Although I completely agree, I can't see Woody this one off. I'd put my money on Carvalho and Strootman either in January or next summer.
When Bayern and Real are in the mix you know your pretty screwed.
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When Bayern and Real are in the mix you know your pretty screwed.
Fair enough. Sign the fecker.This is the Vidal thread not the Shaw thread, muppetry only!
BS article and BS source...but that photo!
True. But why pick United over Chelsea? How does not being in the CL, finishing 7th and not being the club he supports represents "somewhere better"? Oh wait, I know. Because he's excited your 'project'.
Shaw didn't just support us when he was a kid, he's been supporting the club since he was a kid, check out his Twitter over the last couple of years, there's plenty of proof, especially during the CL matches, he never made it a secret.
Just because Telegraph said something (and they barely mentioned it in passing), and no other papers did btw, doesn't make it true. And as for developing a player, he's hardly an unproven youngster after being a starter for Southampton over the last two seasons, and were we prepared to pay that kind of money, you better believe he'd have plenty of playing time at Chelsea.
Well you could also argue that the age difference between 18 and 21 kind of corresponds to the wage difference between 100 k and 170 k. 100 k for Shaw is ridiculous, but 170 k for a 21 year old Hazard was as ridiculous, doesn't matter how you try to justify it.
If you guys want to discuss Luke Shaw please take it elsewhere.
That's where you have to look at the positions they play. Hazard is a match winner. He often provides the goal or assist that directly determines results for his club. Shaw is a LB who you may not even notice for matches on end.
You pay more money for more productivity.
I have deliberately avoided twitter, but can you upload a photo to somebody's timeline or whatever it is called and does Vidal have a twitter account?
Edit: I found the answer to my second question.
He just looks and plays like a motherfarqer you don't want to mess with.
Its amazing to read this guy would rather play for us than Madrid or Chelsea, if you close your eyes and pretend there is some basis in fact.
Let him issue a good, old fashioned Come And Get Me plea, something along the lines of "I always dreamed of playing in the famous red shirts of Manchester United" ideally but something about how highly he rates Van Gaal or loves persistent drizzle and chip barms would do.
Let him issue a good, old fashioned Come And Get Me plea, something along the lines of "I always dreamed of playing in the famous red shirts of Manchester United" ideally but something about how highly he rates Van Gaal or loves persistent drizzle and chip barms would do.
He will be United player within one month. Mark my words.
Oh my!BS article and BS source...but that photo!
This is the type of thing that really REALLY gets me excited and then i sit here wondering what does this man no that the rest of us dont?? Is this just some zany prediction or does he have something to base it on?
I have marked your words, and if it doesnt happen you have built my hopes up for them to be dashed in a way that the anti santa steels childrens toys on xmax eve
I do agree that Shaw is the riskier of the two, but then Rio had 4 years on Shaw by the time we signed him. I think we overpaid for him simply because we are in a dire need of a LB and every club knows it. Pretty much our situation with midfield options. I am slightly worried about the wage bracket Shaw is going in, but that is mostly because I am worried what kind of negotiating power will we have when trying to tie down top talents like Januzaj down, and also what it means for us going for similar talents in the future. But I am sure the club has thought about those repercussions before splurging so much.
Regarding the smart buys which we were famous for, I am in fact more optimistic since LvG is the kind who does not necessarily go for start power. He is known to find that diamond in the rough. So maybe we could still get someone like that. Basically all that is down to our scouting network. If we are able to expand our horizon in South America more, I am sure there are plenty such talents which we could get.
He really looks like an alien.BS article and BS source...but that photo!
This is the type of thing that really REALLY gets me excited and then i sit here wondering what does this man no that the rest of us dont?? Is this just some zany prediction or does he have something to base it on?
I have marked your words, and if it doesnt happen you have built my hopes up for them to be dashed in a way that the anti santa steels childrens toys on xmax eve
You need to take hints man, that's all I can say at this moment
Which hints? please elaborateYou need to take hints man, that's all I can say at this moment
Lol, I love the fact Chelsea fans have a false sense of being a really big club when globally, they don't have any of the romantic appeal that the true top clubs in Europe have. Not to say that Chelsea really were in for Shaw, but it really is inconceivable to you that a young player would pick Manchester United over Chelsea for the long-term isn't it?
Talented youngsters know that Manchester United is the top destination for them in northern Europe and one of the top destinations in Europe generally. When it comes to signing established stars who are thinking more about the immediate future, there could be an argument for turning United down due to last season, but it's being overhyped by fans of other clubs and it's actually looking quite delusional in so far as people really don't think top players will come and play for United anymore. They will.
When did this turn into the Shaw thread?
Is Kroos signing for Real Madrid?
If so, with Alonso, Kroos and Modric, they won't sign Vidal.
If so, with Alonso, Kroos and Modric, they won't sign Vidal.
But Bayern might
Why? That's a fairly bold statement. I think if he was available then the competition for his signature would be massive. This thread stinks of wishful thinking.
Won't happen. This thread has simply replaced the mupperty of the Kroos thread, look hows that panned out. Vidal will probably head to Bayern even if he is available.
Presumably because most would see that United are the biggest club in the Country. Over a 15 year period there is a greater chance of winning the most number of trophies at United vs any other club.
Also Chelsea are still reliant on Abramovich for investment, otherwise they have to sell to buy (last year made a £5.5m net profit before player purchases). If Shaw's agent has his head switched on he might think if FFP bites Chelsea will only be able to spend a similar amount to Liverpool each season, which could soon have them dropping down the League. Whereas United can spend probably 3-4x this amount without having a problem.
There is only so many times you can sell a player for £45m (Luiz) or £37m (Mata) in order to reinvest without it eventually damaging your team.
Because United is one of the biggest clubs in the world - while Chelsea is one of the biggest clubs in England.
We need to forget about signing the likes of Vidal and Kroos and target the carvalho and Khedira level players.
Those guys might not be the worlds best but they would infinitely improve us and are actually realistic targets.
Those guys might not be the worlds best but they would infinitely improve us and are actually realistic targets.
I have a decent theory as to why Vidal could be happier to come here. This season, we are buying players in certain positions because we absolutely positively need them. If we bought Arturo Vidal this season, you can bet your bottom dollar he'll feature in a huge chunk of our matches this season. At Chelsea, he'll be competing for places amongst Hazard, Oscar, Fabregas, Mikel, Willian and Matic to name but a few. I am also aware of our lack of CL football this season but let's face it, last season was an anomaly. This season we have LVG and an improved squad. We'll be back in europe in time for 2015-16 and I reckon we'll be vastly improved.
Chelsea are definitely a 'global' club by now.
Becuse if he comes to United, he will be the leader of the midfield, while in Chelsea, there are already plenty of quality top players competing for the same spot in first XI. True, Vidal is better then all of them, but it's not the same if you are just a soldier in a platoon, or a leader among equals.
Vidal doesn't seem like a type of player who is happy to sit on a bench and earn €250k / week.
Vidal doesn't seem like a type of player who is happy to sit on a bench and earn €250k / week.
Perhaps, but obviously not at the level of United, Real or Barcelona.
That hasn't stopped them beating us and other big clubs to players before and it certainly won't now.
What a load of rubbish.
It is quite obviously difficult to sign the worlds best players, but United have the resources to do it as well as a top manager and enormous worldwide popularity.
There is absolutely no reason why we shouldn't be in for players like this. If it doesn't come off then fine, they move onto other targets but this defeatist attitude suggests you see the club as someway inferior to other sides - presumably like Chelsea, or PSG who will compete for the best now and in the future.
Any club that can offer mega wages in the PL has a chance at signing the worlds best. No CL football this year might have an effect but most players will evidently look at the clubs ambitions for the foreseeable future. Signing of trying to sign the worlds best players gives an indication of that.
Are we all just presuming Vidal would prefer to come here then? As he hasn't said it anywhere and nothing really indicates that.
No, absolutely not. However, when that does happen I'm fairly certain that it is the money doing most of the talking. I don't think many top players would choose Chelsea over us on merit - given that the financial terms were equal.
I have another decent theory - £250k a week. United need him more than other clubs and I suspect any potential deal would reflect that.
On top of that its evident United have big plans under Van Gaal who has a proven track record at the top level. We'll be back up there soon competing with the best.
BS article and BS source...but that photo!
Won't ever happen.
We're not wearing that kit next season.
Chelsea are in London, they offer big wages and are prepared to be a bit shafted over transfer and agent fees. They'll never be in the top band of clubs, but they'll always compete for the top players.
Right now Chelsea are a more attractive opportunity than us in terms of winning trophies so I'm sure they would. People always seem to use the "we're Man Utd, we the biggest etc." thing on here when it comes to signing players, as if we have some divine right to them, when the sad reality is that pretty much every transfer in the last few years we've had to battle out with another club for has ended badly.
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