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NJM78 said:
Exactly and we should even be thinking along the lines of we'll buy Vidal and still will try for Strootman next summer for our champions league assault. Really build a quality squad with a lot of competition. Isn't this how big clubs with ambition are meant to be.
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Vidal should have been at Old Trafford by now, he clearly wants the move and Juve wants the money.

The problem seems to be us stumping up the money... all the while we sit on mountains of cash endlessly watching blank fecking spaces.
 
ravi2 said:
Vidal should have been at Old Trafford by now, he clearly wants the move and Juve wants the money.

The problem seems to be us stumping up the money... all the while we sit on mountains of cash endlessly watching blank fecking spaces.
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I also think this is the problem.

As i said before i think the Glazers assumed spending 120m so far was enough to fix the squad. Don't think they want to splash out a lot more. They need to realise it's required for the long term success of the club.
 
ravi2 said:
Vidal should have been at Old Trafford by now, he clearly wants the move and Juve wants the money.

The problem seems to be us stumping up the money... all the while we sit on mountains of cash endlessly watching blank fecking spaces.
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The whole knee issue just seems an excuse. Now reports saying he is fully fit have come out then why can't we just bid. 40m euros and two average players seems a good deal to me. Again what was it Ed said "60m 70m 80m could be spent on a player if we want to..."
 
ravi2 said:
Vidal should have been at Old Trafford by now, he clearly wants the move and Juve wants the money.

The problem seems to be us stumping up the money... all the while we sit on mountains of cash endlessly watching blank fecking spaces.
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The problem for me is, does LVG really want the player? If so then this should be done and dusted. But I'm not sure he does
 
Inigo Montoya said:
The problem for me is, does LVG really want the player? If so then this should be done and dusted. But I'm not sure he does
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He apparently did not want Kroos or to further explore signing Fabregas. Now he doesn't want a player who I have never seen United more strongly linked with, who just so happens to be the type of player the club is crying out for!

Who the feck does he want then because our midfield (apart from Herrera)is grade A shite.
 
NJM78 said:
The whole knee issue just seems an excuse. Now reports saying he is fully fit have come out then why can't we just bid. 40m euros and two average players seems a good deal to me. Again what was it Ed said "60m 70m 80m could be spent on a player if we want to..."
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Hard to call the knee thing just an excuse, unless we paid off the Chile coach to mention that as a stumbling block. I don't think it's an excuse at all. Everything fits, and I've been saying that for weeks. Within a couple of days of reports in Chile newspapers that we had contacted the Chilean National Team doctors about Vidals knee, the English press first started reporting that they had been briefed that United had not contacted Juve about Vidal. Since then, all of the reports of deals being close have come from Chile or Italy (where the parties that have the most to gain financially are from).

I'm thinking that the fee IS an issue, but only because of what Juve want relative to uncertainty about his knee. Reports of Vidal being fit doesn't mean much. Hargreaves was fit, too, and passed a medical. I don't think that we are NOT interested because of his knee, just that the knee makes the price they're asking too much. Effectively 60-70 million Euros (depending on how one values the players) for a 27 year old that came back from injury too early and needed injections to play at all (while still never playing 90 minutes), is a massive risk.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
The problem for me is, does LVG really want the player? If so then this should be done and dusted. But I'm not sure he does
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LVG really wanted Vermaelaen and Rojo and we havent gotten them
...by all reports he really wants Di Maria too.... we should have had them in by now.
 
NJM78 said:
He apparently did not want Kroos or to further explore signing Fabregas. Now he doesn't want a player who I have never seen United more strongly linked with, who just so happens to be the type of player the club is crying out for!

Who the feck does he want then because our midfield (apart from Herrera)is grade A shite.
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Now I'm getting depressed. If it's his way of keeping things quiet and not discussing things in the media then fine but boy do we need something to be optimistic about
 
ravi2 said:
LVG really wanted Vermaelaen and Rojo and we havent gotten them
...by all reports he really wants Di Maria too.... we should have had them in by now.
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'By all reports' means just the usual conjecture. He's simply not forthcoming as far as the media and transfer targets are concerned. I can deal with that but it's getting fecking late
 
MiamiSpartan said:
Hard to call the knee thing just an excuse, unless we paid off the Chile coach to mention that as a stumbling block. I don't think it's an excuse at all. Everything fits, and I've been saying that for weeks. Within a couple of days of reports in Chile newspapers that we had contacted the Chilean National Team doctors about Vidals knee, the English press first started reporting that they had been briefed that United had not contacted Juve about Vidal. Since then, all of the reports of deals being close have come from Chile or Italy (where the parties that have the most to gain financially are from).

I'm thinking that the fee IS an issue, but only because of what Juve want relative to uncertainty about his knee. Reports of Vidal being fit doesn't mean much. Hargreaves was fit, too, and passed a medical. I don't think that we are NOT interested because of his knee, just that the knee makes the price they're asking too much. Effectively 60-70 million Euros (depending on how one values the players) for a 27 year old that came back from injury too early and needed injections to play at all (while still never playing 90 minutes), is a massive risk.
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Hargreaves issue does not relate. He broke a leg and then our routine medical proved him fit enough to buy.
Surely an excessive medical on said knee would conclude if it is potentially damaged long term and shows a definite risk of some form of relapse.
By excuse I mean one to hide behind as reason not to make an offer - the reports about the knee I read and believe - I think the club are playing a waiting game hoping that Vidal will push for a move thus weakening their bargaining stance so this comes down to money. I'm sure if he had no injury whatsoever we'd still be in the exact same situation, which is we do not want to spend big.
Also if we are not actually after the player why has the club not pursued any other midfielders considering it is the area of the squad in the most need of attention so this again to me suggests we are not too worried about the knee just the price involved.
 
Inigo Montoya said:
Now I'm getting depressed. If it's his way of keeping things quiet and not discussing things in the media then fine but boy do we need something to be optimistic about
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Sorry. It's just very frustrating for all right now and I do not believe in the slightest that we are not after Vidal. The clubs stance this summer of not briefing press etc has hardly made feck all difference because it's still a dogs dinner of a transfer window so far.
Ed did nothing great in signing Herrera, in fact it's a year too late as all he did was pay his buy out clause. Also every man and his dog knew about Shaw and going by Mourinho's quotes not even Chelsea were prepared to pay that much.
Press also caught wind of Vermaelen 5 weeks before we bid. That didn't end well (or maybe it did!) all I know is prior to Swansea game I was worried, now I'm really worried as I do not think Evans or Van Persie would have made a difference on Saturday. Even this third choice defensive target Rojo seems full of complications. It pretty much seems to me there are no easy targets so even if we leave it late and go for the likes of Blind and De Jong I could even see us struggling then. I wouldn't want to be Ed right now.
 
I reckon we'll sign Vidal before the window shuts but it could go all the way to the end of the the month. Negotiations are ongoing imo and Juve want to sell. United just need to bid a decent offer which is anything over £40 million if you ask me. So I think it will cost us about 42 million when we do agree a fee with Juve.
I believe Vidal is more valuable to us than he is for Juve. They have Pogba in midfield who will only get better, they only need a decent midfielder to go alongside him and they are laughing. United on the other hand have a weak midfield and are in need of a player like Vidal. To be fair to Juve they are playing their cards right here. They are just waiting and waiting for us to bid higher and higher. They don't care if he goes on the last day of the window as long as they get the money. Maybe United know this so negotiations might go quiet for a week until on yhe final day when Ed comes back with the 45+million bid Juve are looking for.
 
There's obviously a hell of a lot of stuff we don't know about when it comes to sealing a deal, i just hope the delay isn't down to penny pinching. The season's already underway and it's crucial we get a midfielder and a centre back at the very least. To jeopardise these for the sake of a small saving after telling the world how rich we are anyway would be mental. Hopefully we're just sorting out formalities.
 
predator said:
I reckon we'll sign Vidal before the window shuts but it could go all the way to the end of the the month. Negotiations are ongoing imo and Juve want to sell. United just need to bid a decent offer which is anything over £40 million if you ask me. So I think it will cost us about 42 million when we do agree a fee with Juve.
I believe Vidal is more valuable to us than he is for Juve. They have Pogba in midfield who will only get better, they only need a decent midfielder to go alongside him and they are laughing. United on the other hand have a weak midfield and are in need of a player like Vidal. To be fair to Juve they are playing their cards right here. They are just waiting and waiting for us to bid higher and higher. They don't care if he goes on the last day of the window as long as they get the money. Maybe United know this so negotiations might go quiet for a week until on yhe final day when Ed comes back with the 45+million bid Juve are looking for.
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If everyone knows Vidal will cost £45M+, just bid £50M or £45M+ Hernandez... at the heart of the matter this is surely all that needs to be done?
 
2 Man Midfield said:
There's obviously a hell of a lot of stuff we don't know about when it comes to sealing a deal, i just hope the delay isn't down to penny pinching. The season's already underway and it's crucial we get a midfielder and a centre back at the very least. To jeopardise these for the sake of a small saving after telling the world how rich we are anyway would be mental. Hopefully we're just sorting out formalities.
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This. Better not be a case of us being cheap feckers.
 
Sparky Rhiwabon said:
He had one really good game pre-season where we won 7-0 and was decent after that. He was disappointing in his first PL game though. Let's be honest, pre-season is irrelevant though.
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I disagree. He was the only one creating anything from midfield. Put him alongside more quality and he'll be fine.
 
For 555 pages I've been firmly holding the belief that it still may happen, cause I'm not the type to get demotivated by silence.

But with the recent news that we're frontrunners for Benatia and Di Maria, considering the money it'd take to get those two, it's pretty much confirmed ArturOFF . We've made it clear we have targets and we'll pursue them, but Vidal doesn't seem like one of them. Feck me if I know why, but he doesn't.
 
Lynk said:
http://www.theguardian.com/football...ter-united-louis-van-gaal-juventus?CMP=twt_gu


Jackson is such a twat. Herrera hasn't been disappointing.
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Yes Jackson is a twat, however, he makes a valid point regarding why we have failed to add quality that was obviously available to our CM options this summer. Yes we have Herrera, but let's not kid ourselves, he's not in the Fabregas, Kroos, Vidal league, not yet anyway. We need an established world class CM. We turned down/couldn't get Kroos/Fabregas yet the man who can solve all our CM problems, Vidal we're turning our noses up to? Makes no sense other than his knee being an issue. Now if Allegri's words about Vidal being fit and ready to go is true, well then I say bid, get him here for a medical and take it from there. But we don't seem like doing that because the club keep saying Louis doesn't want him. Makes no sense.
 
Stretch said:
Yes Jackson is a twat, however, he makes a valid point regarding why we have failed to add quality that was obviously available to our CM options this summer. Yes we have Herrera, but let's not kid ourselves, he's not in the Fabregas, Kroos, Vidal league, not yet anyway. We need an established world class CM. We turned down/couldn't get Kroos/Fabregas yet the man who can solve all our CM problems, Vidal we're turning our noses up to? Makes no sense other than his knee being an issue. Now if Allegri's words about Vidal being fit and ready to go is true, well then I say bid, get him here for a medical and take it from there. But we don't seem like doing that because the club keep saying Louis doesn't want him. Makes no sense.
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I am of the opinion that we are waiting to see him in actual action before bidding for him (don't ask me why but it is a hunch)
 
ScarleyUtd said:
I disagree. He was the only one creating anything from midfield. Put him alongside more quality and he'll be fine.
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Fletcher was more frustrating - had a bit of Rooneyitis in that he could hit 40yd cross field balls but he could barely complete 2yard passes. But Ander did little to impose himself on the game.
 
shabadu84 said:
Fletcher was more frustrating - had a bit of Rooneyitis in that he could hit 40yd cross field balls but he could barely complete 2yard passes. But Ander did little to impose himself on the game.
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Agree on Fletcher, but it was also Herrera's PL debut ffs!
 
NJM78 said:
Hargreaves issue does not relate. He broke a leg and then our routine medical proved him fit enough to buy.
Surely an excessive medical on said knee would conclude if it is potentially damaged long term and shows a definite risk of some form of relapse.
By excuse I mean one to hide behind as reason not to make an offer - the reports about the knee I read and believe - I think the club are playing a waiting game hoping that Vidal will push for a move thus weakening their bargaining stance so this comes down to money. I'm sure if he had no injury whatsoever we'd still be in the exact same situation, which is we do not want to spend big.
Also if we are not actually after the player why has the club not pursued any other midfielders considering it is the area of the squad in the most need of attention so this again to me suggests we are not too worried about the knee just the price involved.
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A medical would show if the knee is structurally sound, but I don't think it would show if there's a propensity for chronic tendonitis, which can pop up down the road. My understanding (from personal experience) is that if you don't let an injury/surgery properly heal, it increases the risk of that.

I agree, though, that we are probably using it as a negotiating tactic of one sort or another, whether there is real concern over the knee or not.
 
Whenever i think of Vidal playing for us... i think of him completely dominating everything at Anfield and the Emptihad. Absolutley bossing Yaya and putting Gerrard right in his place. Its been a long time since we had a player in the middle that ran the show. Most recent to my mind is Anderson at Anfield and the Emirates way back in 07'.
 
MiamiSpartan said:
A medical would show if the knee is structurally sound, but I don't think it would show if there's a propensity for chronic tendonitis, which can pop up down the road. My understanding (from personal experience) is that if you don't let an injury/surgery properly heal, it increases the risk of that.

I agree, though, that we are probably using it as a negotiating tactic of one sort or another, whether there is real concern over the knee or not.
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We just lost our first game at home against Swansea, surely the time for negotiating tactics are over?
 
SiRed said:
Whenever i think of Vidal playing for us... i think of him completely dominating everything at Anfield and the Emptihad. Absolutley bossing Yaya and putting Gerrard right in his place. Its been a long time since we had a player in the middle that ran the show. Most recent to my mind is Anderson at Anfield and the Emirates way back in 07'.
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He is one of the few players in the world that can give us what we lost when Keane left all those years ago.
 
ravi2 said:
He was probably my favorite Man Utd player ever.. which is probably why i wanted the Vidal transfer so much.
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Me 2 pal. Me 2. Ive resigned myself that it won't happen now. Fed up of wasting so much positive energy just for Woodward and the Glazers to ruin it and make me feel like an orphan waiting for a parent.

Atleast i have memories of when we were an aggressive club!
 
SiRed said:
Me 2 pal. Me 2. Ive resigned myself that it won't happen now. Fed up of wasting so much positive energy just for Woodward and the Glazers to ruin it and make me feel like an orphan waiting for a parent.

Atleast i have memories of when we were an aggressive club!
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One of the truly sad parts of this whole debace is that we had a clear run at Benatia, Vidal and Di Maria.... three players who are amongst the best in the world in their positions... and we have the money to buy them but for some reason are unable to....yet we claim to have endless money??!!

Its unbelievable.
 
ravi2 said:
One of the truly sad parts of this whole debace is that we had a clear run at Benatia, Vidal and Di Maria.... three players who are amongst the best in the world in their positions... and we have the money to buy them but for some reason are unable to....yet we claim to have endless money??!!

Its unbelievable.
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Tell me about it. I just don't understand it.
If we haven't got a lot of money... Just come out and say so. I could live with that.
What i can't live with is being told to watch this space with the promise of unlimited funds, seemingly having a free run at the 3 players you mentioned and ending up struggling to sign Rojo. Its a complete farce.
 
SUch a shame this won't happen. Would have loved to see a figher like him in CM. One who is incredibly good at football as well.
 
ravi2 said:
One of the truly sad parts of this whole debace is that we had a clear run at Benatia, Vidal and Di Maria.... three players who are amongst the best in the world in their positions... and we have the money to buy them but for some reason are unable to....yet we claim to have endless money??!!

Its unbelievable.
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What do you mean we have a clear run?
 
As the likelihood of this actually happening keeps dwindling, I'm reminded of our past failures landing a CM in the transfer market and where this would rank. Couldn't care less about not getting Sneijder since he wasn't a proper CM and already past his prime. Thiago would have been very nice but it's bearable since he's been out injured most of last year and wasn't rubbed in our faces. Doubt Moyes would have known what to do with him anyways. Kept telling myself that we're ignoring Kroos for the sake of acquiring Vidal, who in my mind is superior and probably the best box-to-box CM in the world.

If we somehow feck this up, it would be incredibly frustrating. While "devastating" might be too strong of a word, it would certainly be a wake-up call to the fans of where we currently find ourselves in terms of transfers we can reasonably expect to land. While Herrera is an excellent player in his own right and not to say that he can't get there one day, most would agree that Kroos, Cesc, and Vidal are on another level. Signing Vidal would solve so many of our issues in CM. It just makes so much sense. The fact that he appears to be available (and Real Madrid, Barca, and Bayern don't need/want him) and willing to play for us without any Champions League makes it even more agonizing. Although I disagree, I can accept it if the reason we're passing is due to his knee, or LVG not wanting him, etc. I really hope that this isn't a case of where trying to pinch pennies comes back to bite us. If somehow Bayern swoops in the last minute to pick up Vidal, there are no words.
 
Mali_Zeus said:
What do you mean we have a clear run?
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I meant that there were no other serious bids for our targets at that point, City passed on Benatia because of the price and ended up with Mangala. PSG couldnt afford Di maria and no one seems to be in for Vidal (?)

If we paid the money straight up (Around £50M per player) they would be without question ours.
 
ravi2 said:
I meant that there were no other serious bids for our targets at that point, City passed on Benatia because of the price and ended up with Mangala. PSG couldnt afford Di maria and no one seems to be in for Vidal (?)

If we paid the money straight up (Around £50M per player) they would be without question ours.
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Do you think, all being good, that we would pay 150 mil. for 3 players? When was the last time anyone did that?

We'll be lucky if we get one of them.
 
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