensive, as you have two strikers, but it can also be extremely defensive - the whole 'two banks of four' tactic that Allardyce often has used.
If we played that team above then it wouldn't be defensive - attacking wingbacks, two progressive midfielders, then Mata/Rooney/Van Persie.
I think thats arguable. I agree though, was a Rolls Royce of midfielders....
-------Carrick-------
---Vidal-----Herrera---
--------Mata--------
Make it happen Woody!!!
---Vidal-----Herrera---
--------Mata--------
Make it happen Woody!!!
Yeah I would like to see it. It's not commonly used in the premier league so, if worked well (and I would trust Van Gaal to get it to work) it would probably put a few teams out as an added bonus.
Wingerless system?
Given who our wingers are yeah, let Rafael and Shaw provide the width
How would that look? Wing-backs instead of wingers? I would be surprised. Van Gaal likes his wingers.
Cheers. Didn't have enough knowledge of that.
I can't see it myself but would be interesting to see. In that case, we should look to offload Nani and Young and probably Kagawa as well (wouldn't like that personally) and buy at least two CB's. It would make sense to have renewed Valencia's contract seeing as he can play the wingback. But I very much doubt that would happen.Given who our wingers are yeah, let Rafael and Shaw provide the width
Oh yeah, i'm just putting those names out there as ones deemed impossible last June. 2 box to box cms and a number 10 isn't the most balanced midfield ever i'll admit.
Overlapping wing backs
They both love to defend too and one would most likely cover for the other one anyway. Similar to Toure and Fernandinho's partnership.
If we get him, our midfield would transform from one of the worst to one of the best!
Yeah that's a good point. I just think that to get the best out of both of them they'd both need the green light to press high up the pitch. I'm not saying that midfield duo wouldn't work, but you'd have to sacrifice one of two's best qualities in order to reach balance in midfield.
That's actually a really good solution for our current player personnel. We don't quite have the top notch wingers for constantly playing a 4-2-3-1/ 4-5-1 while having and an abundance of No. 10s. A 4-1-2-1-2 diamond formation ala Ancelotti at Milan/ Chelsea could be quite effective and wouls suit our best players with Rooney, RVP staying wide-ish like RVP and Robben for Holland to avoid opposition overload on the flanks, Mata in the Kaka/ Ballack position and Carrick in the Pirlo role. Januzaj, Kagawa, Welbeck as depth for the forward 3.
-------------------------De Gea-------------------------
Rafael----------Jones----------Hummels/ Evans------Shaw
----------------------- Carrick---------------------------
--------Vidal--------------------------------Ander--------
-------------------------Mata----------------------------
--------RVP--------------------------------Rooney-------
If two box to boxers are clever enough they can alternate, cover each other's runs and have a good partnership. The game's moved on but we did it for years with Robson/Ince/Keane.
No, no, we should play...
Vidal Herrera
Januzaj Mata Whoever
van Persie
Januzaj Mata Whoever
van Persie
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