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RedRover said:
What a load of rubbish.

It is quite obviously difficult to sign the worlds best players, but United have the resources to do it as well as a top manager and enormous worldwide popularity.

There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be in for players like this. If it doesn't come off then fine, they move onto other targets but this defeatist attitude suggests you see the club as someway inferior to other sides - presumably like Chelsea, or PSG who will compete for the best now and in the future.

Any club that can offer mega wages in the PL has a chance at signing the worlds best. No CL football this year might have an effect but most players will evidently look at the clubs ambitions for the foreseeable future. Signing of trying to sign the worlds best players gives an indication of that.
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Chasing Fabregas all of last summer when we had CL football to offer worked out well didn't it?

What makes you think that the exact same scenario won't unfold with Vidal this summer?

My point was merely that I'd rather us go for more realistic targets that's all.

Yes, Manchester United are a massive massive club with huge world wide appeal and support but I think you under play how much the lack of CL football next season has fecked up our chances of signing the top tier talent.
 
RedRover said:
I have another decent theory - £250k a week. United need him more than other clubs and I suspect any potential deal would reflect that.

On top of that its evident United have big plans under Van Gaal who has a proven track record at the top level. We'll be back up there soon competing with the best.
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Well yes, the money will also play a big part in players signing for this club. United seem to have a lot more financial clout this year or are at least opening the purse strings a lot more. But the fact is that he would play a big part in this present squad. Everyone knows that we need more players in midfield and Vidal would play a huge part not just this season but in future seasons as well. I definitely agree with the big plans of the club under LVG. Luis will have long term as well as short term plans which will necessitate certain types of players, players who will have a crucial role in the squad. I'd expect us to be in a better position too in 2015.
 
Garethw said:
Chasing Fabregas all of last summer when we had CL football to offer worked out well didn't it?

What makes you think that the exact same scenario won't unfold with Vidal this summer?

My point was merely that I'd rather us go for more realistic targets that's all.

Yes, Manchester United are a massive massive club with huge world wide appeal and support but I think you under play how much the lack of CL football next season has fecked up our chances of signing the top tier talent.
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I think you are, equally, over-estimating that, Gareth.

A more important factor in attracting top players, I believe, may be how well LVG does at the WC.
 
It's absolute nonsense to say that there's no reason to choose United over Chelsea, even at this moment in time. They've been a 'project' since 2005, so they can't fecking talk.

Yeah we're a work in progress, but so were a lot of giants of football at one time after consistent success. It doesn't suddenly make a money club like Chelsea a more attractive destination than United.
 
Dwazza Van Hernandez said:
I think you are, equally, over-estimating that, Gareth.

A more imprtant factor, I believe, will be how well LVG does at the WC.
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I'd also argue that unlike Moyes, LVG has both a lot of honours to his name and a certain respect within european football. Thus he'd be a much more convincing proposition to play under and more likely to have a good influence on players decisions to sign. Plus, I reckon that other players in europe will look at us in preseason and realise that there is a new project taking place at the club, a project they might be interested in being a part of.
 
Garethw said:
Chasing Fabregas all of last summer when we had CL football to offer worked out well didn't it?

What makes you think that the exact same scenario won't unfold with Vidal this summer?

My point was merely that I'd rather us go for more realistic targets that's all.

Yes, Manchester United are a massive massive club with huge world wide appeal and support but I think you under play how much the lack of CL football next season has fecked up our chances of signing the top tier talent.
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As has been said a million times on here, clearly United had a positive response from Fabregas initially, or they wouldn't have made a bid. Clearly the position changed at Barca with the new manager and so he decided to stay.

As regards Vidal I evidently have no idea how it will turn out. It is obvious that its very hard to sign the worlds best players - clubs don't want to lose them and you face stiff completion - obviously you think that means we shouldn't even try and should just settle for second best. I don't understand that at all.

I disagree re the CL. Top players go to clubs where they have long term chances of success and where they can get paid - we can offer both.

There is only one way to guarantee you don't get players like Vidal - that's not to try. Doubtless other targets are being considered all the time in case the big deals don't come off.
 
Shark said:
It's absolute nonsense to say that there's no reason to choose United over Chelsea, even at this moment in time. They've been a 'project' since 2005, so they can't fecking talk.

Yeah we're a work in progress, but so were a lot of giants of football at one time after consistent success. It doesn't suddenly make a money club like Chelsea a more attractive destination than United.
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There are reasons to choose us over Chelsea. There are also plenty of reasons to choose them over us. There's no automatic 'we're the bigger club, we deserve them' scenario like some people seem to be suggesting.
 
RedRover said:
As has been said a million times on here, clearly United had a positive response from Fabregas initially, or they wouldn't have made a bid. Clearly the position changed at Barca with the new manager and so he decided to stay.

As regards Vidal I evidently have no idea how it will turn out. It is obvious that its very hard to sign the worlds best players - clubs don't want to lose them and you face stiff completion - obviously you think that means we shouldn't even try and should just settle for second best. I don't understand that at all.

I disagree re the CL. Top players go to clubs where they have long term chances of success and where they can get paid - we can offer both.

There is only one way to guarantee you don't get players like Vidal - that's not to try. Doubtless other targets are being considered all the time in case the big deals don't come off.
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I'm certainly not saying that we shouldn't try mate. Vidal would be an incredible signing. He's top class and would improve us immeasurably but I'm just not getting my muppet hopes up :-)
 
Cina said:
There are reasons to choose us over Chelsea. There are also plenty of reasons to choose them over us. There's no automatic 'we're the bigger club, we deserve them' scenario like some people seem to be suggesting.
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Oh of course, however I was mainly responding to this comment. This Chelsea fan thinks that Shaw would only choose a club like United over them because of a 'project'. It's nonsense.

But why pick United over Chelsea? How does not being in the CL, finishing 7th and not being the club he supports represents "somewhere better"? Oh wait, I know. Because he's excited your 'project'
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I'm surprised chelsea are being mooted as competition for vidal after getting fabregas. Assuming they stick with 4231, the competition for places with fabregas and matic for that midfield 2 might put him off.

I think there is bigger competition from likes of barca/real.

Hopefully barca will be spending most of summer trying to get Bitey McRatty and may not actually be able to afford him. But I think they will be after a CM this summer.
Madrid are the ones I worry about
 
Vidal is wanted by Louis van Gaal so surely it's as simple as putting in a bid that Juventus are willing to accept (assuming it's around £50m), offering him an enormous contract and then letting Louis try to convince him to be part of his vision.

That said, even with all that we would stand little chance of signing him but it's still worth a try.
 
Dracula said:
I'm surprised chelsea are being mooted as competition for vidal after getting fabregas. Assuming they stick with 4231, the competition for places with fabregas and matic for that midfield 2 might put him off.

I think there is bigger competition from likes of barca/real.

Hopefully barca will be spending most of summer trying to get Bitey McRatty and may not actually be able to afford him. But I think they will be after a CM this summer.
Madrid are the ones I worry about
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competition? really? haha... i doubt that thought will cross his mind.
 
Madrid are buying Kroos. Chelsea don't need another midfielder.

Has there actually been any real indication that he fancies a move and Juventus are willing to sell?

I say make them a big offer and see what happens. The fact they are rumoured to want Nani can't be a bad thing.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Madrid are buying Kroos. Chelsea don't need another midfielder.

Has there actually been any real indication that he fancies a move and Juventus are willing to sell?

I say make them a big offer and see what happens. The fact they are rumoured to want Nani can't be a bad thing.
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Not really but he was asked whether he'd be at Juventus next season and his answer was I don't know and was focusing on the World Cup.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Madrid are buying Kroos. Chelsea don't need another midfielder.

Has there actually been any real indication that he fancies a move and Juventus are willing to sell?

I say make them a big offer and see what happens. The fact they are rumoured to want Nani can't be a bad thing.
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Conte has spoken of his desire to move toward 4-4-2. They will need wingers, perhaps we can convince Young to want a new experience in Turin? And then tell Juve to take Nani you've got to take Young.
 
Empire said:
Conte has spoken of his desire to move toward 4-4-2. They will need wingers, perhaps we can convince Young to want a new experience in Turin? And then tell Juve to take Nani you've got to take Young.
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:lol:

Nobody is gonna take Young mate. We don't have Fergie managing any more to call on a favour either. He'll run his contact down imo.
 
CassiusClaymore said:
Madrid are buying Kroos. Chelsea don't need another midfielder.

Has there actually been any real indication that he fancies a move and Juventus are willing to sell?

I say make them a big offer and see what happens. The fact they are rumoured to want Nani can't be a bad thing.
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No, Di Marzio's said Juve will only sell one of him/Pogba if they want to leave and that there's no chance of Vidal leaving now.

Empire said:
Conte has spoken of his desire to move toward 4-4-2. They will need wingers, perhaps we can convince Young to want a new experience in Turin? And then tell Juve to take Nani you've got to take Young.
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4-3-3 not 4-4-2
 
Empire said:
Conte has spoken of his desire to move toward 4-4-2. They will need wingers, perhaps we can convince Young to want a new experience in Turin? And then tell Juve to take Nani you've got to take Young.
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Why would Juve want Young though? If it was Catania and we were willing to pay 80% of his wages then maybe yes, but Juve, I just can't see it.
 
OutOfTowner said:
Well yes, the money will also play a big part in players signing for this club. United seem to have a lot more financial clout this year or are at least opening the purse strings a lot more. But the fact is that he would play a big part in this present squad. Everyone knows that we need more players in midfield and Vidal would play a huge part not just this season but in future seasons as well. I definitely agree with the big plans of the club under LVG. Luis will have long term as well as short term plans which will necessitate certain types of players, players who will have a crucial role in the squad. I'd expect us to be in a better position too in 2015.
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I agree. It seems the club realises that they need to compete for the best players and ensure the squad is up to scratch - that's modern football.
 
RedRover said:
I agree. It seems the club realises that they need to compete for the best players and ensure the squad is up to scratch - that's modern football.
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Well after the shambles that was last year, I reckon the club have woken up to the fact that changes have had to be made. We couldn't rely on that midfield for the next three years without suffering as a result.
 
Garethw said:
I'm certainly not saying that we shouldn't try mate. Vidal would be an incredible signing. He's top class and would improve us immeasurably but I'm just not getting my muppet hopes up :-)
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Fair enough.

People seem to think just because we haven't spent huge sums in recent times then we can't, or won't. I personally think we'll see more big money deals simply because that's the way the game in the PL is going. Whilst I personally don't want to see "Galactico" spending and a huge turnover if players we still need to be competitive.

At the end if the day players might prefer Real it Barca, but they also may not. The fact that United can pay with the best will always make them an option.
 
OutOfTowner said:
Well after the shambles that was last year, I reckon the club have woken up to the fact that changes have had to be made. We couldn't rely on that midfield for the next three years without suffering as a result.
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Indeed. At least we seem to have some ambition. We might not get all the players the board/manager want but at least we seem to be giving it a go.

I like the fact that we seem to be targeting really good players, even under Moyes. It shows ambition and its exciting for the fans.
 
RedRover said:
Indeed. At least we seem to have some ambition. We might not get all the players the board/manager want but at least we seem to be giving it a go.

I like the fact that we seem to be targeting really good players, even under Moyes. It shows ambition and its exciting for the fans.
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Yep, it's a good time to be a United fan. There seems to be a renewed confidence and vigour about the team and indeed the fans.
 
Ling said:
Any ITK reporting deal? I would take even Indykala.
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Yep, according to Agent_ITK, we're bidding £180m for Ronaldo and Aguero. We are looking to sell Anderson to Olympiakos for £2.2m, a basket of muffins and a tub of hair gel. However, we are also in for a surprise bid to sign Emile Heskey from Newcastle Jets and Freddie Flintoff from Cricket, both which will require £35m each to an overseas swiss bank account, a deluxe suite in The Palace Hotel for the Sheik Mansour, a five year loan deal for Ronaldo and Aguero to Barcelona without the option to recall and a complimentary massage from Ed Studward.

It's a rather convoluted deal.
 
With regards to the who is more attractive us or Chelsea (or any other English club for that matter) debate,I think money aside we always been the most attractive English club.

Money is obviously by far the biggest factor and that's what's been letting us down since Chelsea took over.We had plenty of money and I think the Glazers were willing to spend, I think it was Fergie who was unwilling to overspend or pay agents fees and such.

That is what made us lose our battles for players like Hazard,Moura or Nasri.
Not that we arn't a bigger club than City or Chelsea or that London lifestyle bullshit.

If Fergie was still managing us there is no way we would have paid that much for any of our signings.Van Gaal/Woodward are clearly willing to put money on the table so I would imagine we will be first choice for most players going to England.Our current situation complicates things a bit but I still think we have a great chance of beating any english club to a player.
 
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Danny Boi said:
With regards to the who is more attractive us or Chelsea (or any other English club for that matter) debate,I think money aside we always been the most attractive English club.

Money is obviously by far the biggest factor and that's what's been letting us down since Chelsea took over.We had plenty of money and I think the Glazers were willing to spend, I think it was Fergie who was unwilling to overspend or pay agents fees and such.

That is what made us lose our battles for players like Hazard,Moura or Nasri.
Not that we arn't a bigger club than City or Chelsea or that London lifestyle bullshit.

If Fergie was still managing us there is no way we would have paid that much for any of our signings.Van Gaal/Woodward are clearly willing to put money on the table so I would imagine we will be first choice for most players going to England.Our current situation complicates things a bit but I still think we have a great chance of beating any english club to a player.
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I dont think even hardened Chelsea fans can argue against this statement.

The most succesful club in the land. Biggest stadium, greatest traditions, greatest foundations. Nobody else comes close really. Closest being Liverpool.

If im a foriegner wanting to play in England, i hope that its United or Liverpool wanting to sign me. I havent ever heard of Chelsea but when i hear they can pay me double anyone else then maybe my choice can be swayed.
 
Cina said:
Right now Chelsea are a more attractive opportunity than us in terms of winning trophies so I'm sure they would. People always seem to use the "we're Man Utd, we the biggest etc." thing on here when it comes to signing players, as if we have some divine right to them, when the sad reality is that pretty much every transfer in the last few years we've had to battle out with another club for has ended badly.
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All things equal financially, Chelsea are the most attractive PL team right now. Due to Mourinho, better players and London.

Money will win every time though. We seem like we're finally getting more competitive with fees and wages. FFP could be great for us.
 
RedRover said:
What a load of rubbish.

It is quite obviously difficult to sign the worlds best players, but United have the resources to do it as well as a top manager and enormous worldwide popularity.

There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be in for players like this. If it doesn't come off then fine, they move onto other targets but this defeatist attitude suggests you see the club as someway inferior to other sides - presumably like Chelsea, or PSG who will compete for the best now and in the future.

Any club that can offer mega wages in the PL has a chance at signing the worlds best. No CL football this year might have an effect but most players will evidently look at the clubs ambitions for the foreseeable future. Signing of trying to sign the worlds best players gives an indication of that.
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Good post. Its all about the money.

Man United have never been even nearly as a attractive as we're now - if the money is right.

We have always been conservative with money, just falling short of being competitive on fees and wages consistently for several years. If we start flexing our enormous financial muscle, even if just for one summer, we can buy from the very top shelf.
 
Danny Boi said:
With regards to the who is more attractive us or Chelsea (or any other English club for that matter) debate,I think money aside we always been the most attractive English club.

Money is obviously by far the biggest factor and that's what's been letting us down since Chelsea took over.We had plenty of money and I think the Glazers were willing to spend, I think it was Fergie who was unwilling to overspend or pay agents fees and such.

That is what made us lose our battles for players like Hazard,Moura or Nasri.
Not that we arn't a bigger club than City or Chelsea or that London lifestyle bullshit.

If Fergie was still managing us there is no way we would have paid that much for any of our signings.Van Gaal/Woodward are clearly willing to put money on the table so I would imagine we will be first choice for most players going to England.Our current situation complicates things a bit but I still think we have a great chance of beating any english club to a player.
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Aye, spot on. And there are signs that the financial landscape is changing. There seems to be a greater willingness to spend on our end, and on Chelsea's/City's side FFP looms as a very real threat. They can't compete with our revenue and £100m net losses are no longer viable.
 
Can you imagine Herrera and Vidal at the heart of our midfield. :drool: Pleeeeeeaaaase. lol. I will honestly be amazed if it happens but the prospect of playing under Van Gaal could be more of a factor than we think.
 
mufcwarm92 said:
Chelsea are in London, they offer big wages and are prepared to be a bit shafted over transfer and agent fees. They'll never be in the top band of clubs, but they'll always compete for the top players.
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Yep, Chelsea are a huge powerhouse in the transfer market.
 
RedRover said:
I agree. It seems the club realises that they need to compete for the best players and ensure the squad is up to scratch - that's modern football.
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It's all about money mate, if we had a season par with our past performance then chances are high that we'd have closed the gap on the Spanish duo on the revenue scales . There are things like the Nike deal which at one time looked like it was a formality that we'd double the current highest shirt deals but the silence on that front is defeaning . The Glazers know the strategy on which they have based their take over and growth plans is extremely reliant on on pitch results. Along with Woodward they just don't want to survive on past glory like Liverpool, they want to grow the club's revenues to unimaginable heights and for that to happen they need United to be in the scramble for honours when the much anticipated mobile tv boom materializes .
Spending £200m now will be well worth it if you consider the big pay day that awaits them.
On Vidal I think we have to go all in with a mouthwatering fee and jaw dropping wage offer, £50m and £250k/week with the Rooney commercial worth clauses to boot. He is 27 so both Juventus and he will know that this could be his/their last chance for a big payoff on him. Go in hard and if you hit a brickwall don't linger, this summer is way too important to waste on lost causes.
 
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