If that's the case, he should have at least some sources or decent connections? No idea if why he should be ban. It's not as if he is indykaila or whatever his name is
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If that's the case, he should have at least some sources or decent connections? No idea if why he should be ban. It's not as if he is indykaila or whatever his name is
Because he is a proven bullshitter. Was awful during the Sneijder days. Don't even think he's changed his picture since then either.
It's because he mentions literally every tiny little thing and passes it off as huge news or whatever. He's just a really annoying person on twitter. That's not to say he's like indykalia though, he isn't. He's actually a reporter and does have sources so would get stuff right now and then.
He was banned because he talks absolute bollocks as do Sky Italia in general. Although I do think if he's banned then the Daily Mail, Star, Goal.com etc.. may as well be too. At the end of the day people just need to use a bit of common sense to figure out what is credible and what isn't.
You'll never know for a fact unless SAF comes out and says it but he had no issues with regularly breaking the transfer record pre Glazers. Look at Wenger, had no issues spending money before the stadium move but was financially handcuffed for 10 years because of it, now Arsenal are completely out of the woods and he's back to bringing in world class players were he feels is necessary.
Yeah, what was his quote, they looked like a bomb had gone off inside there? There's no way Vidal could be worse than that. That being said if we signed him I think we'd need to find another competent midfielder who could come in for him if he struggles with the knee.
Hopefully Vidal realises that for him to get things going, handing in a transfer request is the way to go. Follow the Rojo.
Yeah if we believe the media, handing in a transfer request is the only way to get a transfer to United. I remember reading somewhere that United are waiting for Vidal to do it.
I wouldn't say we'd need another one, Carrick still has to come back and can still be a very useful player, Fletcher is only 30 so could be a good player yet, and Cleverley can be decent when he gets some confidence. Another midfielder after Vidal would be overkill IMO. Vidal, Herrera as the starters, then Carrick, Fletcher and Cleverley is a good group of midfielders to have IMO, certainly would be better then anyone else in the prem.
Tancredi you sexy beast 
Feckit I'm taking his word on this.
Feckit I'm taking his word on this.
Tancredi is much more reliable(well not really reliable) than a lot of utter crap that gets posted here. He is an actual journo for starters although spouts sensationalist crap most of the times.
The problem with that analysis is that even though SAF has come out and said he always got the money he wanted you don't believe him. So unless he confirms your theory his statements are to be disregarded.
Maybe SAF felt with the bottomless pit of money that City and Chelsea had he wanted to compete without big money. That last stint of competing with them without their resources will ensure he will be remembered as the greatest manager of all time. No one comes close
Is Tancredi definitely a real journo?, i only ask because he has done some Indykaila style hinting tweets before which led me to believe he's a fraud.
I think so, he is followed by a lot of real journos like Ducker, Honigstein etc. But ofcourse he bullshits a lot, nature of tabloid sensationalist journalism these days.
I've decided to believe the Tanc.
Exactly, I think we are understandably being cautious but we will need to make a decision soon, latest gossip again is we have made a bid. Surely one of these stories will eventually be true!
I'd like us to get Blind as his versatility would be very useful especially if resting Herrera/Vidal or either are injured. I'm really pleased for Fletcher battling back from his illness but to me he is still very hit and miss and not a player to really rely on for 60 games as he is too limited. Carrick will be back end of September hopefully so we would then have a lot of depth in a midfield that has been rather shite for far too long.
As for Cleverley not a fan in the slightest and Fellaini must surely be sold or loaned out. I'm sure we will sell either of these if suitable offers come in.
So they want 45m Euros AND 2 players. Get to feck.
Just thinking if Vidal were to suffer any kind of re-injury or injuury related to lower fitness after his recovery from surgery. I suppose there are a couple of younger players or Kagawa who could do a job but there's always that worry.
I'm starting to think these stories about the club being wary due to Vidal's knee are hogwash, though, if Vermalen was our first choice to sign as a defender.
Are these 2 players that we need?
LVG has already said they are not needed. The money is not an issue for us fans, he is what we need, that is his price. Juve have all the bargaining tools at the moment until Vidal asks to leave.
They can have Anderson and Nani.
Relative to being carted off, yeah, I guess he was unscathed. But he came back too early, required injections just to be able to play at all, and he never played a full 90 minutes, including being subbed late in regulation of a 1-1 do-or-die game in the Round of 16, despite being Chile's best penalty taker (which pretty much means that he could barely walk if he was subbed off at that point).
Honestly, despite Strootman having a much more severe injury, there may be less risk with Strootman. And I say "MAY" be less risk because we really don't know the status/prognosis of Vidal's knee. If there were no World Cup this summer, Vidal doesn't come back too early, doesn't take injections, and he's probably ours now. I really believe that this uncertainty over what long-term damage he may have done is the hold up here.
I'd take that.
All good points, cheers.
That's obviously the ideal scenario but only something you can really have the luxury of doing when you have a team like Bayern or Madrid. Nobody else could buy a top quality player, after already buying Herrera and Vidal for midfield, just to have them as squad players in case one of them gets injured. Not sure what good player would be willing to come here as just a back up, especially as it's unlikely we'll rotate much without Champions league football.
Agree though, don't think there's much worry about it. It's a meniscus injury, which he had surgery on. Most of the time it's a pretty routine thing and they come back without any problems and they're fine. It'd make sense to want to see his MRI to see what the damage was like and all that, but it'd just take one look at it from our doctors to find out.
I would be happy to pay that price and exchange one of either Hernandez or Nani. Two is pushing it a bit but yes knee aside this is one of the best midfielders in the world who has a long term contract and has not yet asked to leave. Juve hold all the cards right now but I think (hope) that will change soon.
Depends on the players surely? At the end of the day Nani and Chicharito, the two players they are likely to want, have no place in our squad these days. So the only problem is us overpaying. And when it comes to that, I couldn't give a monkeys to be honest. We need a world class midfielder. If we end up spend 50-55M (pounds) in a player+cash deal for Vidal, will it be expensive? yes. Does it really matter? No. He's 26 and in his prime. Real spent 55M on 28/29 yr old crocked Kaka. I'm not advocating throwing all sense to the wind, but this sort of deal isn't something we should be baulking at.
Nani and Chicahrito are already a sunk cost.
Offer Nani + 45m euros. Done dealio
Whichever way you cut it up, Strootman might have 3 or 4 months game time and the club may feel that is enough to judge it on, along with any expert advice they receive.
As regards Vidal it might still happen - and if there's a prospect of a deal I suspect the medical side of things is being reviewed, but they don't have a lot to base an assessment on other than his clearly half fit showing at the World Cup. Had he not been such a highly rated player for a country with so few star players he probably wouldn't have been starting.
As it is, you're whole argument of the position being the same as another player is based on the huge assumption that the club will sign Strootman in January which is based on nothing but speculation anyway. Unless and until it happens it's irrelevant.
And Hargreaves as a comparison just highlights the point. The club did sign him and it was a disaster - so surely that shows exactly why the club would be very careful and try to avoid having their fingers burned again and having a big money player missing regularly.
Speaking hypothetically, if Vidal's injury is problematic and potentially serious it should be fully investigated before the club spend big money. Buying him would satisfy a lot of fans simply because he's a big name but that does the club no good if he can't have the impact that a player of that type should.
As it us I feel exactly the same about Strootman and any other potential signing because there's little room for passengers who cant contribute. It's no good being lumbered with a £50 million pound players who was rather than is world class or who'll be sat in the stands while a player of lesser quality has to fill the gap.
If we are talking Kagawa then they are worth €15m each at very least. To spend €75m on Vidal would be ridiculous.
One has to be Hernandez he said.
All fair points, just want to note that I did not describe the Vidal and Strootman situations as the same. I'm very careful in my choice of words as that's all we have to go on in this medium:
It's close and I can see how you might interpret it as "the same" but "not much different" implies both similarities and differences whereas "the same" implies only similarities.
As for our reluctance, I mentioned a few pages back that it's clear the Hargreaves saga has left the club a bit apprehensive in the market. Like a driver who has recently been in an accident experiences loads of anxiety when moving through traffic, even as a passenger in a vehicle, eventually that apprehesion needs to be overcome or you'll never be the same. Where it gets tricky for the club is that they are desperately in need of landing a big name, classy player or they risk becoming a bit irrelevant, especially considering we are not involved in Europe this season. We've gone far too long without a big, big name signing in midfield and it's starting to hurt more and more. This definitely has fans and supporters clamouring for anyone who will come to us that meets these criteria.
All that being said, where the hell was our apprehension when bidding for Vermalen? The transfer window is ridiculous.
You're missing my point entirely. As I said, in the past they have heavily under invested. I wouldn't argue otherwise. I also agree that this is a major reason why we are where we are. The underinvestment would have seen us further behind sooner but for Fergie's ability.
I'd like to see some examples if clubs outside the CL of clubs who brought in multiple world class players because I don't recall it happening often. It's difficult. Some players may be happy with it, others not.
The reality is that fans wanted rid of Moyes and we're thrilled with Van Gaal - and rightly so, but it put up the club months behind on transfer business. It's clear that the club had been working on deals at Moyes instigation for a number of players, most of which had to be shelved when Van Gaal came in.
The fact is he seems to be very particular about who he wants and he doesnt want a scattergun approach to signing players just because they're available. He's said as much. Some players may have been happy to join but maybe Van Gaal doesn't want them, as is his prerogative.
I personally believe that this is the reason why deals have not being done, because looking at facts, in the last year the Glazers have made Wayne Rooney the highest paid player in the Country and sanctioned over £120 million of transfer spending. That, to me, suggests that they recognise the need to make funds available and suggests strongly that the money referred to is there.
I prefer to consider what's happened in the last year more indicative of the future than the years before. Things have changed and anyone with half a brain can see it - money is necessary to compete.
If you believe that the Glazers penny pinching is the sole reason that we haven't seen umpteen world class players through the door this summer then fair enough. I disagree, and I'll leave it at that.
True that. Hernandez and Anderson it is then, I'd definitely take that if Vidal's knee is all well.
In a heartbeat.
me too...
Next season after we win the title with him leading the midfield it would seem like a small price to pay
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How do we add Fellaini to the deal? If he's one of the two players, does the cash portion go up to 55 million euros?
Fellaini could be a somewhat useful squad man for Juve. Give them 48m plus MF -- even if we have to cover his wages for the first year if necessary -- and we're good to go.
City signed Yaya/Aguero/Silva/Balotelli etc without CL football. Monaco signed Falcao/Rodriguez/Moutinho etc and PSG signed almost an entire squad of stars without it including beating us to the signature of Moura.
Of course LVG won't use a scattergun approach, no one is advocating that so I'm not even going to answer such a ridiculous assertion. It would hardly be scattergun approach to sign Benatia who is the best defender in Italy.
What he has said about transfers is he needs a wing specialist like Di Maria if he's going to change back to a 4-3-3 system. Di Maria happens to be available and looking for a move yet we're sitting twiddling our thumbs.
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