Arturo Vidal

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Cina said:
why the feck would you quote that? it's from 3 weeks ago.
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ye i kind of thought i was on the last page. Unfortunately after the amount of bull on Vidal, i could not tell whether i was in the present or in this case i was 3 weeks in the past. However, having just checked now i think that was 50-100 pages back. My bad!
 
Dwazza Van Hernandez said:
The Vidal situation is not much different from Strootman but it seems to be accepted that we'll be in for Kevin come January.
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Its "accepted" by people on here on the basis that he's ducth and Van Gaal seems to rate him. I'd suggest that if the club does see fit to buy him in January its because he's proven over the first half of the season that he's fit and still the player they want him to be.

The point is is isnt the same as the Vidal situation at all, because some fans seem to want us to spend big on a player who may not have proven that he's fit or that he can contribute to the expected level over a 5 year contract.

The Vidal situation may be resolved favourably and a medicla may clear it all up, but if it doesnt than I think the club are best placed to make the decision as to whether he's worth buying - from a financial as well as a football point of view. Even ignoring the money side the last thing anyone wants is for the club to sign a player who isnt what he was and either cant contribute to the extent he's expected to, or who spend swathes of the season on teh treatment table. That gets the team no further forward.
 
Not much news today? Is this actually the calm before the storm? I am fecking hoping it is.:(:annoyed:
 
RedRover said:
Its "accepted" by people on here on the basis that he's ducth and Van Gaal seems to rate him. I'd suggest that if the club does see fit to buy him in January its because he's proven over the first half of the season that he's fit and still the player they want him to be.

The point is is isnt the same as the Vidal situation at all, because some fans seem to want us to spend big on a player who may not have proven that he's fit or that he can contribute to the expected level over a 5 year contract.

The Vidal situation may be resolved favourably and a medicla may clear it all up, but if it doesnt than I think the club are best placed to make the decision as to whether he's worth buying - from a financial as well as a football point of view. Even ignoring the money side the last thing anyone wants is for the club to sign a player who isnt what he was and either cant contribute to the extent he's expected to, or who spend swathes of the season on teh treatment table. That gets the team no further forward.
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Van Gaal has spoken very highly of Stootman but he isn't going to be back until October at the earliest, so a bid in January would be every bit as risky as going for Vidal without the rumoured medical we want to put him through. Both players are recovering from knee injuries (which aren't what they used to be thanks to that Yankee doctor) and would command very high transfer fees and wages, so similar situations. Their respective recoveries involve fewer similarities of course. Anyway, Vidal played in the world cup, didn't do too badly and made it though relatively unscathed. As such, I can't fathom what the club are concerned about but as you say they undoubtedly know more than we do.

What it isn't the same as is the Hargreaves scenario, though. Different injuries and Owen's was verging on a chronic condition when we signed him, it eventually ruined him.
 
Dwazza Van Hernandez said:
I wouldn't say never takes a risk but it seems apparent that the Hargreaves episode has put some fear into us as far as transfers go.
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Hargreaves was injured quite often for Bayern before breaking his leg in 2006. Also whilst with us that expert knee doctor we sent him to in the states said he had the worst knees he'd ever seen in football!

I know Vidals injury was not a serious knee injury and his quicker than suggested return to football may have damaged it further but surely a knee expert could say yay or nay to his knee being fecked.
What are we actually waiting for exactly....to see if he can play a preseason friendly without falling to the ground in agony after 5 minutes!?
 
The way we have quickly moved in for Rojo suggests to me we haven't placed in bids for Vidal and we may not even be that interested at this point.
 
LonelyFire said:
???????? I think many would disagree with that. The fact they are bleeding us dry has meant they haven't spent a fraction of what they should have done since they arrived.

Parasites.
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"There was no interference from the Glazers. David Gill was always the conduit to buy a player.

"I just carried on. I had no issues about it at all."

Ferguson said that.

You really think if the glaziers were stingy Fergy would never have complained? come on mate.
 
ChrisNelson said:
Well to be fair it looks in the picture as though he has his eyes on a City shirt but no intention of going near it!
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Wow he must absolutely hate Man City and love United! Why wasn't he born in Salford?

Possible explanation: he didn't have time to sign every shirt. Or after the picture was taken he did actually sign it - but that wouldn't be fun for journos to report now would it?
 
The Jojo (Rojo) signing has only strengthened my belief we're not in for Vidal at all and we're only allowing the media to speculate over it to hide our true targets
 
so if he's banned don't shoot me



Manchester United have bid a figure between 45-48m€ for Vidal. Juventus have replied they want also 2 players, 1 of the two is Chicharito @tancredipalmeri
 
Yeah, he's banned. 10m down payment for Falco.
 
Who is the smug looking twat anyways? Is he just an ITK or actually a journo? Not that they are any different but still.
 
RedRover said:
You're making assumptions not based on fact. I obviously dont know what the Glzaer's think, and neither do you - but spending £30 million on a teenage defender is a statement of intent. You can talk about sell on values all you like, that only comes off if and when a player actually turns out to be any good.

The point I'm making is that whilst they clearly havent wanted to compete with the bigger clubs in terms of transfers in the past - times have changed and its patently obvious that with all the money in football, you need to spend big in order to be succesful. They dont have Fergie anymore, succeeding despite being hamstrung in the transfer market. To me the noise from the club is that they can, when required compete for the big players.

You can refer to the owners of clubs who are not in it for the profit - I assume you're referring to the likes of Chelsea and City. Whilst I have no problem with how they do things I'm happier with the way United go about things. Its more sensible long term and ensures that the club has a solid and stable future. The fact that we're so far ahead in terms of finances the future we can compete with the top clubs.

I'm no Glazer apologist, and I understand why people dont like them. At the end of the day, how much is invested in the future will show how serious they are. The signs so far are encouraging in terms of the money that has been spent on these particular players without question and hopefully others follow soon.

But here, in this instance to blame the lack of top class signings solely on the Glazers position in the past is, for me lazy and naive. The reality is that we've got a manager who has very particular ideals about what, and who he wants and has only been in the job a matter of weeks. We're also trying to rebuild from a position of relative weakness (in comparison recent seasons at least) in terms of attracting players.

Both of these are as likely as reasons why the rebuild has slowed as suggesting its down to the Glazers not allowing the club to spend.
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How on earth can you claim my opinion is based on assumption? What the Glazer's have invested isn't an assumption it's a fact, our net spend under them isn't an assumption it's fact. How you can go on to say the noise from the club makes you think we can when required compete for top players is mind boggling when there's no evidence to support it, Arsenal have outspent us this summer and Barca Vermaelen not us. If you want to deal in facts not assumptions then maybe wait until we actually compete with one of these major clubs for a world class player and get the deal done, even the diea of us competing with Madrid for the same player now is laughable. As for the Glazer's intentions the best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour, they invested nothing into buying United and taken millions out, how you can even compare them to the owners of other major clubs is ridiculous, our long term future was secured by Fergie and it would be pretty much impossible for any owner to put United in as much financial danger as the Glazers did.

Our lack of top clas signings is 100% down to them, plenty of clubs have been without CL football and signed multiple world class players so no it's not naive because they're THE major reason we aren't in the champions league as year after year of underinvestment has finally caught up with us to the point were the current state of our squad is so bad barely a single player would make it into the teams of Bayern/Barca/City/Chelsea/Madrid.

Answer me this, what do you think our rivals say about the Glazers? Do you think the fans of Chelsea/City/Liverpool etc wish they'd go away like Fergie? I'd wager almost every single one of them hopes the Glazers stay around as long as possible.
 
Is he Manchester ?
 
goin4glory said:
How on earth can you claim my opinion is based on assumption? What the Glazer's have invested isn't an assumption it's a fact, our net spend under them isn't an assumption it's fact. How you can go on to say the noise from the club makes you think we can when required compete for top players is mind boggling when there's no evidence to support it, Arsenal have outspent us this summer and Barca Vermaelen not us. If you want to deal in facts not assumptions then maybe wait until we actually compete with one of these major clubs for a world class player and get the deal done, even the diea of us competing with Madrid for the same player now is laughable. As for the Glazer's intentions the best indicator of future behaviour is past behaviour, they invested nothing into buying United and taken millions out, how you can even compare them to the owners of other major clubs is ridiculous, our long term future was secured by Fergie and it would be pretty much impossible for any owner to put United in as much financial danger as the Glazers did.

Our lack of top clas signings is 100% down to them, plenty of clubs have been without CL football and signed multiple world class players so no it's not naive because they're THE major reason we aren't in the champions league as year after year of underinvestment has finally caught up with us to the point were the current state of our squad is so bad barely a single player would make it into the teams of Bayern/Barca/City/Chelsea/Madrid.

Answer me this, what do you think our rivals say about the Glazers? Do you think the fans of Chelsea/City/Liverpool etc wish they'd go away like Fergie? I'd wager almost every single one of them hopes the Glazers stay around as long as possible.
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But for most of that period we can't on winning. Yes that was 100% due to SAF but we will never know if he didn't spend because the money wasn't there or because he thought he could win without spending.
 
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