Has he gone back to Chile from Brazil?
Arturo Vidal
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Technically not allowed to discuss personal terms without permission of the player's club, but agents circumvent this.
That's exactly what Vidal's agent should be doing as well. A bidding war would be to his benefit. I'm sure they have a dream destination but will use other clubs' interest to drive up his price/wages.
As much as I like him, I think Kroos is the one that we should be after. We need a player in the middle to control the pace of the game with his passing and vision. Kroos exactly fits the bill. Carrick is getting on and he would be an excellent replacement for him. Especially, if play 4-3-3 from next season.
He's got Real Madrid written all over him just as Strootman has Manchester United written all over him. I hope I am wrong though (not about Strootman)
You realise that contradicts your opening line?
Can Herrera not do that job?? whilst Vidal destroys opponents attacks? I think Herrera partnered with Kroos might make us a little bit easy to play through, as has been the case for 3 seasons?
How can Strootman have United written all over him if we've been close for a long time and have never actually done anything, I've not seen any real interest this year, and the only thing that makes it plausible is he's a Dutch midfielder, he isn't what we need at all IMO, as a +1 OK, but Vidal is a different level.
He's one of VG favorites and he plays in a position that we need. Lets say that I would be surprised if I don't see Strootman at United in a years time.
Madrid are signing Kroos though. Not that it rules this one out, as it's Madrid, but it might have some impact.
Yeah it's pretty much an open secret that the player's camp discuss personal terms with clubs even before a fee is agreed.
Vidal is more of a DM. They are also selling Khedira + they had been courting the player for 2 years
Vidal is a step above but they're similar players in terms of style. There's still very little evidence that Vidal might be available anyway.
With Mata and Herrara we really don't need Kroos, especially over someone like Vidal. He's a far better fit and Herrara/Kroos would be unbalanced - far more so than Vidal/Herrara, though even that has issues.
If Vidal does go Madrid then i would jump at the chace to sign a cheaper option in Khedira. He is at a good age - bags of experience, plenty of muscle and a great engine. I imagine he would be available for 20 mil or so. It would make sense.
Well with Madrid chasing Kroos, I'd be surprised if they go for Vidal as well but then again it's Perez we're talking about here.
Why do you think that? Vidal is a box-box player, he is not someone who will sit back and control the game.
Mata is a more advanced player. If LvG's preference is 4-3-3 then he would either be the most advanced of the middle three or on the left of the front 3. Herrera is a more all action midfielder. Kroos, imo, would have been a better option at the base of the middle three with two more mobile players either side of him.
You being surprised isn't the biggest assurance, and yes I can draw the link like the lazy journalists did, but I don't think there's any truth to it, certainly nothing to suggest your air of certainty.Couldn't agree more, that was my point.
I'm fully aware of their types, it seems you aren't. A box to box midfielder can control a game, I'll leave it there, but Kroos is an 8/10 with potential to go all the way, Vidal is the fulfilled potential, it's that simple.
IMO, Vidal would be perfect for United. He should be transfer target no. 1!
Okay. Thanks for the lesson.
Vidal can do that, it's literally no exagerrating he can play in any position on the pitch with great effect. The thing is, he's at his best when higher up the pitch so he can use his unbelievable athleticism to press and close down opposition defenders without leaving massive gaps behind. He scores goals too so there's that also. Kind of like how Yaya Toure COULD be used a destroyer.
Sorry you bore the brunt of my pessimism, I'm cynical assuming most posters speak from an arrogant point of view, but Vidal is one of the few players outside ELP i get to see for what it's worth, and for me, there are few better in the world at controlling games, whereas Kroos isn't even the best in Germany at controlling games.
Woody wants his big money marquee signing, forget fecking Cavani and go for this one Woody!
At Juventus, it is Pirlo who controls the game from the middle while Pogba and Vidal do most of the grunt work in both the defensive and attacking areas. He is an awesome player, there is no denying that. I would be ecstatic if get him, don't get me wrong. But as we already signed Herrera and have some in the ranks (who shall not be named) who can do the work, Kroos fits better as a replacement for Carrick, at least in my mind.
Not sure what your talking about. I know Mata is a more advanced player than Kroos.. What does that have to do with anything? It's about the balance of the side. Vidal fits far better than Kroos into a midfield with Herrara and Mata.
Van Gaal isn't that rigid in his tactics by the way, so your wrong to view things from the perspective that it will be a fixed 4-3-3 system regardless of the players. And anyway, by 4-3-3 Van Gaal effectively means a 4-2-3-1 as he's said he likes the pivot to play ahead of the other two midfielders, instead of behind.
What people are saying is that Vidal fits the midfield better than Kroos.. We have Mata and Herrara, the last thing we need is to shovel another playermaker in there at the expense of the all round dominance of Vidal.
So what's the deal. Is it ArturON????
Its more of an educated guess to be honest.
1. Strootman is one of VG's favorites and one of the cornerstones on which VG has built his national side on.
2. He plays in a position that we need
3. He plays for a club who would sell players for the right price
Managers do tend to bring the people they trust especially since they would bleed blood for them and know their tactics inside out. Moyes brought Fellaini, SAF brought Leighton and Mcclair (ok prior to signing with United he never actually worked with SAF but he certainly knew his game and the type of person he was) and Mourinho brought Ferriera and Carvalho. VG brought half his former Ajax with him when he moved to Barcelona during his first stint.
I don't think its the case though.
VG is a continental manager whose been there long enough not to fall in the 'here for the long term' trick Moyes has fallen into last season. He knows that he needs to win fast and he simply doesn't have the talent to do so with the current squad. Hence why we're aiming for proven talent instead of prospects and the usual players from Asda.
Once VG settles down and wins a couple of important honours then rest assured that we won't be going for Marquee signings unless strictly necessary
What I meant was that Mata is a player most effective in the final third. Like Silva, but more direct. He would be best suited as a 10 or as an attacker from the left.
You are right, I don't know about Van Gaal's system or what he intends to play at United. The players he gets will most likely decide the system he is going to deploy here.
In an ideal world, I would like to get both Kroos and Vidal to play them in our central midfield. But since we already got Herrera, I would have preferred Kroos over Vidal as the creative force from central midfield.
Anyway, all this is useless now as Kroos has apparently singed with Madrid. And Vidal is a long shot.
Agreed. He knows the eyes of the world are watching. Our transfers and our performance. Both directly affect the stock market. We have seen in one day how our value increased by more than the amount of a big name signing, in one day, just by pure speculation.
I think it is necessary to spend big and wisely, this summer.
While I agree on LvG's stance, I do feel the United board feel they have a point to make too. The club's been accused of both dithering and lacking ambition when it comes to the transfer market, I'm pretty sure Woody is keen to quash those perceptions as well selling more season tickets by making a bold, marquee signing. Naturally it should be one which LvG believes is integral to his setup, which is why I think Vidal's name is being branded about since he satisfies both criteria:
- A LvG kind of player
- A fan's muppet dream signing
Aye, of course. What people are saying is that, with Mata as a number 10, Vidal - Herrera is a better fit than Kroos - Herrera for the rest of the midfield.
------- Mata ----
- Vidal - Herrera -
I have a stonk on.....!!!!
I don't get the excitement over Woodward's work. Perhaps, after last summer, which was a disaster for United, signing two players in one week seems phenomenal by comparison, but he hardly did anything outstanding. So far Woodward bought Fellaini, Mata, Herrera and Shaw for around £125m. Out of these four, he probably overpaid for all, except may be Mata, and it's not like he got Juan on the cheap, either. United faced no competition from other clubs for the players, and yet you spent a premium in fees and a small fortune on the wages.
Chelsea overpaid on Torres by about £50 million. It happens!
We overpaid for Fellaini, but the rest are what I'd consider good deals. Had Chelsea or City come in for Shaw, they'd have paid the exact same amount, if not more. Herrera was locked to a clause, so we didn't have much of a choice there.
My Juve supporting friend insists it was due to poor refereeing costing them. The same reason he uses for why they didn't get to the EL final
I kind of agree that we are perhaps getting carried away with the transfers we have made after the awful summer we had last time but to say we have spent a premium despite not having competition is misleading. Mata was the best player for a domestic rival and we would never have got him for less than what we paid irrespective of what his standing was under Jose. Herrera is a Bilbao player and they are notorious for not negotiating under the buyout clause for any of their players so irrespective of any other interest in that player, we would not have got him for less.
Shaw is on the expensive side, but then again the same could have been said about Rio 10 years back. Look how that went. Bottom line is you always have to overspend on top young English players, especially if they are full internationals at the age of 18. Chelsea went in with a 20 million bid in January if I remember correctly but Southampton refused to sell at that price. So they would have accepted any less from us either.
Yet despite us needing a left back as badly as you, we passed on joining in the bidding for Chelsea fan Shaw. Hey it might turn out to be a great deal for you guys, but that's a SERIOUS wage for a kid that young.
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